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Talk me off a panic ledge please?

I had my booster early October. I will be in Italy late March-mid April, so the last part of my trip will be outside the 6 month window they're apparently requiring and to my knowledge, they aren't offering additional boosters in the US, and even if they do next year, it probably won't be before 6 months since the last one, so if this doesn't change, I'll be ineligible to travel or get inside museums etc. during the last week of my trip. I can't believe this is happening again. It took so much nerve for me to book my first trip, completely on my own, after an ugly, drawn out divorce, and it got canceled because of Covid and I lost a good bit of money. I finally got up the nerve to try again, and now this. I'm sorry to be such a grump this morning, but I'm not sure what I'll do it this trip doesn't happen because I'm a few days outside a booster window.

For now I'm trying not to panic. Who knows what will happen between now and March. My AirBnB reservations are supposed to be fully refundable and my plane ticket is supposed to be changeable, but things like this, that are easy for most people, are so out of my comfort zone already and if this goes wrong, I'm afraid I'll just give up once and for all and keep my traveling to inside the US.

I'd consider moving my trip forward one week, but I feel almost paralyzed because I'm wondering what will come next. Again, sorry for the whining. This forum really is so helpful and I do appreciate all the wonderful advice I've received so far.

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I would try not to think about this issue at the moment. The six-month limit for boosters is a guess based on the limited information available now. It could get changed to eight months, twelve months, or even four months, as more data becomes available. The Israelis have started giving second boosters (fourth doses) to some of their vulnerable population. They're on the leading edge of the vaccination campaign. I expect the US to follow, though I don't know what our timing will be.

I delayed my booster until early November since I hope to spend the entire summer and early fall in Europe and was trying to give myself a full year post-booster. My position is similar to yours and I'm truly not concerned about being admitted to European countries because of the timing of my booster. I am uncertain about how the pandemic will play out in 2022 and whether/where/when travel will be practical at all. We can only do the best we can; the virus has a lot of control in this situation.

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I have a trip to Europe planned for March. I do not plan to even start thanking about what I need to do until February. Because what the rules are today will not be the conditions in March. That’s the only guarantee we can make

trying to predict what’s going to happen with Covid regulations is like the process of trying to pin jello to a wall

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There is no reason to panic. At the very least you could just get a covid test to enter the establishments you want after the 6 month period is over or you couple probably get a booster there. But really, it’s way too far off for us to be making guesses of what the definition of “fully vaccinated” will be by then. I know it’s super hard, but traveling in the world of covid means having to be flexible and be okay with last minute plans.

Edit: so I just read the post about the green pass vs the super green pass and it seems you have to be vaccinated to enter most places and not just have a negative covid test. I would still not panic though. Much can change in the months between now and your trip

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Don’t panic. It will work out. We have a trip booked for Sicily for late April. My husband was boosted in September, me in November. I am not at all worried our trip will not happen. We travelled to Croatia in September for 5 weeks. Once we landed, we had a great time, were aware of covid, but it did not dominate our trip. I am a glass half-full person, and that will be a glass of Italian wine come April.

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You received good advice so far. I would also add - depending on the rules of the country now or in the future - it may be possible to simply get tested every couple days for that last week, to circumvent the requirements for a booster. As others have said, it's too soon to cancel. As long as most things are refundable you will be in good shape.

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It's probably best not to listen much to the media hype as it appears Omicron is so very different. The booster will likely not help very much anyway as fully vaccinated and boosted folks are getting this variant. The beds in our hospitals are being occupied mostly by those with the flu in addition to COVID people. Then, some people are being forced to stay in the hospital because extended care/nursing homes don't have the staff to take care of them and aren't accepting any new patients. Also, my resource (a senior physician at the hospital) said that the problem is because so many staff, esp nurses are leaving. He said that insurance companies are hiring nurses for over $100 an hour (although their benefits aren't great.) He said they have enough beds but not enough workers.

I would hold onto your booking. It is likely that herd immunity will really start taking over. People all over the world are just sick of the shutdowns. You will likely have a great time in Italy this spring. I have an American friend there now so will report back when she returns next week.

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Getting a booster in Italy should not be difficult. Here's the experience of an ex-pat from 2 weeks ago posted on an email network I read (ASL is the Italian health system):
"I’m not Italian or a resident and don’t have a Tessera Sanitaria (health system membership).
I was not able to fill in the online booking form.
I went to the ASL in a nearby town a couple of weeks ago, just walked in, no appointment.
I explained my first two Pfizer vaccinations were done in Hong Kong and gave them that certificate.
I filled in a form there and then, gave them my Codice Fiscale. Along with my Hong Kong ID card, and my Irish passport.
They then gave me the Moderna booster jab immediately."

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I'd have thought that there's a difference between getting a valid 3rd vaccine and turning up with 3 on the card and asking for a fourth when that hasn't been approved yet

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I am no stranger to travel anxiety, but I have finally learned to apply to myself the same technique that I advise others: the “3-day rule” (or whatever interval is appropriate to the situation.) Take a deep breath, and step back. Engage in some activities you enjoy and give yourself a break from the worry. There is nothing you need to do about this right at this moment.

Then, when you are ready, take a look at the advice here and elsewhere, and consider your options. It is almost certain that if 6-month interval for boosters becomes widely accepted, then you will be able to get your 4th booster before your trip. And even if it does not become the “norm” in the US, you should be able to get one based on your individual circumstances.

But if you feel you cannot count on that, then consider changing the dates of your trip, moving it back into March. (You said your flight dates can be changed, along with your AirBnB reservations). As I recall, you were originally thinking of going in March anyway (mainly for crowd avoidance)—-and then were persuaded to move it into April for better weather. But no one really knows what next spring will bring; the weather is so variable these days that past weather patterns are not all that helpful in predicting the future.

So if it would reduce your anxiety about the booster requirement, changing the dates could be a positive step to relieve that anxiety. I am about to make the third change in our March trip plans (for a different reason) and I feel so much better about the trip after I decided that. But I am still not going to make the change right away—-I will wait a week and then see how we feel about it. (And then wait another month or so before we decide we are really going to go—-I have all the cancellation deadlines charted out). These days it is best to stay flexible, and try not to get too emotionally committed to a trip. (But I understand why your might be, in your circumstances).

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From Italy.
The rule of the six months length of the Green Pass is because Covid is increasing again even in Italy, but we aren't sure if will be confirmed after Spring. If confirmed means that Italians must be boostered twice a year? Almost all the experts are saying that is probably completely unhelpful.
Your problem is the same for several Italians, like teachers or medicals, whom receive the booster 2/3 months ago. In April they stop working?
So, as others are saying: No panic! For sure there will a solution even for you without the need to cancel and give up this long expected travel.

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Hi KRS- don't worry about whining- we are here to support and help! With that said, I have a simple idea for you. Just call your primary care doctor. Tell them you are going to travel and explain the window. Ask them if they have not been authorized yet in the next few months if your doctor could authorize it for you- simply explain the timing challenges to them. They are human too- and I bet they will understand. I would also bet you they could authorize it and even administer it. This lets you create a back up plan depending upon where in the US the vaccination campaign is at that time.

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"I had my booster early October. I will be in Italy late March-mid April, so the last part of my trip will be outside the 6 month window they're apparently requiring and to my knowledge, they aren't offering additional boosters in the US". . .
Are you saying that Italy is requiring a second booster six months after a first booster? I haven't seen that anywhere but I'm hardly on top of Italy's requirements. The only thing I've read is that you must have a booster in Italy sooner than 9 months post second vaccine.

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Lindy, starting Feb 1 vaccinations will be considered expired if they are older than 6 months. This is a new rule that just came out on Dec 23.

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Research, plan, prepare, be flexible to roll with the punches. But don’t panic. Flexibility is the name of the game with travel, even more so nowadays. If it’s not the booster issue, it will be something else once you’re on the ground. Your trip will happen, just have all of the information so that you can roll accordingly.

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Ebaltayan she's had her booster. She's concerned that her booster will be at the 6th month mark while she's still in Italy. Is there a maximum amount of time after the booster? I don't see any requirement for a 2nd booster.

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Lindy, it is not a requirement for a second booster; it is a timing thing.. The problem is that any booster, whether 1st or 2nd, expires 6 months from the date it is given. She will be there beyond the 6-month expiration date for her early October booster. So if the rules don’t change, and she cannot get a 2d booster, she will not be able to go into restaurants, shops, museums, etc.

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I'm interested in reading about any country with a six-month expiration of a covid booster shot. I'm also interested in any data showing that covid vaccine boosters expire after six month. I'd appreciate any links. Thank you.

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As for limits to vaccines or boosters, Austria seems to have the strictest limits, not only setting limits, but some regions, like Vienna, having stricter limits than the national limits.

I think this is something to watch, and unfortunately, if you have trips planned, timing boosters such that you do not run into problems, even if it means delaying a booster by a month or so.

I do agree with the sentiment to not stress over it, things will become clear as your plans approach. Since the test groups for vaccines are barely 60 days ahead of the general public, everything will be last minute. Yeah, that is pure hell for the high level planners, but it is what it is in this time of Covid travel.

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Well, several countries have set a 6-month limit for effectiveness of vaccines/boosters; see the thread ChristineH linked. Austria, Italy, and ????

As for data, it will be awhile before the numbers are in, at least for the US, because boosters have not been around that long yet. But the indications starting to come out of Israel are that the effectiveness may start to wane around that time, just as the originally “fully vaccinated” status did.

But whether or not the data support it at this time, some countries have decided that one needs to have a booster within six months. . . So would you show up in Italy and try and challenge that?

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Link to December 23, New York Times article about Israel considering a 4th dose of the vaccine. There is some indication of a waning immunity as soon as a few months after a third shot (booster). But other scientists "warned that the plan could backfire, because too many shots might cause a sort of immune system fatigue, compromising the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-vaccine-4th-dose.html

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I'm interested in reading about any country with a six-month expiration of a covid booster shot. I'm also interested in any data showing that covid vaccine boosters expire after six month. I'd appreciate any links.

Unfortunately this isn't the point. We can argue for hours if a country acts well or not against Covid, if a booster is effective or not, how long will last the effectiveness of a vaccine. We can post link to researches and data. We can be expert immunologists.
But at the end the point is what a Government decides. Right or wrong the decision is taken and this affect our life and travels.

Don't be worried too much about travels. Italy lives for the 10% over tourism and everybody knows that if Italy is the only country where is required a vaccination every 6 months this means probably lose all the foreign travellers. The big Tour operators (the ones whom move million of tourists) are just pushing over the government to take decisions whom don't destroy the Italian tourism.
Now politicians are concentrated on the President election (in January), but soon they will decide what to do with Covid in Spring.

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Thank you everyone for your input. For now, I'm going to keep watching for changes since who knows how it will look in even a month, but I guess I'll need to make some decisions in February. I don't mind moving my trip up a week or two, although making sure I change the flights correctly will be stressful, but maybe I'll be able to get another booster by then too. I'll also have to figure out the whole testing 24 hours before you fly and downloading this and that thing (I'm not naturally technologically inclined), so I'm sure I'll have more questions. Meanwhile, I'm going to put my focus back on planning what I want to see and which side trips I should take, since that's the fun stuff.

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"But at the end the point is what a Government decides." While this is true, I am interested in an official site which states Italy's policy.
No one is faulting Italy, just asking for authentication to assertions that have been made. It is also important not to spread false assertions. I am concerned about the booster being ineffective after six months since I had mine in November. I have not seen data that has drawn that conclusion, but then, I haven't read everything there is, hence the request.
My husband and I plan to travel to England in less than six months and Paris and Spain in 10 months. The policies of one country can affect others.

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Lindy, since your spring trip plans include England, not Italy, and the France and Spain trips are 10 months off, it is probably not productive to focus on what Italy is doing right now. I cannot picture England, in particular, taking a cue from what Italy is doing.

Also, the restrictions Italy just put in place (the “super green pass or equivalent”) are temporary, and subject to revision—-in either direction.

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KRS, I am hopeful that your trip works out for you. To have gone through a divorce, and a rough one at that, have a trip canceled with loss of money and now this is a bitter pill to swallow.