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Why did I invite my sister? :-)

Hello, All. First, let me say that my sister is my very best friend (excluding my husband, of course). Last fall, I started planning a return trip to Italy for my husband and me. We had been to Venice, Florence, and Rome and wanted to see Umbria, Tuscany, and Cinque Terre this May. The more I read about Tuscany, the more I thought of my sister and couldn't imagine going without her, too. Good food. Good wine. Beautiful countryside. To my surprise she said she'd love to join my husband and me if we could wait until next May to do the trip. That was okay and I was thrilled because she has never been to Europe and it would give my husband and me the chance to show off Italy, a country we love. So I initially had this beautiful itinerary for my husband and me ---
Cinque Terre/Vernazza - 3 nights
Lucca - 2 nights
Pick up rental car in Pisa and drive to agriturismo in either San Gimignano or Siena. Stay 3 nights.
Pienza - 2-3 nights
Assisi - 2-3 nights
Orvieto - maybe a night or two, but drop off car and head to Rome
Rome - 3 or 4 nights
That's a lovely schedule, isn't it? Well, my sister told me yesterday that she is only comfortable being away from home and work for 10-11 days total. I knew that about her so I can't complain. And it's totally worth it to me for her to go at all. (By the way, my husband thinks the world of her as well so he's on board with her going and us tweaking our plans.) So, my husband and I agreed that she must see Venice and Rome. I'm thinking we'll fly into Venice and out of Rome, in fact. I believe we'll need 3 nights in Venice to recover from jet lag as much as anything. And 3 nights in Rome for what we plan to do. That leaves 4-5 nights for Tuscany. I'm eager to stay at one or two agriturismos in the area -- outside San Gimignano, or Siena, or Pienza. My sister and husband are all for that! So the revised itinerary would look like --
Venice - 3 nights
Tuscan countryside - 4-5 nights
Rome - 3 nights
Sister heads home
Husband and I have another week in Italy

That leads me to my questions --
1. Would we get a good feel for an area and the agriturismo itself if we only stayed for 2-3 nights? We don't want to miss an experience and treat an agriturismo like a Holiday Inn Express!
2. My husband, sister, and I will have turned in the rental car in Orvieto before heading to Rome. If he and I want to see Assisi, Spello, Spoleto, etc. we'll need to rent a car...again. I figure we'll end up with the car we just dropped off three days prior! Is this less of a hassle/pain that I feel like it's going to be? It kind of seems ridiculous to rent a car twice in a week or so.

3. If we get the rental car, we'll stay in the Assisi area for 3 nights and tour around. After that, we'd head to Lucca to stay for two nights. Is the drive from Assisi to Lucca reasonable?

4. Another thought -- We could skip the extra rental car hassle if my husband and I omit the Assisi area and, instead, take the train from Rome to Pisa/Lucca directly. We would wrap up our trip with two nights in Lucca and 3 in CT. That sounds more sane, right? The trade off would be missing Assisi and the surrounding area. Would that area, however, (dare I say) 'pale' in comparison to the Tuscan trip we just completed a few days before with my sister?
5. It's killing me not to take my sister to CT knowing that she, most likely, will never go back to Italy/Europe. (She is not a traveler.) She does love the sea!n Is 2-3 nights in Vernazza worth 'begging' my sister to try and stay an additional 3 nights in Italy? :-) Then our schedule would look like this --
Venice - 3 nights
CT - 2-3 nights
San Gimignano or Siena agriturismo - 3 nights
Pienza - 3 nights
Rome - 3 nights

And now my short story comes to an end. :-) I'm sure I've either overthought all of this or I haven't thought of something obvious. I sincerely appreciate your input. Thanks!

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LOL Oh dear.
My only thought is this... when we stayed in an agriturismo (several years ago, can't remember the name), in Tuscany, they only allowed booking for full weeks -- not for just a few days. So, if you have one in mind, just make sure you can do that.

Have fun planning!

Cheers,
Vivian

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We are in a similar situation, except my sister is now married and neither of them have been to Europe. We are still in the planning stages, but for locations that she wants to visit where my husband and I have already been, we are visiting a different location that we have wanted to go. I.e., we have beeen to Venice three times and don't have any interest in going again so we are going to explore the Piedmont area while they are in Venice. Then we will all meet up in Florence.

It's your vacation too and if you're fine playing tour guide then that's fine, but I think it's also reasonable for her to not expect that you spend your money and vacation time to chaperone her.

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752 posts

Why do you have to change your plans for your Sis? When it's time for her to go home, have all her tickets in order and get her to the airport!

That's what Mom did for one of her sisters. Mom and a cousin wanted to stay 6 weeks in Italy. But the Sis wanted to return Early, so they reserved their flights and hotels so the Sis could return early and the two of them would continue!

Knowing there was no way they could accommodate her to see every place they wanted to go, they arranged for her to leave when she wanted to leave. They jumped No hoops for her and of course remained best of friends.

Posted by
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I suffer from the same malady of wanting to show off Italy to my friends; my solution is to travel alone.

I agree that you should see the places you want to see, and your sister can leave when she has to.

As for the car, you could visit Assisi, Spello, and other towns in Umbria by train or bus. Or rent a car twice. Not sure why you think you will get the same car, though.

Sounds like your sister is more interested in spending time with you and your husband than in traveling to Italy, so whatever you show her will be satisfying. Regarding begging her to extend her time away, will that be so stressful for her that she won't enjoy the last few days?

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I have run into the same problem with my sister,daughter and daughter-in-law. Not on the same trip.

Travel Venice 3 nights, Tuscany 3 nights, stay in Lucca 3-4 nights. See Volterra, San Gimignano, Montecatini, all very close. do a day trip to Montireggioni and Castellina. Spend 2 nights in CT or do it as a day trip from Lucca then Rome with her remaining nights. If you leave on a Thursday evening, she will use less vacation days.
You could also do your planned Tuscany, an have her fly back out of Pisa.

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I must say, reading this thread & the Girl Scouts to Venice thread has made me decide there are worse things than not traveling abroad this summer.....:)

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Some of your responses made me chuckle. :-) My sister is great fun and does not want to impose on our plans. She's totally okay flying back by herself. It's me who's struggling. I really want her to see Cinque Terre as part of our tour. We tend to like a lot of the same things and those pictures of Vernazza just make my heart flutter. I think she'd love it and the trip would have a lot of variety with Venice, CT, Tuscan countryside, and Rome. Still, it's a ways from Venice to CT just for a couple of nights, right? Plus Tuscany would be short changed and I think that's how this all got started!

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4898 posts

Sandra from Illinois seems, to me at least, to have the best solution. Everybody wins, nobody loses, and you can still keep peace in the family.

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Hello, All. I've been tossing around different scenarios and here's what I think could work. It's agreeable to my husband and sister but I still want to make sure it's sane. How does this itinerary look?

Husband, sister, and me - 10 nights together

May 9th – Departure Day
Day 1 / Night 1 - Venice
Day 2 / Night 2 - Venice
Day 3 / Night 3 - Venice
Day 4 / Night 4 – Fast train to Florence (2 hours). Have lunch at the Piazza della Signoria and stroll (not interested in staying on this trip). Pick up Hertz rental car and drive the SR 222 through Chianti wine region to Siena farmhouse OR train to Siena and pick up car there. This is a Sunday. / Stay in an agiturismo outside of Siena.
Day 5 / Night 5 - Volterra, San Gimignano, Siena / Siena
Day 6 / Night 6 – Visit Val D’Orcia area (Pienza, Montalcino, Montepulciano) / Siena
Day 7 / Night 7 – Visit Arezzo…or Chianti region…or ... / Siena
Day 8 / Night 8 – Drive to Orvieto and drop off car; Check out the town, train to Rome in the late afternoon. Taxi to Air BnB in Piazza Navona. Enjoy our neighborhood (Pantheon, Trevi Fountain, Piazza Campo de’ Fiori, etc.) / Stay in Rome.
Day 9 /Night 9 – Vatican, St. Peter’s Basilica, and the Colosseum. / Rome
Day 10 / Night 10 – Borghese Gardens and Gallery, etc. / Rome
Day 11 (Sun. 20th) – Sister flies home.

My husband and I will need to backtrack a bit but I think it will be okay and we'll see what we wanted to see with the 17 days we'll have. Please see below and let me know what you think.

Day 11 (Sun. 20th) / Night 11 – Train to Spoleto; Spend 2-4 hours in the town then pick up Hertz rental car to head to Assisi (37 minutes) to check into Agriturismo. See Assisi in the late afternoon and/or evening. / Assisi
Day 12 / Night 12 – Spello, Bevagna, Montefalco, and Gubbio (time permitting) / Assisi
Day 13 / Night 13 – Assisi to Lucca by car (2 hr. 46 min.) or train (4 hours). Enjoy Lucca in the evening. / Lucca
Day 14 / Night 14 – Lucca to CT, stopping in Pisa for a couple of hours. / Vernazza
Day 15 / Night 15 – Hike and explore / Vernazza
Day 16 (Fri. 25th) – In the (late) afternoon, train to Milan to stay near the airport
Night 16 – Milan
Day 17 (Sat. 26th) – Head home

Thanks, everyone!

Posted by
27232 posts

The time in Assisi looks rather short. You could spend hours just walking around there, and it's hilly, which tends to slow one down.

Personally, I'd give up Pisa to have more time in Assisi and/or Lucca. And I've always wanted to see Gubbio but haven't made it happen yet. Otherwise, I can't find anything to quibble with. I think you'll really enjoy the mix of major cities and smaller towns.

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5697 posts

If you're turning the car in at Hertz Orvieto, be aware that street parking is scarce, and the cars are really left at the gas station across the street. And our GPS wouldn't take the street address as given by Hertz.

Posted by
4105 posts

On day 13, Assisi-Lucca. Stop in Pisa on the way so you don't have to backtrack.

Otherwise it looks good.

Posted by
771 posts

I second what Laura B said as far as dropping off the car in Orvieto, and I believe they are not open on Sundays, if that is applicable.

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1949 posts

Not specifically addressing the sister issue here, but all 3 trips to Italy and Europe have been only with my wife. We have toyed with the idea of traveling with another couple or family members, but just haven't thought it a good idea. My wife is opinionated about how we conduct the rest of our lives, but very much defers to me when trips are planned, which I love to do. I like to have a plan but build as much spontaneous time in as possible to do...nothing if that's the thing to do at the time. Other folks might not understand that.

I think it's because I'm as independent as a lot of posters on this board are, including people like Zoe & Chani, who travel solo for the most part and who I really respect. And they'll probably agree with my philosophy in that if I plan the travel itinerary and something goes awry--as it does at least once a trip--if it's only me (or me with my wife) I can't be blamed by others for the screw-up. Also, I'm hesitant about traveling with people who haven't been to Europe much and want to do fly-by's of all the attractions. That would be a waste of my time and it's not why I'm there.

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I think Day 8 looks a little packed -- it's fine but I don't think you'll get to see much of Rome that evening by the time you've driven to Orvieto, turned in the car, seen Orvieto, and trained down to Rome.

Also to me Day 6 could be Day 6 and Day 7 - i.e. I think you'd want a couple of days to see just the area listed on Day 6. It takes some time to get between towns, find the parking lot, walk into town from the parking lot, get oriented etc.

Come to think of it, I think you have too many little towns packed in every one of your days. I found we did better visiting ONE a day (sometimes maybe two). If not you're just going to be zipping in and out of every one. You don't need to see them ALL but you do need to relax and enjoy the time where you are - do a little more soaking in and a little less driving, parking, and redeparting. Just my two cents!

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Many thanks to each of you. Kim, I appreciate the 'parking outside of hill towns' reality check. And I agree that the Umbria portion in leg two of the trip is tight. I'll have a couple of other questions to post about that. Thanks, again!

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If I may ask my following up questions here....

You can see that leg one of the trip - the one with my husband and sister - is rather simple:
Venice - 3 nights
Tuscan countryside north of Siena - 4 nights
Rome - 3 nights

My sister said she could possibly stay one additional night and, if she can, I'm wondering about a couple of options.
(1) Dare we add Pisa and Lucca to the mix? After lunch in Florence we could train to Pisa, then to Lucca to stay one night. Go to Siena agriturismo from there. Or is that too much travel and/or trouble after just having arrived in Florence from Venice on that same day? (We are not seeing Florence on this trip.)
(2) Stay in two different agriturismos - one in Siena area for 3 nights and one outside of Pienza for 2 nights. I keep reading that the Val D'Orcia is stunning and has the most incredible sunsets but Siena is best for day trips. Also, the Siena agriturismo is half the size of the one in Pienza so that stay would have a different feel, I believe, which could be fun.
Ok - and while I'm at it, I guess I should revisit whether three nights in Venice is one too many if time is precious and we aren't going to do anything other than stroll around. (My husband and I just want my sister to experience Venice. No major sites.)

For leg two of the trip (just my husband and I), I'm wondering if we should do either Umbria (Todi, Spoleto, Assisi, Bevagna, Spello, Gubbio...) or Pisa/Lucca/CT for the 6-7 remaining days we'll have before returning home.....Or can we do both areas as my last draft itinerary suggested? The fact that we could fly non stop from Rome back to ATL is making me revisit our schedule and think twice about going as far as Milan, via CT. It's tough not to want to do it all as so many have said before me.

Thanks, again, for your help! I'm all but done with this part of the planning!

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Ok - and while I'm at it, I guess I should revisit whether three nights in Venice is one too many if time is precious and we aren't going to do anything other than stroll around. (My husband and I just want my sister to experience Venice. No major sites.)

There is never enough time in Venice to just stroll. We go back over-and-over. Also, this is the place you will recover from jetlag. I would recommend not short-changing Venice in exchange for adding another place. Pisa is skippable.