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Eurail germany pass - get to all locations I want?

Hi all -
Will a Eurail germany pass get me to all locations that I want to? I think it covers enough of the trains that it should work but I'm having trouble finding a map of all stops. I want to go:
Frankfurt --> Bacharach --> Cochem --> Baden-Baden --> Freiburg --> Colmar France --> Fussen Germany --> Salzburg --> Munich --> Rothenburg --> Nurnberg --> Frankfurt

I'm guessing we can't use it for our one France stop, but want to check that it will work for everything else?

Thank you!!

Posted by
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The Germain Rail pass will cover all trains in Germany, except for the Eurostars from Koeln to Brussels. But you will probably be overpaying as most of your trips appear to be relatively short ones on regional trains.

Look at the Deutschland Ticket, which covers all local and regional public transport, and suplement that with Sparpreis tickets for the long sectors.

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I agree with the above post, get the Deutschland Ticket (58 euro) that will cover all Regional trains, and public buses, trams, and S Bahns. Then buy appropriate ICE tickets as needed for select segments, maybe part of the trip between Cochem and Baden-Baden, on the way to Fussen, but really, little else.

For Colmar, the D-Ticket will get you to Basel, from there buy a regional ticket to Colmar, Leaving Colmar, buy a regional ticket to Kehl just across the border in Germany from Strasbourg, and the D-ticket takes over from there. There is also a route to Fussen through Switzerland, no faster, but might be an interesting route.

The other big advantage of the D-Ticket often overlooked, is the use of city buses and trams, not so much from a financial standpoint, just ease of use, need the bus? just hop on, no need to figure out tickets, have change for the driver, etc. Google maps will generally provide you with good bus info.

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"I'm having trouble finding a map of all stops."

It's not easy to get 5,700 train stops onto a single map.

https://geoviewer.deutschebahn.com/maps/#/context/ISR/275618

It is unclear whether you are actually doing heavy sightseeing in places that WILL require trams/buses/subway ride - like MUNICH and FRANKFURT. Most of your destinations are smaller places that do not require the use of trams, subways, and municipal buses. And if Frankfurt and Munich are just transit points, then the fact that the GRP does not include these things might not bother you that much. Two smaller places you will need buses:

Füssen: buses between Neuschwanstein (which tends to drive tourists to Füssen in the first place) and Füssen
Baden-Baden: buses between station and town

The GRP does in fact allow the use of the S-Bahn system, which might be of some limited use within Munich and Frankfurt.

FRANKFURT S-Bahn: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Bahn_Rhein-Main#/media/Datei:Liniennetz_S-Bahn_Rhein-Main.svg

MUNICH S-Bahn: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Karte_der_S-Bahn_M%C3%BCnchen.png

NUREMBERG S-Bahn: I used this once to reach the Nazi doc center / rally grounds... The Dutzendteich stop gets you within a few minutes' walk. Otherwise, Nuremberg is a very walkable city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_S-Bahn#/media/File:S-Bahnnetz_N%C3%BCrnberg.png

SALZBURG: Both the GRP and the Deutschland-Ticket get you there. Neither the GRP nor the Deutschland-Ticket helps you get around within this city.

COLMAR: Not served by either pass.

If you buy just the DB saver fares for long-distance trips (looks like you'd have at least 4 of those to buy) and use the Deutschland Ticket for the rest of Germany, that will be good coverage and will likely save you some money. But... there are some other considerations:

  • The Deutschland -Ticket covers a CALENDAR MONTH. If your trip covers days in different months, one D-Ticket won't cover all your days.

  • The Deutschland-Ticket does not cover any high-speed trains. Should you mistakenly board a high-speed train with only this ticket in hand, you may end up getting a hefty fine for traveling without a ticket - and be required to pay the full fare for that train ride as well. The GRP allows travel on ALL types of train, so it's a type of "insurance plan" for mistakes.

  • The GRP allows you to take any train at any hour - and you can make choices about which days you travel during the period of your pass. The saver fares OTOH are date/hour-specific and non-refundable. You must travel at the hour you booked weeks or months before your trip, or you lose the ticket and you must then buy a new ticket - there's no changing your plans - no leaving a place earlier or later than scheduled (whether you are sick/injured or just slept in and missed your scheduled train, it doesn't matter.) So again, it's an insurance plan that allows you to be human and make mistakes.

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Thank you all! This is all really helpful! One thing I noticed from Russ's post is that - "The Deutschland -Ticket covers a CALENDAR MONTH. If your trip covers days in different months, one D-Ticket won't cover all your days."

We will be arriving the end of May and traveling into June, so this is a consideration for us.

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Hi all - Sorry one more question, we started looking into the deutschland ticket, but every website we can find to buy them requires a Germany home address. Is this something foreigners can buy and where/how do we buy them without a Germany address? Thank you!

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Outsiders CAN buy the D-ticket. But you won't get instructions from me personally (have never bought one) so you should look to the top expert for details: The Man in Seat 61 explains the options.

Also, there are individual forum members here who can provide help using other strategies - I think the Mainz and Hamburg transit authorities have been mentioned as sources. Do a forum search. Here's one of those threads:

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/germany/d-ticket-easy-to-get-and-easy-to-use

A D-Ticket should make local transit much simpler for June. Without a May D-Ticket, May journeys by local transport aren't covered, as you know. So for your May DAY 1 FRA > Bacharach journey, you will need a ticket (or use a railpass day if you have a GRP.) You can look up FRA > Bacharach train schedules at the DB site, but you should not try to buy this ticket in advance online.

A search at the DB site will likely turn up regional trains (no ICE or other high-speed trains) for this trip - so despite the 1-hr travel distance, this is still a "local" (Nahverkehr) trip in Germany because it uses just the regional trains. DB can sell most regional train trips, but this is one of those regional train trips that DB can't handle...

  • A few of the journeys on your results page might show a price (probably €59 for two adults) in the far-right column. If you then hit the red "continue" button for that journey, you will get additional purchase options. Please don't pull out your credit card.

  • For the unpriced journey, hit continue and you will see a bunch of confusing tickets with German names and messages saying purchase is not possible. *Back to this in a minute...

Here's the deal: FRA > Bacharach lies marginally within the "RMV" zone. RMV is the area's transit authority, and only the RMV can sell tickets (train, bus, subway, whatever) for local-transport trips within this zone. Any prices (like the €59 price) you see at the DB site is for a journey that makes a DETOUR outside the RMV zone - DB has the authority to sell regional tickets that cross zone boundaries. (Click on "details" for those journeys which have prices, and you will see that the multi-train sequence has a stop in Bad Kreuznach, which lies outside the RMV.)

SO... What you don't need for your FRA-Bacharach trip is a detour or more changes of train or a longer trip or a higher price than you need to pay!

Back to that results page with all the ticket choices. The FIRST one, "Einzelfahrt Erw.", shows the cost of your one-way trip: €15.30 each. Transit authorities like the RMV have their own rules... Any one-way RMV must be used immediately, which is why you should buy it just prior to boarding, lest you be caught with an expired ticket. This is easy to do at a ticket window, a little trickier at a ticket machine, and probably easiest using the DB app.

How many other times during May will you be using local transport? Will the trip to Cochem also be in May? Will you use the train to get to/from the boat docks for a Rhine cruise? Will you travel to Burg Eltz? Clearly, it would take only a few days for an additional D-Ticket for May to pay for itself. Then you won't have any local transport tickets to fuss with.

Back to the schedule... If you are like me, you'd want a DIRECT train to Bacharach without making a change in MAINZ or Ingelheim. The RE trains that leave FRA's Regionalbahnhof station every two hours or so are the ones to use with your RMV tickets, or your D-Ticket.

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"The Deutschland -Ticket covers a CALENDAR MONTH. If your trip covers days in different months, one D-Ticket won't cover all your days."
We will be arriving the end of May and traveling into June, so this is a consideration for us.

You can still buy a prorated Deutschlandticket with the HVV Switch app from the Hamburg transport authority, even if the conditions are no longer as good as they used to be: 1. you can book at the earliest eight days before your first day of travel, 2. you must cancel by the 10th of the month at the latest. In your case, both conditions together ensure that you have pay for the entire month of June.. Nevertheless, this is a good deal, because if you only need it for, say, four days in May, you pay around €8 instead of €58 with other resellers.

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This question might or might not matter, but at one point you say "We". Are you traveling alone or with someone (two people)? Regional passes (i.e., a Bavarian-Ticket) are less per person if there are two or more of you.