Never ending claims of traffic violations with no proof

Since you are new to this site with your rant, I suggest you use the site search feature and read similar postings and especially the responses for answers to your question. This is reoccurring problem with no good solution. And it is not a scam any more than if a foreign visitor here gets a traffic ticket. All of Europe makes heavy use of traffic cameras. It is very unlikely that a third party collection agency could obtain a judgement against you in a US court. But they can ding your credit history.

I'll bite... what does "I spent over $600 for a car rental and over $12,000 in supporting the towns" prove to anyone? Who cares?Totally not relevant except that it does make me wonder what the heck you are doing. I hope at $1,000 a night you were in palaces. LOL!

Without source documentation no one has a clue if you are correct in your statute of limitation announcements.

It's up to you to abide by the laws, the rental car company does NOT look like either your mommy or your daddy and is therefore not responsible for teaching you how to obey local laws.

Your frustration about collection agencies coming after for traffic fines from mid 2017 is understandable.

As for the legitimacy of the charges, that is unknowable to anyone here.

How many charges did the rental car company hit you with as their fee for looking up and responding to a police inquiry. The fee typically mentioned is $30-$50. That is just the rental car company fee for their time to address the police query and not anything to do with the fine itself.

Read the 11th post here:
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/italy/5-traffic-fines-in-5-days-in-italy-around-800-euro-what-are-the-consequences-of-not-paying

Haha - take the train next time and you'll never have to worry about another traffic ticket.

Of course, then you'd probably forget to validate your ticket in the stamping machine and get fined for that too.

And I'm going to try that argument the next time I get a speeding ticket here in the States. "I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting the US economy and paying taxes in my lifetime and this is the thanks I get?"

Hopefully someone from Italy will come on and give you some info that can help. Maybe Dario or Roberto!

I saw the sign for a ZTL just as I passed it. I backed up and so far haven’t heard a thing. It’s been two years.

I’m missing something; 2 tickets have finally showed up. How does 2 become “never ending”?

I spent over $600 for a car rental and over $12,000 in supporting the
towns and lodging for 10 days. This guarantees that never will my
money go back to Italy.

If you will only spend money somewhere if you can break the laws without consequences, I don't think the towns will be sad if you go somewhere else. It's not like Italy has a shortage of tourists in normal times.

Nor do the car rental companies provide any info on these rules

It's not their job to teach you how to drive. They usually want to see a licence to make you are allowed to drive, and presume that you know the laws. Did you ask them about it? From a legal standpoint, getting behind the steering wheel in a car and driving away is the same as signing a document stating "Yes I have read and understood all the relevant laws and rules and accept full legal resposibility for all my actions".

which I see as a profit center for towns and looks to be a sham of my
info being given to bogus departments to cheat money out of tourists.

The rules are not there to cheat money out of tourists. The ZTL-rules e.g. are there to keep the old historic city centres free of cars that don't have to be there. To make sure they are pleasant, pedestrian friendly and worth visiting. And not just clogged up with cars.

Of course I realize that we are all adults and should be responsible
to find out what rules there may be.

Good. Did you look up the rules?

You should be happy that you were fined in Italy where the fines are pretty low and not a country were it's more expensive to break the law. Like Iceland, where a russian tourist was fined around €3,200 for ignoring the laws and driving where he wasn't allowed to drive. Or four americans that where fined €11,000 in total for a similar incident.

we only have the OP's version of what happened, in camera offenses in Italy (and in most of Europe) there is always a photo which can be supplied to the offender but it often does not come with the notice of violation but can often been seen by following a provided link.

It is really hard to not know that you went into a ZTL in Pisa. They are well signed and you have to drive through a pinch point.

Have a look at http://www.athomeintuscany.org/2011/10/15/pisa-ztl-limited-traffic-zone/ Note that is is not a https site but it quite safe.

As you scroll down you see exactly what the entrance looks like.

But those signs are only obvious if you know what European traffic-control signs look like. So many of the people who complain here seem never to have opened the "Driving in xxxxx" section of a guidebook, so they don't know anything about what type of restrictions may exist or what signs to look for.

Usually I am not all that sympathetic. But the issue here is not the fines, but the timing.

Michael, have you sent a note to the Italian consulate?

Not sure what the Italian consulate would do/could do for you. It is pretty much a local matter and collection agency is involved. Still my assumption that a collection agency purchased the bad debt for a few pennies on the Euro and just taking a run at seeing who is will to pay a little. Be careful that you don't "refresh" the debt by admitting to something or making a partial payment. I would just ignore it but watch your credit reports to make sure they do not ding you for this.

Also would like to point out that most visitors to 'Europe' are not from America but other European countries

HELLO I received and paid for one violation "driving in restricted areas" caught on camera, i paid that amount $199.00. Now apparently I had another violation for the same and simply thought it was a duplicate. NOPE. it sure enough was another 2nd violation "driving in restricted areas" from 2017 ( now 03/2021 ) $199 + $250 from a local California collection agency. Any suggestions to insist I didn't get the clarity or understanding and avoid the additional local collection fees?

better to start your own thread, new england tv.

That way the answers will be directed to you...

3 comments -----

1. Follow Nigel's advice. Hijacking a thread is generally in poor taste.
2. Read my 1/12/21, 4.30 -- most likely applies to your situation
3. Ask for proof from collection agency. Under US law they are required to provide proof of the debt.
   

The really big issue is that it is unlikely that a US collection agency would be successful with a judgement against you for the debt BUT they can report you to the credit agencies. That is not supposed to happen but it can be a big problem getting it cleaned up.

Good luck.