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Would this typical DIY couple hate the Viking river cruise that goes from Budapest to Amsterdam?

We have always planned our own trips and only recently dipped our toes into tours with the RS Best of Istanbul in 7 Days. We survived that just fine.

So I'm thinking of really stepping out of our comfort zones, at least for us DIY folks, and taking the Viking river cruise that goes on the Danube, Main and Rhine rivers from Budapest to Amsterdam. It is a 2-week adventure.

I would like to hear from anyone who participates on this forum and has done this or a similar river cruise through Viking. I don't want to go to Cruise Critic, specifically because I want the pros and cons from people who usually do their own trip planning.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

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We used the Viking itinerary as a guide and then visited those destinations on our own.If you are DIY travelers these are destinations you will enjoy getting to on your own. Days 6-10 are day trips from a Munich base, days 11-14 are day trips from a Vienna base. We rejected the Viking itinerary for Days 1-5, spending more time in Amsterdam and leaving the other German cities for another trip.

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Some thoughts......
We had done all of our travel DIY until my wife said "for our 20th wedding anniversary I want to unpack once and be hauled around in relative luxury without needing to be concerned about finding a restaurant every night." So we did a cruise and enjoyed a terrific experience due to setting our objectives and expectations completely different from our other trips. So the key is what are your travel objectives?
Are you ready to give up "control" and accept there will be more down time which you can fill with making new friends, reading, day dreaming and absorbing the passing countryside?
Another thought, we chose to take only one cruise provided excursion and did the rest on our own. The result was we took deep dives into one specific destination, per stop, and sated ourselves by controling this aspect of the trip. While Cruise Critic does not provide the answer to the question you raised on this issue, we did use CC for learning how other folks arranged their own excursions.

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Someday I will reach that point in my life where I will want to sit on a deck and watch the world go by. Till then I stay DIY. The Viking Route just has too much to see along the way. Once I have seen a lot of the places along the way I think I might enjoy the river cruise that hits the larger destinations. Till then, I think I would do:
1. Depart the US
2. Arrive Amsterdam
3. Amsterdam
4. Amsterdam
5. Amsterdam to Hanover by train (4.5 hours)
6. Hanover to Berlin by train (2.5 hours)
7. Berlin
8. Berlin to Dresden by train (3 hours)
9. Dresden to Prague by train (2.5 hours)
10. Prague
11. Prague
12. Prague to Cesky Krumlov by shuttle service (2.5 hours)
13. Cesky Krumlov to Vienna by shuttle service (3.5 hours)
14. Vienna
15. Vienna
16. Vienna to Gyor by train(1.5 hours)
17. Gyor to Budapest by train (1.5 hours)
18. Budapest
19. Budapest
20. Budapest
21. Budapest Home
Okay, that’s three weeks. Start in Berlin for a two week trip and to get rid of that long haul from Amsterdam.

Actually the Danube in the other direction from Budapest is pretty fascinating too……….

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Lo, it might be a nice change from your usual DIY style -- you won't really know whether you'd like it unless you try it. We usually do our own planning but a few years ago signed onto a cruise up the Danube as part of a longer alumni tour. We spent a few days in Budapest on our own beforehand (glad we did), and could have used more than the two nights in Vienna (not really "in," since the boat was docked miles from the center, though the subway and trolley were also interesting). It wasn't Viking but was a similar experience -- nights and most meals on the ship, half-day tours of the cities, some free shore time, lots of socializing with other travelers. Pros included that convenience, and seeing things from the river. Cons included reduced contact with Europeans, and a sense of being "herded" (though the crew and guides were very helpful and well-informed).

As background, we like ocean cruising and have done about a dozen such trips. I like being on any kind of boat really, so I'll put up with a lot just to be waterborne. But river cruising is naturally much more focused on the sights than big-ship cruising which also focuses on stuff to do on board. I doubt if we'll do another river cruise again, at least as long as we're mobile enough to get around on our own.

I'd recommend a river cruise, or a well-run tour like the RS ones, to a beginning traveler who wants to sample Europe (or anyplace). Not so much for an experienced DIY traveler like you who doesn't "need" the structure and help. BUT -- you never know, you might really enjoy it, and you won't know unless you try. So I say (since it's not my wallet) -- go for it!

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Hello Lo. I recently saw, from Public Television, the three video travelogues of Burt Wolf on a cruise boat on the Danube River. It looked pleasant, passengers on the boat do not check in and out of hotels. But being on the boat for two weeks would be too long for me. The rooms (for sleeping) in a boat are small. I might be willing to be on a boat on the Danube river, from Passau (in Germany) to Vienna. But the cruise boat that Burt Wolf was on did not stop at Krems. Rick Steves said the town "Krems is a gem". The Rhine river, south of Mainz in Germany, is not scenic. And the Rhine river, north of Koblenz in Germany, is not scenic. There are some ugly industrial areas in Germany.

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Hard to know if that would or would not work for you. We split our travels between cruises and DIY. A river cruise has been on our bucket list for awhile. We generally spend a month or so in Europe every other year. Shorter time in between. Almost always to a week, ten days on our own, then pick up a cruise for a couple weeks (longest has been 22 days) than finish with another week or so on our own. We treat our cruise ship like a floating hotel or an overnight train with better beds. Always have breakfast on board, never lunch, and depending on departure time may have dinner ashore. Provides a lot of convenience and often is pretty cheap. You may have to just try it. I think it really depends on your attitude and expectations. Some of the comments that are somewhat negative about cruising we would not support.

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I'm a pretty savvy traveler and have done 5 Rick Steves tours and about 8 trips independently, twice alone and the others with friends. I've plotted itineraries and booked hotels and extensively prepped for my trips.
Last summer I desperately wanted to go to Europe but had a very limited time frame and no time to really plan and study up. A good friend and previous travel buddy talked me into taking the Grand Circle Amsterdam to Vienna river cruise with her. I had never traveled to Germany before (other than changing planes) and had actually avoided it. But this trip would be "Germany lite" and I decided to give it a go.
I know what you mean about being outside one's comfort zone (even in the veritable lap of luxury!)
And it was really fun, while completely different.
I had never unpacked a suitcase before in Europe, but our room had a closet and drawers and 2 weeks to make use of them.
I was concerned about the short times in each of the towns along the river (I like to stay 2 or 3 nights most places), but, honestly, after seeing the church and/or castle and having a beer or coffee in the platz, there wasn't really much else to do, at least in the smallest villages.
The food on the ship was outstanding and since all the meals were included, it did make most of the costs upfront and budgeting a breeze. The food reflected the culture of the area and there were always options if a meal was not to one's liking. I did miss the thrill of discovering that special cafe off the beaten path, but it was okay this one time. The wait staff were very good (and became more personable and funny as they got to know us.) All the meals were open seating and there were a number of large tables so we got to know lots of different people. (Our ship held 140 passengers but wasn't completely full. I think that Viking is a little bigger.) And the views while dining ... no complaint there!
Our guides were good, although not of the Rick Steves caliber. There was an orientation session every evening about the next day's events and sites. They also provided written material each evening. There were 4 optional tours offered, but they never pushed them. I took 3 and they were worth it. They divided us into 3 groups for the walking and bus tours and spaced us leaving the ship so it wasn't too crowded walking around. We also had the "whisper system" so we could hear the guides without being on top of them.
I wished that I had had more time in Amsterdam, but I will come back there again.
I hope this has been helpful!

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We've done DIY, RS and a Viking Cruise on the Rhone. My husband enjoys the camaraderie of the tours we've taken, so we that's kind of our focus for now, but we always do small group tours. We did the Viking Cruise and really enjoyed it. We did because friends wanted to do it for their anniversary- there were 3 couples. I think if we'd gone by ourselves we would have taken off on our own more. One of the couples really prefers the cruise style, and wanted to eat all meals on board. I think if it had just been us, we would have taken off on our own.

So, here is our take:

Liked: Unpacked once, rooms were larger than we expected ( we had what they call B-French Balcony);
didn't have to lug luggage, nice staff, quality of tours was generally better than expected, extra excursions were well worth it and we wished we'd done them all, food was excellent, people were nice.

Not so fond: emphasis on lining up for meals to get the "best" table;less activity than we like - we walk most when we're DIY followed byRS tours;no chance to really interact with anyone other than those on ship; you see a locale, but you don't really get a "feel" for it; the ship is calling the shots on your time; the food was great and plentiful, but it wasn't really regional food, just regional ingredients; spotty wi-fi, tipping everyone at the end.

Bottom line- we'll do a cruise again with Viking,just not yet.

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I've done lots of DIY travel to Europe, even before the internet when I only booked hotels for my first and last nights in Europe, not wanting to be tied to a hotel reservation that doesn't conform with being in the villiage I just fell in love with.
I've done 3 river cruises: Viking & (2) Grand Circle. I'd give the edge to Grand Circle. They seem to be the only ones who convert beds into seats + table in your room. If you are inclined to stay in your room, it is nice to have a room that is not all bed. You have a more personal relationship w/ your guide on GC. On the other hand, Viking has no corkage fee! (First things first!) Since Viking advertises heavily in the UK, we met plenty of Brits, which we enjoyed. I understand that Gate One is consistently the best from friends, but haven't had the right dates to try them out.
Make sure you add extra time to your final port as you will be spending additional time w/ departure duties, Capt. dinner, etc. I was sorry I didn't schedule more time in Budapest because it was eaten up w/ the departure stuff.
The best part of a river cruise is not wasting time w/ the logistics of packing/unpacking and finding the next hotel, or being cramped in a car/bus/train. The rooms are designed w/ plenty of room for luggage. It is the only time I don't travel w/ only a carry on and do some shopping. I'm not a fan of big cruise ships, but loved the river travel and so did my DIY travel buddy.

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My 18 yr old daughter and self did the Budapest to Nuremberg Viking cruise two years ago, and then 3 weeks DIY. SHE LOVED IT(go figure, probably because she has never been that pampered). We loved waking up in the morning, laying in bed with chocolate croissants and coffee watching the world go by.

I thought it was good,not great. The food was plated beautifully, but just OK ( we did a Princess cruise were the food was 10x better!) the average age was late 60s, early seventies, a good 20 years older than myself, so little in common due to stages of life, but my daughter loved it as the only youngster, they were lovely to her!

The excursions were fabulous as the guides were some of the best I have ever experienced and the groups small,loved the ports of call as well. What I didn't like was the down time in the evening, I am not one to sit in the bar and make small talk, just not my deal. I think it would have been fun if we went with a group, as am an introvert and don't enjoy socializing with new people. Don't get me wrong, we spent some time with some great people, but I didn't love that aspect. There is little else to do at night when sailing. they have a few programs, but they were just OK.

It was also ridiculously expensive. With that said, I am doing a Rhine river cruise with my spouse in a couple of years as he is a VERY reluctant traveler and that is the only way I can get him to Europe, if we have someone holding his hand the entire time (and it can't be me)

I would much rather DIY, but if you want a totally stress free vacation, it was not a bad way to go! There's something about someone else taking care of everything that is grand!

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Oh my gosh...lying in bed with my "blankie" watching the world go by WITHOUT me - now that's my nightmare of vacation. Trying the local mom and pop hotels and mom and pop restaurants is part of what I love about European vacations. Maybe when I'm too old to haul my own luggage onto the train I'll try a river cruise with my "blankie" ;-)

I guess we've just been going on our own for so long and catching up every year with friends we've made in all of the various destinations we would be lost without all of that. For those who need guidance and hand-holding all along the way then a river cruise (or any cruise) would be good for you.

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Viking likes to call their Amsterdam to Budapest tour their "Grand European Tour." And grand it is @ $7249 to $9K pricing. Then they throw out a 2 for 1 deal as a marketing ploy.

I was also looking at 2 week Viking cruise ship tours (on the ocean), and they're about 10 times as expensive as the big box cruises I commonly take yearly.

No thank you. I may be young retired, but a river cruise for 15 days would probably bore me. And for half the price of a river cruise, I could take another trip to Europe.

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We have done a lot of European travel and all on our own...except we did take a Viking cruise 2 years ago called Danube Waltz. Through Viking we got what we thought was a great deal..we were right about $2200 each which included airfare. We paid an extra amount (small enough so I don't remember) and got our flights booked on BA and were able to arrange a 5 day stopover in London for whatever the small amount was.

I plan all our trips and it is, honestly, a lot of work and I usually enjoy most of it but still it is a lot of work. And we had some individual cities we wanted to get to, like Budapest and Vienna, but had struggled to out together a longer trip that they fit sensibly into. So, we gave Viking a try. Not having to worry about any logistics once we got on the plane to Budapest was just wonderful.

Our ship was small...only 144 passengers and we certainly did get to know other people even though we traveled with two other couples. Our room was bigger than we expected, well designed to be comfortable and live bigger than it was. The food was fine...not great and not particularly locally focused but good, well prepared with a reasonable number of choices. The top of our ship was a sundeck and it was pretty nifty to sit up there and read or look around or visit with friends if the boat was travelling during the day. We departed from Budapest, where we had tied up right at the Chain Bridge, at night and literally everyone was on the deck because that departure at night from a glowing Budapest was simply spectacular. In fact, the vast bulk of the ship's travel was done at night while we slept.

It seems to me we were tied up quite close to the city center in Vienna and about a 2 minute walk from the subway system. In fact, I can't remember a tie up in any place that wasn't very central except in Linz and that hardly mattered since that day's excursion was to Salzburg and by bus. Every place we stopped had a bus excursion first thing in the morning. We took them all and they were fine. The busses did return to the ship at lunch time but we never did, remaining in wherever we were and exploring the city on our own for 5 hours or so. Sometimes we had talked to the tour director about a restaurant in the city that was good, she made a reservation for us and we didn't return to the ship till after dinner. Heading up to the deck after dinner, having a glass or two of wine and talking with everyone, our old friends and new friends, about the day's experiences was a great way to end the night.

Now, I have to say there is undeniably a certain "inch deep, mile wide" aspect to this sort of travel. And yet, I got to Melk and Durnstein and Bratislava and Linz, all places I otherwise never have seen in my life. Would I want to do all my traveling this way...absolutely not. Did we find it a cost effective, totally enjoyable alternative to our regular mode of travel...we did absolutely. Would I do it again, probably...but this September we head out for a week in Oxfordshire-ish and a week in London and a week exploring Haute Normandy so it won't be this year.

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Thanks everyone for all your responses so far. They definitely reflect both some of my hopes for and some of my concerns about such a trip. Please continue to tell me the good, the bad and the ugly of river cruises.

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Are you one of the people who typically recommends staying in a city at least a couple nights? Granted, Viking is handling all the logistics of getting you from place to place, and I've never taken a river cruise as I can tell from their commercials during Downtown Abbey that I'm a good 20+ years away from their target market demographic, but their itineraries are not much different than the cruises on this side of the world to places like Mexico - it's a whole lot of 1 night stops which means you have a very finite amount of time to do shore excursions. And you're stuck eating the typically mediocre mass-produced cruise ship grub night after night. Those things to me seem like they would be pretty frustrating cons for people who normally DIY. On the pro side, it's probably the ideal trip to say "I'm packing 2 bags and 5 pairs of shoes and I'm not going to wash my underwear in a sink this trip!". All you need to do is get the bags from the airport to the dock - and if you can afford a Viking cruise, you can probably afford to spring for a taxi with your extra luggage.

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Lo,
While not Budapest to Amsterdam, I'll give you my thoughts on the one river cruise we took. It was Belgium and Holland with Tauck Tours (they have private-label Tauck river ships). We went during prime tulip season and during the Floriade (which is a huge horticulture/botanical world's fair type venue that happens in the Netherlands once per decade).

For 'certain' itineraries I MIGHT consider a river cruise again. But, there are pros/cons.

What we liked:
1)My spouse totally enjoyed the experience of watching the river ship go thru the locks.
2)We were able to see many villages/cities (on all-included shore excursions....all those are included and no tours are sold as add-ons) and travel very efficiently (mostly at night when the scenery was not spectacular between cities, then during the late afternoon when we enjoyed the Dutch countryside). 3)The time of year we traveled was too chilly (early spring) to totally enjoy the French balcony or the upper deck, but it was nice to have the full-view windows of the French balcony and the upper deck for photo taking.
4) Nice group of fellow travelers (but average age was probably 10-15 years older than us). We were 56/58 when we took the trip, and several of the other passengers upon learning my age would comment, 'oh, you are the age of my son/daughter, etc.' Nice people, though. Most were well traveled, but just sort of settled into a preference for river cruises (maybe due to ease with age). There were a handful of young couples, some as young as late 20s, but they were attracted to the cruise for ease of travel. Young doctor spent evenings editing his photos (which were fabulous, as he shared them with other travelers).
5) Excellent land tours....incredible local guides, efficient, etc.
6) Unpack once.
7) Turnkey...no $ need in pocket/little planning. Airport pickup/return included.

The cons (when compared to small group tours or independent travel):
1) I like historic, charming, very nice hotels with good views from my room.
2)I don't know if it will be the case on the particular route you are considering, but several times on the route we took, river ships are 'stacked.' What I mean by that is, for example, let's say Viking was the first to 'port,' then Grand Circle arrived, then Tauck, then another brand. When you first arrived, you may be enjoying a fabulous view (from your room) of said city, but when you come back from tour, you will find that your view is into the window of another river ship docked immediately next to yours. Sometimes when departing your ship, the ships will actually open the doors on both sides, and passengers literally walk from one ship, through the lobby of the next, etc. to reach the dock (I sort of enjoyed seeing a smidge of the other brands, at least the dining areas, lobbies, etc.). But, in one location, we woke up really early one morning to the noise of what appeared to be an older river ship with what appeared to be a large group of asian tourists (who were extremely noisy).
3) River ships need to be of a low profile (think fitting under bridges), the typical river ship will have three levels of rooms. But, if you enjoy high ceilings, forget that. While our room was nice and in the mid-price section, it did not feel as spacious to me because of the lack of high ceilings. Tauck's rooms are big compared to many other brands.
4) Part of traveling to other countries is experiencing the local cuisine. All dinners were on the river ship. Food was very good, high-quality with very good service, but it was the exact same dining room night after night. vs. the variety of venues available on land. There were 'nods' to the local cuisine, but it was not just the same as dining in an authentic restaurant with local waiters. Ditto for breakfasts/lunches.
Would I do another river cruise? Probably/maybe...but only if it proved to be the 'best' method logistically for seeing what we want to see.

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appreciate your question Lo and everyone responding here. I've been thinking about a river cruise for my parents (we're a family that's never done any cruising at all). Certainly sounds like a great option in the right conditions and depending on what you're looking for!

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My wife and I took an Avalon River Cruise from Budapest to Nuermburg in April-May 2014. We have different energy levels when it comes to travel and she thought it might slow me down -- which it did, a little. Like on an ocean cruise, you lose your evenings in town, although we did have an overnight stop in Vienna. The food and service were very good. It's a relatively sophisticated, mature, well-off crowd, the last one probably due to the fact that river cruises cost more than many other modes of travel. It is very pleasant cruising by within sight of the shore, unlike an ocean cruise where you may barely be in sight of land (or not). There were lots of included tours, which were very high quality. Be aware that if water levels are too high or too low, your itinerary could be thrown off. You might have to switch ships or get on a bus. We enjoyed our riven cruise and would do it again - someday but not right away. A lot of the stops were about right for the limited time you have there, but having only a day and an evening in Vienna is obviously way too little. (We had been to Vienna before). Definitely arrive early and spend time in Budapest if you can.

We have also done ocean cruises, in 1999 on our honeymoon and my first trip to Europe (Lisbon to Venice). Then again in 2011 a round trip out of Athens. We enjoyed those too, but mostly we are land travelers and use Rick's books on every trip.

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Lo, thanks so much for asking this question. I had filed in the back of my mind the possibility of doing a Christmas Market River Cruise in a couple of years so this is giving me some things to contemplate. I am really enjoying the pro/con assessments from those who have traveled this way but have also traveled independently and on RS tours.

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Lo, I have taken 3 Grand Circle Travel river cruises [Vienna - Amsterdam, Budapest - Black Sea ending with 2 nights in Bucharest, and Basel - Antwerp cruising the Rhine and Mosel]. I have also done 1 RS tour [Germany-Austria-Switz] and several DIY trips. I've also been on one ocean cruise [Southern Calif to Puerto Vallarta/Cabo San Lucas]. I've enjoyed them all, though I will probably not do another ocean cruise. I like planning, but am also very happy to relax and let someone else handle all those details, as RS and GCT do.

The GCT cruises have all been with my mother, and after the first one we've been able to get discounted tickets since we had some date flexibility. As others have said, it is REALLY nice to just unpack once. We found the program directors interesting and informative and the food quite tasty and appropriate to the region. [I got some of the recipes after our last trip and found out why those soups were so tasty - they were loaded with heavy cream!] Mom always wanted to go back to the ship for meals, and of course the meals are included in your cost; if I'd been on my own, I would have taken several opportunities to stay in the town for lunch or dinner ashore. I did go back ashore several times after lunch, leaving Mom resting; it was nice to have some more time to wander around.

If you decide to do a river cruise, I would strongly recommend arriving a few days early and staying a few days later, so you can explore those first and last cities more thoroughly than is possible with the cruise. We let GCT do our plane tickets on two of the trips; the third trip I got the tickets since I wanted more control over the route and the timing, which saved about $750 per ticket. I think GCT is more reasonably priced than Viking, and as another poster noted I liked having our beds convert to sofas during the day - but I've never been on a Viking cruise so can't really comment. It would be fun to be with a more international crowd; the GCT passengers have all been Americans. But we are still in touch with some of the folks we have met on those cruises.

Good luck with your decision!

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Thanks again for all the great responses. Always being 3 sigmas off the mean, some of the "con" comments are pros for us at this time of our lives and vice versa. Having never taken any kind of cruise, there were many things I hadn't even thought of, so I am very appreciative of that enlightenment.

My husband is pretty positive about this particular river cruise because it is so pricey, we are unlikely to spend our normal 4+ weeks in Europe if we do it. Our dog would be happy with that, too.