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same seat on the bus - new tour rule?

In an email we got recently RS wrote

Tours will be smaller than usual. That means each person (or couple) gets their own row of seats on the bus. And we will not be rotating seats but keeping our same seat day after day.

Why do you think they're doing this? One thing I've enjoyed on the tour is a chance both to talk to the other folks on the tour (although to be honest many are just resting on the bus instead of chatting) as well as a chance to get a different view.

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Covid. Cleaning, Makes sense and is perfectly reasonable. Keeping people safe and making them feel safe. Air circulates through the bus but folks will feel safer with 'their' surfaces being only touched by them. Every little bit helps.

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1530 posts

Just saw the email. All the new guidelines look good, and make me feel more assured about going on the tour.

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3652 posts

I imagine assigned seats will allow for easier contact tracing should someone come down with Covid and reduce the number of people identified as contacts.

Touring will not be same this year, but that doesn’t mean it can’t still be a great experience!!

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7820 posts

Draw lots?

Alphabetical?

whim of the guide?

Order one signed up ?

I suspect the 'no grumps' policy will be quoted more often than in the past

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1366 posts

Not rotating seats makes no sense to me! Members will mingle during meeting times and at meals and at points of interest. If someone tests positive everyone is a contact.
As far as cleaning, hard surfaces can be wiped down easily and quickly. Do you wipe down restaurant chairs before using?
Hand washing and keeping your hands away from your face along with masks, vaccines, and testing is enough in my opinion.

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I respect that people will have different thoughts on this, but in the end whether you enjoy the tour will not depend on whether you like or agree with the thinking on all policies. It will depend on your willingness to embrace those policies with a cheerful disposition and move onto experiencing the joy of travel.

I don’t mind where I sit on the bus, I’m just thrilled at the thought of traveling again with RS tours.

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1059 posts

Ditto what Carol said.

I did a Odysseys Unlimited tour in October with similar Covid adjustments. I have no complaints and look forward to my late April RS tour.

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347 posts

One thing we discovered while spending hours on the bus during our lengthy RS tours was that we could hear the guide's comments and directions better in some seats than others. I understand the purpose for the new policy but I would hate to be relegated to the worst audio location.

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I’m with Carol now retired on this one. My only problem right now is that my Covid booster was October 8 and we will be entering Italy 6 mos and 3 days after that. We might have to cancel our tours because of this ridiculous rule that starts February 1.

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I have to say I’m a little nervous about this rule as well. Like many other people I get carsick if I’m in the back all the time. I’d hate to think I’m going to spend my entire vacation in the back of the bus. I suck it up taking my turn, but I’d hate to be stuck in that spot the entire time. You also don’t have as much contact with the guide and all the side information that gets discussed.

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They have sent you the rules, they did this for a reason. Not so that you can tell them how the rules should apply to you or why you don’t like it but so that you can decide if you could live with it.

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I have no problem with any of the new protocols. We just returned from our 3-week December trip (independent) in Spain, Portugal and Bordeaux. Each country has a differing set of requirements for entry, exit and public health.

Just go with the flow and enjoy the traveling, leave the details to the tour professionals. We've been on nearly a dozen Rick Steve tours and the guides are experts at making sure we have a great time. We just show up and have fun. I can't wait to go on our RS tours this year!

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If I understand correctly, even in the ‘before times’, the buses were only half full, and now, with fewer people, there will be even more room. Therefore, I doubt very much that anyone will have to sit in the very back or otherwise be too far from the tour action.

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On our last RS Swiss tour, another couple joined us in the back of the bus and we had daily "happy hours" while transiting.

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I have no problems with the new rules. I am vax’d and boosted and intend to have at least one if not two more booster shots by September. I think a conversation with my local dispensing pharmacist will help the process. I don’t go anywhere without a mask so wearing one is no big deal.

I am a little worried about an assigned bus seat because I get very car sick very easily. Seats near the front of the bus are a huge help. On the South of Italy tour I often took two Dramamine for the bus ride. Slept most of the drive but that was better than carrying a barf bag. It will be a discussion to have with the tour director.

Since I’m getting older, achier and my bucket list is getting longer, I’m just happy to be able to travel this year and planning my next trip.

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My wife also gets car sick and expresses a hope that some accommodation can be made for those who suffer from this.

I don't quite understand the concern of the person whose booster is 6 months and 3 days before their trip to Italy. We are doing back-to-back tours of Italy in September and October. Our booster will be much older than 6 months by then. What is this requirement?

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This is a generalization, but I think the kind of people who are drawn to RS tours are the kind of people willing to accommodate for others. We’ve only got 5 RS tours behind us, but I don’t remember anyone gossiping or complaining about other tour mates. There have always been those prone to carsickness on the tours and it never seems to bother anyone to allow those people who need to sit in the front. I’m so happy to travel, I’ll follow whatever rules necessary.

Also, this COVID situation is so fluid that what is in place for the early tours maybe be a moot point for later tours.

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I don't quite understand the concern of the person whose booster is 6 months and 3 days before their trip to Italy. We are doing back-to-back tours of Italy in September and October. Our booster will be much older than 6 months by then. What is this requirement?

Most credible medical professionals that I've heard/read, citing data from Israel (where they are now giving 2nd boosters out), say that protection from boosters starts dropping after 3 months, and continues to drop quickly with each passing week. CDC is, I believe, mulling 2nd boosters after 5 months, but I've heard some epidemiologists saying that's too long to wait, instead recommending 3 months, and urging no more than 4 months, until further boosters. There is no clear consensus yet on the proper interval from the policy-makers. But lots of medical professionals are saying studies show it should not be 6 months until a 2nd booster, at least not for those vulnerable or in high-risk-of-exposure roles.

My spouse is a front line medical professional. She got the vaccine among the very first recipients in the USA, before Christmas of 2020 (we joke that she got her first Pfizer dose before President Biden did, and it's true). Her 2-shot regimen was completed in mid-January 2021. She got boosted late August 2021 (I'm a little behind her, but also an early adopter). I figure she is due for her 2nd booster NOW (over 4 months since her last jab). She expects to get that soon, I'll take mine as soon as they're available.

Point being: if you're feeling bullet-proof because you got your second jab, and got boosted too...but that was 6, 8, 9 months ago...stop feeling like you are still highly protected. Yes, you still have some level of protection, you're probably not going to get badly sick, hospitalized, etc. But you're not nearly as protected as you were soon after that second shot (or first booster).

I am not a medical professional and am not giving medical advice. But...check the medical professionals, you will see the issue of "waning protection" is real. Check the Israeli studies and see what they're doing.

OK now, back to concerns about where you will sit on the bus...

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Italy’s new rule after February 1st is that the booster must be no more than 6 months old. That is my concern. I’m hoping Italy’s rule gets changed or the US starts giving 2nd boosters.

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I wonder with a smaller tour size if the tour will have a higher chance of being cancelled if say one couple cancels. I'm more concerned about putting into effort of booking flights to Europe and the tour being cancelled and having the hassle of dealing with the airlines.

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David - Thank you for the rundown on the efficacy of the boosters. However, my concern was about the rule that starts on February 1.
What is the rule?

"I’m with Carol now retired on this one. My only problem right now is that my Covid booster was October 8 and we will be entering Italy 6 mos and 3 days after that. We might have to cancel our tours because of this ridiculous rule that starts February 1."

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Jim, see Luv2Travel’s post for the answer.

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I have done a couple of RS tours and a word with the tour manager at the beginning of the tour about my tendency for travel sickness ensured I was seated neat the front of the bus both trips. Also had Dramamine on hand but don’t like taking it because it makes me very sleepy. Most tours have a break every couple of hours which helps break the journey.

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Jim, also see Ricky's previous post about the most recent rules for entering Italy. The 6-month vaccine rule is mentioned there.

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/italy/new-covid-rules-in-italy-to-summarize

As your trip isn't until fall, some things will likely change so for now just keep an eye on the situation? Heck, even if it doesn't, by that time they may be routinely issuing boosters (3rd OR 4th) along with seasonal flu shots.

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1275 posts

Draw lots?

Alphabetical?

whim of the guide?

Order one signed up ?

I suspect the 'no grumps' policy will be quoted more often than in the past

I do hope there is some randomness applied. I don't want to be the person stuck with an inadequate window for the whole journey, especially since the Turkey Tour has long bus days. Also was looking forward to a turn at the front with the best view.

I really don't want to be the pushy person trying to get a good seat, or the person feeling crappy for having the worst seat.

Oh well, it is what it is.

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Sounds like numerous of us suffer from motion sickness. on the tours I have taken I have managed to vary my seats from mid bus up. I definitely avoided the back, back seat. Although after reading Pat from san diego post about happy hour in the back maybe that would make up for the motion sickness factor...........

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Fortunately, I don't get carsick. And since Jr High School, my favorite spot IS the back of the bus. :) . I'm sure it will all work out.

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Every tour we've been on, people who have car sickness problems have spoken up to the tour guide ahead of time about seating. No reason not to discuss before the tour starts. I'd be surprised if the guide doesn't bring it up themselves at the orientation meeting as part of their routine.

Every tour we've been on, after the first couple of days, most people would sit in the same seats anyway, as a matter of routine.

Every tour we've been on, the far back seats were the most coveted, for spreading out and napping.

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First off let me say that I have willingly followed all covid restrictions and gotten both vaccinated and boosted. I also took 2 tours back to back in Europe last fall with a different tour company. Both tours had abnormally small groups compared to normal sized (about 40+) with one having 22 travelers and the other 9. So lots of room to spread out on the bus. We were required to wear masks on the bus and seating left an empty row between each pair. We did practice seat rotation.

I do not see the efficacy of not doing seat rotation. You're on a tour with a group spending lots of time together often with much closer proximity than sitting on the bus. Are they also going to ban travelers eating together at the same table? Will they always be practicing social distancing from each other outside the bus? Will the driver be wiping down the door and anything else on the bus that all travelers are likely to touch getting on/off? I could go on.

This feels like RS made a deal with the bus company so they driver didn't have to do any seat cleaning at the end of the day. I too am prone to motion sickness and luckily only had one instance where it was a problem. If I'd been stuck in a rear seat for an entire tour it would have been miserable. And that's not counting the ability to see and enjoy the passing scenery. Some seat are just better than others. Best of luck.

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Carol now retired
I love your philosophy. I’m a newbie here and I am just really looking forward to traveling later this year. I’ve never been to Europe but I have always wanted to go…trying not to sound desperate here but I believe I would be happy sitting anywhere on the bus just to get a glimpse of the scenery. I’ll get boosted several more times if that’s what it takes to travel safely to Italy. Poke me, jab me, make me stand in the aisle, I’m going to make this happen. Also, I appreciate all that RS is doing to keep travelers safe as well as adhering to new travel guidelines from the travel industry and other countries. It’s all good! I have to have faith & trust that eventually I will get to Europe. This all being said doesn’t mean that I don’t grump everytime I read about another obstacle pertaining to Covid and travel alike. Betty White is my new hero, she believed in staying positive!

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As Carol and others have posted… I have no problem with Rick’s new rules… I am just grateful for the trips to run…the last two years have been a crash course on adapt, pivot and be flexible.

Luv2Trvl… I also hope we have a 4th booster available to us…..we are on the Best of Switzerland tour staring 7/3/2022 and arriving 7/1/2022 departing 7/15/2022… learned that Switzerland most likely will change validity period of Swiss Covid Certificates from 365 days to 270 days…this would put us at 273 days since our current EU Certificate based on 3rd booster was October 15 2021. Oh well….it’s worth it to be out in the world again.

@Silas….my last RS tour in 2019 our guide used the whisper system on the bus when he was talking to us during long bus rides

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I checked with my pharmacist (who is also a family member) about a second booster. He said as of now they are not allowed in the US, but he'll continue to check on it. As he said, we can't be the only people with this problem!

I didn't remember that the rule started in February; that may be why second boosters aren't available yet. We got our boosters in October; if we were traveling to Italy in February or March, we'd be okay.

In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if the new tour rules weren't modified as time goes on.

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@Chris… on our last very long RS tours in 2018 and 2019 the guide also used the whisper system. We discovered that the reception varied by seat location. Tour members often scrambled for the better spots on the longest stretches. It didn't matter as much of course for short rides. I'm sure this varies by bus, guide and specific equipment. I have super hearing but this will still be a consideration for me and my travel partner.

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my experience on three RS tours: many people sat in the back of the bus (including me) and tended to go to the same seats. Not a problem.

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I love the back of the bus and same seat!! We always have fun in the back

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931 posts

I have no problem with the new rules but I am one of those people that will need to be in the first 4-5 rows of the bus or I get horrible motion sickness even with meds. So I'm hoping my tour mates don't mind.

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Kim, I'm always glad there are people who choose the back of the bus! I don't get carsick much, but if I do, it's usually in the back of the bus. Middle or front for me!

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If there's a happy hour at the back of our bus I'll be right on it!

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In my experience, human nature is that once a seat is chosen, people tend to stick with it. I've seen it in classrooms and on buses. Even in dance and exercise classes, people tend to inhabit the same physical space in the venue for every session. People feel comfortable with the familiar. There are those who like the front of the bus and those who prefer the back. Hopefully, they will let you find your comfort zone and let you stay there.

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I think there will be a mixture of front of the bus and back of the bus individuals. From my experience on a RS tour, everyone was very considerate, therefore I don't feel this is going to be an issue. I believe many people will give up their front to midway seat for someone who needs it. I will happily sit in the back of the bus!

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I don't take multi-day bus tours, but I'd be a bit disappointed never to have a shot at one of the front seats. I don't know exactly why this policy is being implemented, but I think a reasonable compromise would be to assign everyone a regular seat while leaving the four front seats free (assuming seats behind the driver have a good view). Then folks who wanted an opportunity at the front could rotate into one of those four front seats once or twice during the tour. If it was decided cleaning was required, it would only involve four seats, not the whole bus.

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Maybe the tour members could help clean? That's what our church did last year - volunteers would stay after Mass and wipe down all the pews and kneelers with some great smelling disinfectant.

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As I said above, I am fine with whatever covid safety procedures RS tours decides they will use.

I suspect it's about spacing, rather than cleaning.
I did an Odysseys Unlimited tour of the SW a few months ago. We were assigned seats on the bus to allow as much space between people as possible. There were 19 of us. We did rotate daily, and this was accomplished by the tour guide putting cards with our name on them on the seat you were to use every day.

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My bet remains on contact tracing vs cleaning. I’ve been on cruise shore excursions all this last week, several of which have involved time on a bus. Everyone on the cruise is vaccinated and initially presented a negative Covid test. Masking at all times unless in own cabin, eating , or greater than 6 feet from others outside. Each time there is a bus involved, we are spaced out and a seating chart is made using cabin numbers. The purpose of this is that should anyone later test positive for Covid, it would be easy to ID those who had been close contacts (within 6 feet for extended period of time) for further testing.

As far as cleaning goes, I suggest the same method we used in the classroom last year. You arrive at your seat and wipe down your space. When it is time to leave , you wipe it down again. Deep Cleaning/Disinfecting done overnight.