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Stuttgart Alsace Switzerland Black Forest loop itinerary

Hello:

My wife and I visited Berlin and Prague this past August and we had a wonderful time. Really appreciate the feedback I got here to help me fine tune the itinerary.
https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/czech/berlin-lutherstadt-prague-itinerary-453aec49-3e09-4c36-b130-c34a3d9d234f

For next year I would like to do a trip with Switzerland as the centerpiece with some Germany and France sprinkled around.
With flight and car rental price in mind, Stuttgart emerged as a pretty good gateway.
Here's what I have in mind so far, love to hear some feedbacks.

Day 1 - Arrival in Stuttgart (2 nts)
Day 2 - Stuttgart (take it easy and see Porsche or Mercedes-Benz Museum)
Day 3 - Pick up rental car and drive to Alsace region Strasbourg/Colmar (3 nts)
Day 4 - Strasbourg/Colmar
Day 5 - Strasbourg/Colmar
Day 6 - Drive towards Switzerland's Berner Oberland (6 nts)
Day 7 - Switzerland
Day 8 - Switzerland
Day 9 - Switzerland
Day 10 - Switzerland
Day 11 - Switzerland
Day 12 - Drive to Black Forest region Freiburg/Triberg (1 nt)
Day 13 - Drive to Tübingen (2 nts)
Day 14 - Tübingen
Day 15 - Fly home from Stuttgart airport

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allow time in and around Stuttgart for traffic.

I like to stay in Waiblingen, the home of Stihl chainsaws and a beautiful walled town on a river, on the northeast side of Stuttgart. https://www.waiblingen.de/de/Wirtschaft-und-Tourismus/Tourismus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiblingen

Visit Esslingen when you are in Stuttgart. https://www.esslingen.de/startseite.html (click the union jack) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EsslingenamNeckar

Posted by
19963 posts

Be sure to buy a Swiss vignette and attach to your windshield. 40 CHF at the the border or gas stations nearby in Germany or France.

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6618 posts

Day 12 - Drive to Black Forest region Freiburg/Triberg (1 nt)

Sounds like you are essentially skipping the Black Forest with so little time. Freiburg is a city with a quarter million people - and not a real Black Forest destination. Triberg alone is not much. If you do a little research on the BF beyond Rick Steves' skimpy coverage, you can probably find better ways to spend your time as well as justification for a second night.

You might in fact combine your visit to Strasbourg with a visit to the Black Forest. This map shows how close Offenburg (Germany) is to Strasbourg. Offenburg is a good gateway town into the Black Forest - and only a few minutes from Offenburg is the charming old-world town of Gengenbach:

https://www.pfeffermuehle-gengenbach.de/files/gengenbach-innenstadt.jpg
https://www.reiseerlebnisfuehrer.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Gengenbach-Engelgasse.jpg
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gengenbach#/media/Fi%C8%99ier:Gengenbach.jpg
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gengenbach#/media/Fi%C8%99ier:Reichenbachtal,_Blickrichtung_Mooskopf.JPG

And just upstream from Gengenbach is Gutach (Schwarzwaldbahn) where you can get into some local culture and history:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1825958-d190955-Reviews-Schwarzwalder_Freilichtmuseum_Vogtsbauernhof-Gutach_im_Schwarzwald_Baden_Wurttemb.html

Triberg is just one of the BF towns you might stop in for a look around:
Schiltach
Haslach

The Black Forest Region is a good place for good local food. Just a couple minutes away from Gengenbach is Berghaupten:

https://www.markt-scheune.com/en/
http://www.hirsch-berghaupten.de/

Are you a "Feinschmecker"? Gourmet palates get satisfied in nearby Baiersbronn:
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https://www.viamichelin.com/web/Restaurants/Restaurants-Baiersbronn-_-Baden_Wurttemberg-Germany

It would in fact be possible if you spent 2-3 nights in/near Gengenbach to visit both the Black Forest destinations mentioned AND Strasbourg on day trips.

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Your profile doesn't say where you live. Last time I checked, the only direct flight from the US to Stuttgart was a Delta flight from Atlanta - great if you live in the SE, not so great if you live in the NE. We took that flight (starting in Denver) in 2002. It was a long connection as we flew for an hour to get over Philly/NYC area, from which other flights leave for Europe.

Posted by
7634 posts

Good plan.
Lived in Stuttgart for 9 months. Germans call Stuttgart "stau city." A stau is a backup on the highway.
The Mercedes-Benz factory is nice.

You may consider visiting Interlakken and Lucerne in Switzerland. Also, Lake Constance (the Bodensee in German).

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Thanks everyone for the feedback, they were all very helpful.

Russ, if we base ourselves at Gengenbach for our BF portion, would it make sense to daytrip to Colmar? Or is there enough interesting things near Colmar that it's worth it to move our base to the Colmar area for a few nights before heading into Switzerland?

Lee, I'm near LAX so I can take advantage of the Lufthansa direct flights to Munich or Frankfurt

Posted by
2390 posts

I made a day trip to Colmar from Gengenbach. No problem

Posted by
6618 posts

I'm not really familiar with Colmar's surroundings.

I was figuring on a full day in Strasbourg on the day trip from your Gengenbach base (Days 3-5.) As for Colmar... instead of backtracking on a G'bach - Colmar -G'bach day trip, hit Colmar on your way south to Switzerland. You could have most of a day in Colmar if needed - and in the evening a drive of about 2 hours to Bern (nice town) or thereabouts. Or perhaps spend night 6 right there in Colmar if you like, replacing the 1-night stay on Day 12, and shift your Switzerland nights to Days 7 through 12.

I remember thinking that Colmar was the sort of place I might prefer spend 3 hours or less. Pretty but also very touristy. Not sure how others feel about it.

When you do your drive from Switzerland to Tübingen, here are some options for stopovers in Germany near your route:

Wasserschloß Glatt (moated Castle) in Sulz

Hohenzollern near Hechingen

Dornstetten, pretty old-world town

And near Stuttgart you might visit Esslingen if time permits. If I had my druthers, I'd probably stay in Esslingen instead of Stuttgart proper, or maybe Bietigheim-Bissingen just to the north (and not too far from the car museums and Ludwigsburg Palace. The "charm" of Stuttgart escapes me.

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There's some nice wine touring through the Alsace area....

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I will weigh in with opinions about destinations and time to spend versus trying to create a new itinerary.

Stuttgart: Yes, the ugly stepchild of German capital cities, Stuttgart actually has two of Germany's most beautiful squares - right next to each other. Aside from the central sites, which can easily be seen in a half-day (or less, if you skip the very good Landesmuseum and the Kunstmuseum), the real reason to visit is the Mercedes Museum which is fantastic and I say this as someone who doesn't care about cars at all (but my husband, who very much does, also thinks it's the best of Germany's car museums). Another unique and worthwhile reason to visit is the distinct Swabian wine culture, vis a vis hiking the vineyards and visiting "Besenwirtschaften" - all possible within city limits with easy transit connections.

You don't say what time of year you're visiting, but my recommendation for Stuttgart as a day trip from another place, or a quick overnight would change if one of the better festivals are in on -and there are many, and they are some of the best in Germany. Sommerfest, Weindorf, Fruehlingsfest, JazzOpen, Volksfest, and the Weihnachtsmarkt transform the city into a 2 night stay, easily.

Tuebingen: Worth an afternoon. It's lovely, but it's compact, it doesn't have many good restaurants, and is best thought of as a stopover for a few hours when visiting Hohenzollern than as a destination. If you want to stay in a half-timbered city in the area, Esslingen would be my pick, and it's also extremely close to Stuttgart (and the Mercedes museum is en route from Esslingen to Stuttgart). Esslingen is one of those undiscovered destinations that makes a great base for exploring the greater Stuttgart area with lots to offer on it's own and it's a shame that it's so overlooked. I enjoy Bietigheim-Bissingen and far more Waiblingen as modest day trips from Stuttgart, but Esslingen provides the best experience for a real medieval city in my book and is more convenient to regional sights than the other two.

Freiburg is nice and worth a night, but if I had my druthers I'd base in Colmar. Yes, it's touristy, but it's also gorgeous and is a good base for exploring other Alastian wine towns, which is very worthwhile. I've overnighted in Colmar twice and I'd do it again. Although I think this forum also seems to unfairly dislike Strasbourg, which is just a big beautiful version of Colmar with the added benefit of being a real city with one of the world's most magnificent churches. It is bustling and busy, which I guess some people don't like, but then again, Colmar is just small and bustling so you're not escaping crowds either way.

Stuttgart airport: I hate connecting in the US so I fly from Frankfurt direct to SFO when I visit home, but I will say that for sheer ease of an airport experience, Stuttgart Flughafen is wonderful. I've never waited in security more than 10 minutes through now dozens and dozens of flights. The S-Bahn provides good, regular service to the airport and the station is literally at the airport. I usually arrive at the airport less than 45 minutes before my flight gate closes and I always have 20+ minutes to spare (but then again, I'm not checking luggage).