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Help with trip to Amsterdam, The Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg next spring

My husband and I are contemplating a trip to The Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg next Spring (probably mid-May) 2023. We have traveled to Europe annually for the last 8 or so years in various forms - usually self-planned trips, but also a couple of cruises. Cities and countryside locations. My husband will be nearly 72 and I will be 68 when we travel; we're fairly seasoned and resilient, but hubby gets tired from too many hours standing/walking and is harder of hearing than he used to be and I have to hold back from trying to schedule too many things. Also he is 6'6" and does not fit in tiny beds, showers, or cheap airplane seats. We love art museums, boat rides, good food and drink at neighborhood bars/restaurants and are not into nightlife. I am into churches and religious art. We always do some shopping, usually for Christmas things, small art, sometimes clothes or jewelry. We are comfortable taking trains if they do not entail a lot of changing and lugging of stuff; we are also happy to rent a car for part of a journey so that a lovely day trip is not marred by a hassle getting home on public transit.

We do not have a definite time table for the trip but I'd say we're planning on 14-18 days. However, we do need to fly in and out of Amsterdam to minimize plane changes (flying out of Richmond VA) and flying on multiple smaller planes.

Here are the things we would like to see/do and a general idea of the time to spend: 4 days/5 nights in Amsterdam, mostly to visit art museums (Van Gogh, Rikjsmuseum, Stedelijk), stroll and ride canal boats, and then come home to a fairly quiet but centrally located hotel or B&B/apartment for rest before dinner at a neighborhood place. My thought is that Amsterdam would come at the end of the trip. Accommodations in Amsterdam are expensive, and using it for a base to visit other towns for another week (see 3 paragraphs below) seems less than ideal.

We would like to visit Bruges and Ghent and Antwerp in Belgium mostly to sightsee - churches, canals, etc. I figured we could land at AMS, then take a train to either Antwerp or Brussels, and explore those areas - either by train or car. If it's a hassle to get to the city center of Bruges or Ghent from train stations, for instance, then perhaps car?

We would like to drive into Luxembourg to visit the WWII museum in Diekirch and the castle in Vianden. My husband's father was part of the Battle of the Bulge which is why we wish to visit the museum in Diekirch. I'm thinking 5 days for the Belgium/Luxembourg part.

Then in the middle, we'd like to visit Delft, Utrecht, perhaps Gouda and The Hague, and definitely Dordrecht and take the water bus from there to see Kinderdjik. Possibly the Kroller-Muller Museum in Gelderland. I wonder if basing in Dordrecht with a car would be a good idea for this? (I know it's easy to get to most of these from Amsterdam, but we think Amsterdam may be too busy/noisy/expensive to stay in when we're day tripping this many places, and also the hassle factor, and we think it would be nice to base in a quieter, lovely town in another part of the country.) Maybe 6 days?

So. I hope that's enough info to give you an idea of who we are/what we're looking for.

Specifically here is my request of those of you who've traveled these areas: recommendations on when to use train and when to have a car (pretty obviously the Luxembourg part, but also middle-Netherlands? and is it going to be a hassle to pick up a car in Belgium and return it in The Netherlands?) and also in what order should we travel (Belgium/Lux 1st, middle Netherlands 2nd, Amsterdam 3rd?). Suggestions for bases in Belgium, Luxembourg, and in the middle? Are my time suggestions for each area reasonable? And finally, suggested hotels/B&Bs etc in those locations (including Amsterdam) based on your experiences.

Oh, and we're not super luxury people but we do like to be in a place where my husband fits! Thanks!

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Re: car rental: picking a car up in one country and dropping it off in another will entail paying a horrendously large drop-off fee, so you probably don’t want to do that. Re: height: Dutch people are on average a lot taller than Americans, so your husband will probably be ok on that front. Just check with whatever hotels you’re thinking about booking.

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Thanks, lnbsig! I am thinking maybe Antwerp is the place to get and return a car, or possibly pick it up in Brussels and return it in Antwerp. I think there's a drop off charge for 2 locations but not much in the same country. I appreciate your response!

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You should not pick up a car in one country and drop it off in another unless you don’t mind paying a huge drop off fee. We were quoted a 1000€ drop fee, Portugal to Spain. Crossed the border by taxi and picked up another rental car.
Your husband will fit in well as the Dutch are tall!
We spent a week in pretty Leiden, a university city, and took the train to Rotterdam and a river boat to Kinderdijk, so another option to get there. It is an amazing site with 19 windmills in their original locations. We used a friend’s apt for our stay there. Leiden is where the Pilgrims lived for ten years after fleeing England, before sailing to the New World.
We visited Delft and The Hague, a must see. Mauritshaus Museum (art museum) in The Hague is small and special . It houses the Royal Collection. “Several of Vermeer’s significant works are there.
We always rent cars outside of cities in Europe but not in The Netherlands. We used trains, easy, on time.
We also used trains from Amsterdam where we spent a wonderful week there on a different earlier trip and took many day trips by train.
We like Hotel L’ Ambassade in Amsterdam’s Central Canal Ring, a series of attached merchants’ gabled homes. It is located on the Herengracht Canal, an excellent location.
It’s been many years since we were in Belgium so I can’t help you except that we stayed in Hotel Amigo in Brussels which was very nice.
Please report back on your Battle of the Bulge trip as my father also fought there.

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We were in Belgium and Amsterdam just before Covid. Went to Brugges, day trip to Ghent and also stayed in Antwerp. Hotel Estheria in Amsterdam is beautiful and located in walking distance to attractions. Highy, highly recommend making a dinner reservation at Martines Table in Amsterdam via Eat With. A lovely couple who hosts dinner in their canal home with other international travelers. Plus excellent food-they were previous restaurant owners.

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@Suki; I know it was probably an innocent mistake, but please don’t use German words to indicate Dutch buildings or sights. The Dutch word for house is huis, not haus. So it’s Mauritshuis, not Mauritshaus. It’s a mistake I see more here on this forum, mostly in relation to the Anne Frank house/huis and I try to always correct it. Not because I like to point out other people’s mistakes, but to prevent possibly awkward situations.

Also, the Mauritshuis doesn’t house the Royal Collection. The art in the Mauritshuis is owned by the state, not by our royal family.
In May 2023, the Vermeers in the collection of the Mauritshuis will be on display in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam where they will be part of the largest Vermeer exhibit ever held; https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/whats-on/exhibitions/vermeer
Tickets for this exhibit will be in popular demand. I suggest those that want to visit to sign up for the newsletter, so you will be notified when ticket sale starts.

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@Suki, thanks for the info! I am sure that any way one gets to the windmills on the water is pretty special! I'll check out the L’ Ambassade in Amsterdam and Amigo in Brussels (which I'm still not sure if we will use as a base or not - am thinking that Antwerp might be better).

@Renee, a good friend who is a world traveler always stays at Estheria when in Amsterdam, so it's definitely on our list of possibilities! Martine's Table sounds like a wonderful opportunity, so thanks for that too!

@Dutch-traveler, what great news that the Vermeer exhibition will be at the Rijksmuseum. This will spur me to go ahead and make reservations sooner rather than later!

Thank you all for your replies.

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Hi Penny. I'm also planning a trip to "Benelux" from about April 15 for 3+ weeks. I will keep an eye on this thread and piggyback on it too, if you don't mind. (If you do, just PM me.) Thanks to Dutch traveler, I've already signed up for the Vermeer newsletter.

I will probably fly open-jaw, Brussels/Amsterdam and, like you, I haven't decided on the order yet. I just found out that King's Day in Netherlands is on April 27, so I may try to work that into my plan as well as the tulip season in Keukenhof.

I was last in Ghent and Bruges 10 years ago, stayed in Ghent which I prefer in the evenings, when the ancient buildings and bridges are floodlit. It's quieter, less touristy . . . and probably a little cheaper. I stayed at the Ibis St Baafs Kathedraal, across the street from the church. No atmosphere but good beds, shower, windows that open. I day-tripped to Bruges. From Ghent to Den Haag, I had to change trains in Antwerp.

I plan to take the train (3 hours) from Brussels to Luxemburg and back. Stay in Brussels long enough to visit a few museums, then a couple small towns as well as Antwerp.

I stayed in Den Haag at the Mercure. It was walking distance to the train station, and to the Escher museum and the Panorama Mesdag (really quite something to see). Later I went out to the Scheveningen beach and it looked much the same. I used the tram several times, including for a day trip to Delft.

For A'dam, friends stayed in Haarlem and commuted. They said it was easy, convenient and saved them lots of $$$.

Look at train schedules at bahn.com. The trains in Belgium and Netherlands will get you to most places. Even if you end up with a couple taxi rides or a private driver for a day or two, it may be less money, and definitely less hassle, than renting a car.

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https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/belgium/day-trips-from-brussels-768c7c85-75b9-4374-ad13-ae36967bc521

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/belgium/day-trips-from-brussels-besides-bruges-and-ghent

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/netherlands/day-trips-from-delft

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/netherlands/amsterdam-to-brussels-to-brugge-back-to-amsterdam-by-train

so that a lovely day trip is not marred by a hassle getting home on public transit.

Penny, my wife and I have both driven a car (business reasons) between Antwerp and Beerse, and it's not a pretty picture. It's similar to Amsterdam, single travel lanes blocked by trade vans, one-way streets with sharp medieval curves, and jammed freeways with locals re-experiencing the American postwar love of a private vehicle. OTOH, there are six to eight unreserved trains per hour between Brugge and Brussels, stopping in Antwerp, Ghent, and anyplace else you might want to go. Buying tickets can be a chore, but I hear the ticket machines work better for American credit cards today than they used to. I also drove a car into Amsterdam once, to return it after checking in, and that was a big mistake too. However, you may need a bus or 15-minute walk to get to your hotel or the "old-town", in any given city.

A car is usable out towards Kroller-Muller, but a real hindrance between The Hague and Utrecht, just to sketch out an L-shaped area. You would be crazy to rent a car for daytrips from either Amsterdam or (say), Haarlem. If you think that public transportation is for poor people and losers, you will find that citizens of the Netherlands, and Belgium have a different idea. As Rick says, travel teaches you other ways of thinking and living.

I have a different point of view from:

Accommodations in Amsterdam are expensive, and using it for a base to visit other towns for another week (see 3 paragraphs below) seems less than ideal.

I ask myself, "where do I want to wake up on multiple mornings." That tells me to sleep in Amsterdam and in Antwerp. Your opinion may differ, but make an informed decision, not something based on your daily trips to the mall in a 3-ton SUV at home.

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“ we are also happy to rent a car for part of a journey so that a lovely day trip is not marred by a hassle getting home on public transit.”

Thanks Tim for quoting this remark, I had completely missed it. The best way to guarantee that a lovely day trip is marred, is to go by rental car. I appreciate it may be difficult to imagine when you’re used to the exact opposite at home, but in Belgium and the Netherlands the car isn’t king. Cities are doing everything they can to minimize the number of cars driving into their cities. Parking on the street in central Amsterdam costs €7,50 per hour (yes, per hour!). But of course you would have to find a free space first. Several cities in Belgium have established LEZ’s (low emission zones) for which you need to register your car. Large areas of historical city centers in both Belgium and the Netherlands are pedestrianised. Public transport on the other hand is excellent in both countries. You don’t need to book in advance, just buy a ticket and get on the next train, or the one after that. Busses serve smaller towns that don’t have a railway station. None of the places you mentioned so far, would require a car to get there. So I see no reason for you to let your day trip be spoiled by traffic jams, one way streets, speed limit checks and gas prices of €1,95 per liter (yes, per liter not gallon)

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Tim and Dutch-Traveler, I appreciate your comments. However, I find Tim's suggestion that we "think that public transportation is for poor people and losers" offensive. Ditto Tim's comment about making deacons "based on your daily trips to the mall in a 3-ton SUV at home." We do not drive SUVs (I drive a manual transmission MINI) or go to the mall here in the US and are used to doing a lot of walking and taking public transit both here and in other countries. We strongly believe in using public transit and would never have a car in Amsterdam or any other large city. My comment about having a day trip marred was that if we'd spent the day walking/sightseeing, say in Brugges, and my husband who has more limited mobility has run out of steam, then having to walk for another half hour and then take two trains and a bus to get home will bring out the grumpy and the lovely day will have faded. You both skipped the first part of my sentence: "We are comfortable taking trains if they do not entail a lot of changing and lugging of stuff." So it is good to know when we can take a direct train or if a train station is near or far (more than a 20 minute walk) from the city center when we are doing these things daily for two weeks, and I appreciate that kind of information. If we have a car, it will be to get from small town to small town (say, Dordrecht to Kroller-Muller, or Ettelburg to Vianden). We will base in Amsterdam for Amsterdam sites, and possibly Antwerp for Belgium, but in Luxembourg and what I'm calling the "middle part of The Netherlands" we want to base in smaller towns.

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@Chani, thank you - this is so helpful. I appreciate your comments - and feel free to piggyback! We enjoy seeing the countryside or driving and being able to stop at a place that looks fun/interesting on a whim. But I hadn't thought about getting a taxi or driver for very limited parts of the trip. That makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the specifics of your recommendations - very helpful. I am weighing whether or not to commute to Amsterdam and just base in Haarlem for longer, but also think it might be nice to have a few days in Amsterdam for museuming and the experience and then move south for a few more days. Much to ponder! I look forward to hearing your details too!

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We would like to drive into Luxembourg to visit the WWII museum in Diekirch and the castle in Vianden. My husband's father was part of the Battle of the Bulge which is why we wish to visit the museum in Diekirch.

Do you know that all public transport (including those lovely extra long inter-town buses) in Luxembourg is completely free?

Others have highlighted the expenses of a car - that goes for Luxembourg too: very little free parking.

I go to Luxembourg often and would just mention that a car is definitely not needed to visit the museum in Diekirch (an excellent excellent museum) or the castle at Vianden.

The Dutch and the Luxembourgers are generally taller than average, and some Belgians wider so I wouldn't worry about six and a half feet on the trains, trams or buses there.

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I am glad we got that report from Nigel, because there certainly are some war monuments and battlefields that are difficult to get to without a car, or a guide with transportation. Evidently the ones on your current list are in fact easy to get to. It sometimes sounds to me like those battlefields are just green meadows today, but I haven't visited them.

There are other ways to get to Kinderdjik, including a city bus from Rotterdam. Clearly you're not going to use the national bikeway path that also goes there. There is a second windmill site, but I haven't been to that one. We found it tedious to get to Kinderdjik by car, especially since we had failed to set "Avoid Ferries" on our GPS.

I think it is important to recognize that all of these destinations, even Kinderdjik (which is relatively "small") have considerable walking involved, and sun exposure on a nice day. Even Kinderdjik poses problems for those with walking limits, because there are so many waterways that prevent taking a "short cut" between the paths. But more importantly, the only way to really see (say,) Bruges, it to walk long distances. Of course there are chances to sit outdoors, or in a cafe or restaurant. But Bruges (especially the UNESCO WHS Beguinage) is a very spread-out attraction.

One of the reasons I like Antwerp is that (depending on where you stay, for example), you can set off in a different direction every day, and see other things. Antwerp even has two rail stations, which with planning could increase your options. OTOH, once you've seen the beautiful part of Gent, you've seen it. Another thing about Antwerp is that it is ..... networked ... with trams and busses. If you are willing to do the map work, you have constant options to retreat from walking and ride somewhere else. To some extent that is also true of Amsterdam, but the trams there don't seem as dense (perhaps because of the many canals.)

Of course you need different transit passes in different countries. Brussels has its own system, but the other cities in that part of Belgium all use the same transit agency cards. EDIT: For card cash. The procedure for a day or week of unlimited rides can vary from city to city!

You may wish to look into the KMSKA art museum in Antwerp. It is a medium-sized (large end of "medium"), but world-class museum. But it's less known today because it has been closed for five years of gut renovation. It reopens in Sept, 2022. Antwerp also has a fine Contemporary art museum, several local history museums, and the tiny Meyer Van den Bergh museum that has several important pieces of art that do not travel, like their Breughels and the Antwerp-Baltimore panel paintings.

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Thanks, Nigel! So helpful. If we were to stay in Luxembourg for 3 nights in order to visit both Vianden and Diekirch, where would you suggest a base? We were thinking somewhere in the countryside, which is why we were thinking car in that area, but I'd love to hear suggestions for a base.

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Thanks, Tim - the plan for Kinderdjik has always been to go by waterbus (either from Rotterdam or Dordrecht - we were sort of favoring Dordrecht because it was recommended to us by someone who stayed there as a pretty place for a base and we love being on the water). I agree that Antwerp seems to be the best bet for a Belgian base and great to know about the museums there. And yes, we know that there's a lot of walking in the places we'll go, which is fine when there are options to stop for lunch, or a park bench, or a coffee / ice cream break etc. It's doing all that and then also walking a long way to get home that can spoil the fun. (For instance, while in Brittany for two weeks last fall, we had a car and an apartment and would drive to a small parking lot to access the G34 trail, then walk the trail a couple of hours, then stop somewhere cute for lunch, walk another couple of hours and then be able to drive back home.) But I get it thanks to everyone's input that even the more rural places should be pretty accessible by train or bus on this trip, which was not the case in Brittany. I will say that because of COVID we have tended to steer away from bus travel. My husband actually is a big bike fan and he'd probably love to do a fair amount of biking - I'm the one who is not much of a bike rider. I don't mean to make him out to be an invalid - he's quite fit, works out and bikes and runs regularly, but for some reason has real issues with standing and slower walking. Do you have suggestions for places to stay in Antwerp, either hotel or B&B/VRBO type apartment?

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Dutch_Traveler, thanks for your detailed, on the ground comments. Your post reminded me that I have a similar detailed story.

Some years ago, we made a car trip mainly in eastern Belgium, but we spent the last one night in Leuven, before returning the car at nearby BRU and flying home. St. Martin's Klooster sounded great, and they said they had parking. Like a fool, I drove right up to the door to drop our luggage. Well, then I found out I then had to back out of the one-lane street (500'). And we only got their parking because it happened to be a weekend, and they gave me a gate-card for the neighboring Hospital lot, which they only have on weekends.

On the departure day, we had to buy gas at an unattended station (to return the car "full"). That was a problem back then, because we didn't yet have a Chip and PIN card that would reliably work for that. Then, to cap off the Mighty Steel Steed experience, the Avis (or was it Hertz) place at the airport wasn't open yet, so it was an unattended return. But I was using Credit Card "insurance", and I really wanted to oversee the inspection of the car's sheet metal. We got away with it, there was no phony claim for damage.

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We have often stayed at the Hilton in Antwerp, which is probably the third most expensive hotel in town. It has a great location, and we have a weakness for the roof terrace on the overpriced Executive Room Level, where you can take your free drink from the Imperialist Lounge there. Whether it's worth the money, I can't say for you. Haven't been there in six years, however.

Warning: I have NOT SLEPT at any of the following. But the first was occasionally used by my wife's company. It looks like "reliable business" rather than "fashionable in a great location." These reviews and prices are way out of date. Anwerp, like Gent and Leuven, has ... students. So budget lodging is possible, but not reported by me.

Hotel t’Sandt 03-232-93-90 Zand 17 s/d from 180€200€weekend 150€170€ Only the TV screens are flat in this full-facility hotel, which melds three historic buildings into one harmonious whole. Some rooms have period curiosities (beams, pulley wheels, etc.) and light neocolonial touches. The cheaper “duplex”rooms have wrought-iron stairs up to the bed. WiFi per hour/day 5€10€ parking 16€ breakfast included.[© Lonely Planet Guides] : Tim 2010 inspection: modest-looking neighborhood by St. Anna pedestrian tunnel (walking distance Groenplats) but spanking new post-modern facility with private garage. Many [company name deleted] customers in roster at desk. Said back rooms are quieter.

Maison Delaneau 03-216-27-85 Karel Rogierstraat 20 d 180-500€Black floors, all-white decor and modernist slit fireplaces create a design-perfect boutique hotel experience where every room comes with an oversized rainforest shower. The basement is an exclusive 200-sq meter spa complex. White pebbles turn the garden into a work of art.[© Lonely Planet Guides] Tim 2010 inspection: Quiet street in fashionable “t’Zuid”arty neighborhood, near (closed) KMSKA museum. So chic the lobby is locked all afternoon - must give keypad combo to guests. Couldn’t enter.

Hotel Julien (Lonely Planet Pick) Korte Nieuwstraat 24, r 180-500€Very discreet boutique house-hotel exuding a tastefully understated elegance and subtle modernist style. A reception area that feels like a designer’s office leads to a library and unique dining room with faceted ceiling and long, aged wood table where breakfast (free) is served. Rooms in greys and whites have DVD players and fresh orchids, some with exposed beams or old brick-tile floors. [© Lonely Planet Guides] Tim 2010 inspection: Near Die Witte Lelie hotel and Carribean Inn restaurant. Charming manager insisted on first floor tour. Recently added adjacent building. 22 rooms, 170-290€ Spa. Breakfast 7-10AM/8-11AM weekends Ultra-stylish modern gut-renovation but warm welcome. Park at Meir or Groenplatz. Tim’s pick.

De Witte Lelie [© Lonely Planet Guides] Keizerstraat 16-18, r 245-525€ Delightful scents of fresh lillies and ground coffee welcome you into this exclusive house-hotel combining a trio of renovated 16th century mansions and a central courtyard. The 11 luxurious rooms are predominantly white ... Breakfast (25€ is taken in a big communal kitchen. WiFi and (limited) minibar are free.[© Lonely Planet Guides] Tim 2010 inspection: Large public rooms look over-designed with multiple modern styles. Andrew Harper’s recommendation. Didn’t ring doorbell or enter.

Soul Suites NY Times 2011 Marnixplaats 14, soulsuites.com (KMKSA Art Museum/Sud area.) 150€/night. 70sq. meters.
Maatelote Hotel Haarstraat 11, 90-150€/night. Contemporary renovation of 16th Century bldg near harbor.

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Just a few random thoughts:

When I started reading your post my first thought was to make sure you are aware of the Vermeer exhibition and I see you now are!

Go here to sign up for a newsletter to know when tickets are going on sale. I am so excited about this I've planned my travel next spring to include this.

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/whats-on/exhibitions/vermeer

If both of you have smart phones you can download the Rijksmuseum app. When I did a special exhibit there in 2019 on "All the Rembrandt's" they had the special exhibit audioguide on the app which was really handy. Also download the Mauritshuis Museum app as it has a lot of good information. You can buy entrance tickets on both of the apps.

If you want to do the art museums in Bruges plan to be there on a day other than Monday as they are all closed. (Recent experience on a terribly mismanaged tour with Road Scholar).

In Ghent you'll want to see the Adoration of the Mystic Lamb by Van Eyck at Sint Baaf's Cathedral. Get the Augmented Reality ticket. After you walk past the ticket windows, take the short 1/2 flight down to the crypt where you'll do the Augmented Reality program (some people on our tour missed this). These are glasses that you can see thru so they are not as disorienting to me as the Virtual reality glasses. After you circle thru the crypt you'll then go upstairs (very nice new bathrooms on the way) to see the amazing Altarpiece. I found binoculars very handy for this art work. There are so many tiny details and since it's in a protective glass case it's hard to get close enough for me to see them with my bifocals, hahaha!!

I did the Kroller-Mueller in May and I know many are crazy about this collection. The outdoor sculpture garden is very nice and they do have a lot of Van Goghs but to me the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam has a better collection. The museum in Amsterdam IS way more crowded than this K-M. If you are in the neighborhood then of course go by. I am not an art historian....just an average museum lover.

Since you want to see a lot of museums...I'd start making a spreadsheet with closure days for each one so you can shift your days around as necessary.

IF you can go earlier, I'd go to Keukenhof Gardens. They close around mid-May but some years they blooms are pretty gone by that time of year. I'd aim for late April if you have some flexible time and if this site is of interest to you.

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Thanks, Pam! I did sign up for the newsletter and we will definitely use the app for the Rijksmuseum. And yes, mapping out the closures is key. I think I've got that down - curious about the augmented reality glasses thing though. I'll check it out! And good to have your opinion on where to see Van Goghs. We've seen many in a variety of locations (from Oslo to Paris among others) and I suspect we'll only want to do one. I did consider an April trip and it seemed like so many places were already booked, prices pretty high, and while I think it would be lovely on balance I think May is probably a better option. But we haven't booked anything yet and continue to explore and consider! Thanks for chiming in!

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Thanks, roubrat, for the info on getting to city centers. Very helpful.

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I thought the Augmented Reality was very cool. I actually did it twice, lol once on my own before my tour started and then again with the tour group. The picture on the Sint Baaf's site is more dramatic looking than I felt when I had them on, lol. I liked that you can see thru them to the floor and walls as well as see a few things in the crypt that are actually real not "augmented". I did a Virtual Reality program at the Archeological Crypt in Paris a week or so before and that one bothered me, not the least of which was related to my fear of heights!

Good that you've weighed the pros and cons of coming earlier. It sounds like you've done your research and are aware of what is available. The time around Easter is really busy in Europe with school holidays, etc.

At the K-M Museum, I felt like there was really only one painting I'd not seen a similar one of elsewhere....and that was "Four Sunflowers Gone to Seed" which was really interesting.

https://krollermuller.nl/en/page/7786

What a fun trip you will have!

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Thanks, roubrat, for the info on getting to city centers. Very helpful.

You're welcome! I'm going to most of the places you mentioned next month and will report back on how it works out.

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Roubat, I look forward to hearing about your trip! Where are your bases?

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Wow, Pam, it sounds so interesting. I can't really do VR - it messes with my head too much and sometimes brings on vertigo. Thanks for the report! I'm pretty sure I'll be doing this one on my own, though, while hubby finds a spot to enjoy a beer in the shade, as it sounds like an hour of advanced church nerdery. (I'm a priest, so these things fascinate me.)

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Great itinerary, roubat. I'll definitely base in Amsterdam, but still pondering Belgium and Luxembourg and torn between Dordrecht and Delft for the 2nd Netherlands base. What made you decide on Delft for that base?

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When we land in AMS we're going to go right to Delft for 3 nights. I like the idea of staying in a small picturesque place at first to get acclimatized. We'll daytrip to The Hague and Gouda from there.

For the Belgium portion a lot of people advised that Ghent is a better base than Bruges (and it probably is) because it's more central for day trips, but I was set on staying in Bruges. I'll daytrip to Ghent from there.

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Maatelote Hotel Haarstraat 11, 90-150€/night. Contemporary renovation of 16th Century bldg near harbor.

I am booked to stay at Hotel Matelote next month :-)

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"as it sounds like an hour of advanced church nerdery. (I'm a priest, so these things fascinate me.)"

OMG....Church Nerdery! That made me laugh out loud. Yes, you will be in love.

WHEN you are ready to go down the rabbit hole of studying this altarpiece beforehand, here is a good website that talks about the restoration which is now complete.

http://closertovaneyck.kikirpa.be/ghentaltarpiece/#home/sub=videos

And another one discussing the detail in the painting. I was mesmerized by the flowers as they are individual and accurate to the area.

https://artincontext.org/ghent-altarpiece/

Plus there are plenty of places in the nearby area for DH to wait and sample Belgium beer. Nigel's chocolate shop recommendation is right on the square outside the cathedral. I'm pretty sure I'm remembering that he likes Chocolaterie Van Hoorebeke that show on the corner, lol.

https://goo.gl/maps/zEZNZTBWa9LhbFtN8

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Whoa, Pam, beer central right next to chocolate right next to cathedral? I'm in love already. What a day I will have! Thanks for the links to prepare for the painting.

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We enjoyed our visit to lovely Delft during a multi-day stay in Den Haag. But I would comment that Delft is physically (OPINON) more like a Land, of Disneyland (in relation to Den Haag) than it is like Brugge, an exceptionally large and distinguished medieval old-town, surrounded by undistinguished postwar city development.

This is perhaps a bit too cruel, but I'm oversimplifying for the purpose of a short post.

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Thanks, Tim. There are a lot of choices to make! I appreciate all the input from everyone!