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Your opinion--personal item choice

After doing some basic research, I have noticed that except for a few of the discount airlines--Ryanair, Wizz, Easyjet, etc--most European airlines now limit the personal item to 40 x 30 x 15 cm. (Most US airlines allow larger ones.)

I am buying a new bag this week to use as a personal item. I have narrowed it down to two bags--both exactly the same except for size. (Same manufacturer, same model.)

The first is a backpack measuring 40 x 30 x 20 cm. It has four external cinch straps so if not packed full can be cinched down to around 15 cm. (For the non-metric folk, 5 cm is about 2 inches.)

The other backpack is 40 x 30 x 15 cm but can be expanded to 20 cm. It does weigh a bit more than its larger sibling due to the expansion feature.

The price is basically the same. Which would you buy?

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Personally I'd go with the cinch over the expandability. I've had my personal item weighed a lot more frequently than measured, so the extra weight seems like the bigger (if infrequent) risk.

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Frank II, definitely go with compressibility.

I bought one of these, and have been very satisfied: HOMIEE Ryanair Personal Item 40x20x25 Travel Bag

It measures 40 cm x 25 cm x 20 cm and weighs almost nothing when empty (specs say 1.5 lbs). It can be cinched down to about 3"-4" thick if empty.

I've been quite happy with this bag, and it has worked perfectly for the way I use it, now across a half-dozen trips on some of the world's stingiest airlines (when it comes to stated limits for the small personal item aka "SPI"). It holds a lot (when not cinched down), is comfortable, with well-padded shoulder straps, and has proved durable, and even when loaded with heavy stuff is comfortable enough to wear as a day pack for hours. It's laughably inexpensive ($30, currently discounted to $21.29).

My approach to the small-personal-item dilemma was adaptability/compressibility, since, based on my research and experience, it appeared that airlines take such an inconsistent approach to this item. Some airlines officially set seemingly impossibly small limits on it's dimensions (especially the thickness, like a laptop sleeve), but from reports it seemed that enforcement of those limits is wildly inconsistent. I had upcoming travel planned for several airlines whose published dimensional limits appeared impossible to meet.

My strategy is this: Since many airlines specify maximum dimensions but do not specify a maximum weight for the SPI, I put all the small and heavy stuff in this bag (batteries for electronic devices, powerbank, DSLR camera and lenses, gold bouillon, bricks, etc.). Larger but less dense items go in my carry-on (I use a Rick Steves rolling carry-on). I leave the SPI bag uncompressed. But I am prepared to cinch it down as much as I need to if they enforce the very-thin minimums. Fortunately, I think I've only had to do that once (sorry, not 100% sure which airline actually required that, IIRC probably Lufthansa). Every other time, the heavy little bag has sailed through, un-cinched, without anyone batting an eye.

So what do I do if I get to the gate, and they give me and the un-cinched bag full of batteries and lenses the stinkeye? I have two words of advice: Cargo Pants. (Yes, I am serious). And a jacket with big pockets. I can pull enough of the small, heavy items out of the bag and transfer them to pockets distributed on what I'm wearing, cinch the bag down, pass muster, and board the plane.

While it's not particularly comfortable to be wearing a bunch of batteries and camera lenses in pockets, remember: you probably only need to do that for a minute or two, as you pass the scrutiny of the gate staff, walk on to the plane and take your seat. Then it's usually possible to offload some/most (maybe all) of the uncomfortable little bricks from your pockets and put them back into the small personal item bag (discreetly if necessary, but IME the only scrutiny typically comes at the actual doorway when passing through the gate; not much attention is paid to the contents of passengers' pockets once they're on the plane). While this is not an ideal configuration for comfort (and can look ridiculous), I've only had to resort to this once (out of dozens of flights I've taken since adding this bag), and in that case, only had to suffer the Big Pants for a couple of minutes. Once seated, I was able to re-distribute things easily and without inconveniencing anyone (the flight was half-empty with oodles of unused space in overhead bins). If the plane and the bins had been jam-packed full, I would have had to suffer a bit, but these flights tend to be short, not ocean-spanning. YMMV, but this strategy has worked for me.

Some who have more of a fashion sense than me might balk at the look, but I'm OK with it.

Hope some of the above helps. Cheers.

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BTW, can you share a link to the bags you're considering via PM? I'm always interested in optimizing my gear for this ongoing challenge.

Thanks.

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If it were me, I'd be buying the first bag. I have the Bagsmart 28L Blast Travel Backpack (31 x 42 x 20) and when I cinch it up, it makes a big difference in the size. It's very flexible so it's easy to do. They do have an expandable version but I would never use that. My TravelPro MaxLite 5 carry on also has an expandable zipper but I don't think I've ever used it.

So for me the cinching ability of the first bag would be a big factor in its favor and the fact that it's lighter than the second bag.

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I like the Cabin Max bag in Bodo Green—I'd go with that one. 😊

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I like the Cabin Max bag in Bodo Green—I'd go with that one. 😊

That's nice. I'm going with black. Why? Black blends in better. It doesn't stand out. Black looks smaller.

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1459 posts

I'd go with the lightest bag that has the best organization for your needs.

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16349 posts

I like the compression straps on the 1st bag although for myself I'd never get it down to 2 inches, hahaha!!

I understand why you are going with black and I'd pick the tropical print, the petrol blue or the lagoon. And no, I do NOT NOT NOT need another personal item!

I did laugh at the picture of how they had it packed. Uh, no. Mine would be stuffed way more full than that!

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516 posts

Really interesting to read you say you'd pick black - to blend in. For bags I never go for the blend in option - I always pick something I can spot quickly - I'd go for the pale blue color :).

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Question (as I have yet to fly any of the budget European airlines): At the airport does someone physically measure the dimensions of your bag with a ruler/tape-measure, or does the bag just need to fit into a sizing bin/box?

I ask because here in the states my 2-lb RS "Classic" backdoor bag (21"x14"x9") if not stuffed to the gills, has fit into Spirit's "personal item" bin (18"x14"x8") with room to spare and been allowed on board. So if ex. Ryanair (15"x12"x6" SAE equiv.) uses a sizing bin vs tape-measure I'm thinking my un-stuffed Appenzell (18"x13"x6.5") ought to get by? (I temporarily "un-stuff" these bags by transfering select items to a travel jacket with large pockets)

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For bags I never go for the blend in option - I always pick something I can spot quickly - I'd go for the pale blue color :).

If you can spot it easily, so can gate agents.

To this date, and I travel a lot, with my black carry on and black personal item I've never been asked to put either one in a sizer.

I remember a few years ago flying Norwegian. I knew I was over the weight limit. The gate agents were walking around the gate choosing people to have their bags checked for both size and weight. They skipped right by me.

I've been leaning towards the first bag listed--Cabin Max 24L. It's the lightest and offers everything I like/need except internal tie down.

At the airport does someone physically measure the dimensions of your bag with a ruler/tape-measure, or does the bag just need to fit into a sizing bin/box?

They use sizing boxes.

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I agree with Frank II's rationale, though perhaps not his choice of words:

If you can spot it easily, so can gate agents.

Well, sure, the gate agents can see all the bags (unless you get the very expensive Tom Bihn Cloak of Darkness bag...). But only if they bother to look. One's goal here, I presume, is to not be noticed. Because attention leads to scrutiny, potential measurement, and trouble.

If your bags catches the eye of one of the gate dragons, you might get a compliment....followed by a weigh-in and a trip to the sizer box, which can derail your plans.

If you're trying to slip one past the goalie, then plain and ordinary, and as forgettable as possible....that's what I'd go for. Simple black, gray, or maybe cammo (if you can find a cammo color palette that mimics airport check-in counters and departure gates).

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My strategy is this: Since many airlines specify maximum dimensions but do not specify a maximum weight for the SPI,

But be sure and check! For example Air France says "In the Economy cabin, 0 to 1 hand baggage depending on the fare chosen + 1 small bag (maximum total weight: 12 kg/26.4 lb.)" https://wwws.airfrance.us/information/bagages/bagage-cabine-soute

If you have a codeshare ticket the rules that apply are those of the airline that owns the airplane. So if you book a ticket thru Delta but the metal is an Air France plane then the AF rule above applies.

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Yes, of course - one needs always to be prepared for whatever the posted rules are. The rules may not be enforced, but if they are, be ready for them.

I am going to throw a monkey wrench in to this. A few years ago, I compared some bags online and watched YouTube videos (one bag travel, green circle logo).

Look at cabin zero, 28 liter, “military” pack. Then, compare.

My concern is how well the bag fits against the back and the straps. Cabin Zero is more expensive.
Ecohub may be another alternative.

I just used a calculator. 16” X 12” x 8.”
Yikes! Tight dimensions. That eliminates a lot of bags!

Good Luck!
Perhaps, a tote pack would serve you better. I realize you lose features and have less structure.
I use an old version Patagonia tote pack. Minimal features, “saggy” floppy fabric. Works as underseat bag with packing cubes. Not cheap. ( Mine was “cheap” due to color and Ebags sale. R.I.P. Ebags.)

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I've been using a holdall/tote bag for awhile. I want to go back to a backpack.

I've taken everything I need to go in the personal item and, with the use of a ruler and graph paper, realize the size of bag I want will work just fine.

Anyway, I need to stick to the personal item size rules for the airlines.

There are plenty of bags the size I want. They just aren't being sold in the US because most US airlines allow larger bags.

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My thinking on this would be whether you imagine the expandable one being used expanded most of the time or just occasionally.

If you would be using it expanded most of the time, then get the bigger one and deal with cinching if/when needed.

I mean instead of comparing these as different sized bags, compare them as the same size bag, but one being shrinkable by design (zipper) and the other being shrinkable by discipline in conjunction with cinching.

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Good point avirosemail.

I'll only be cinching it down when I have to which is on some European, and possibly, Asian airlines. It won't be a probelm on US based airlines.

So, it will probably be kept at the larger size except when I have to cinch.

I'm going with the lighter one.

And...Amazon UK is offering 30 days of free Prime.

Posted by
1163 posts

Buy the first bag, the non-expandible model. If you don't stuff it too full, it will squish into a smaller space.

It might be fine if your carry on bag is too big empty, if you don't stuff it all the way full and if the bag squishes into the amount of space available.

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I just saw the measurements for BA personal item and also went “ugh!” My patagonia backpack I’ve been traveling with for years is 4 inches too long. So I am also on the hunt for a new “personal item” and frankly, shopping for travel bags is not my favorite thing so it’s been interesting reading the above comments. Having read reviews on the forum with a lot of love for the 35L Cotopaxi Allpa, I now have a 28L for my regular short trips back and forth to SF and really like it. I see they make a 20L mini allpa and I’m thinking that may be the deal considering that it’s a backpack but a clamshell with compartments which means I won’t need to dig thru to the bottom where everything always settles.

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In case anyone is interested, I bought the Cabin Max Metz 24L.

I like it. The only negative is that the trolley strap is very low so the bag tends to lean forward when attached to telescoping handles. I fixed this with the use of a cable keyring and larger carabiner to attach the top of the bag to the wheelies' handles.

I also wish it had internal tie down straps in the main compartment but using the external cinch straps does help.

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margie--Our sons fiancee has that bag and she uses it for everything. I am very tempted by it as well. I have the 28 like you, but this one would be nice.