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World War sites

Hello all. We are being transferred to Stuttgart, Germany and will be there for three years. We've picked some common places to visit like London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Stockholm, Prauge. The first question is since we have a car and an international license which places are better for car and which ones are better just taking the train. Second, I would like to make sure we see World War sites, more specifically WW2. I have a 13 year old son and a 6 month old daughter and I'm sure there are some places, like concentration camps, that might be too much for me much less a 13 year old. Unless there is something really objectionable I think we should see those places.

I am reviewing all the forums and this web site for all the information I can digest, so, thanks in advance for any tips you leave.

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Some WW2 sites to get you started:
actually, much of Europe
But more specifically (and I assume you're American, otherwise the list would be somewhat different):
D-Day landing sights, Normandy (also Caen and Bayeux)
American Cemetery, Normandy
Bastogne, Belgium (esp. for Americans)
Hitler's Eagle's Nest, Berchtesgaden, Germany
Anne Frank's House, Amsterdam
Auschwitz Concentration Camp, Poland
Buchenwald Concentration Camp, Germany
Dachau Concentration, near Munich
London (east end bombing, Churchill bunker, etc)
Dresden (bombing)
Hamburg (bombing)
Berlin (bombing)

and many more, any WW2 history book will give you the details.

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You'll probably want to look at the Auschwitz official website before you go there; on the official website there are (or used to be) some cautions to parents bringing children below a certain age, because of the wrenching emotional things that can be experienced by a visitor there.

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st7clair,

geee i wish i had that problem of living in Europe for 3 years.

If you have to be behind a wheel of a car to feel complete, you can do that. Im biased towards the great train system they have. You can do the wait n see on your driving. see how you like it along with the fuel prices and see if it works out for you.

one thing nice about a car is that you can see the WWII places at your own pace. Not that you can't rent a car when you get there.

So far I've seen on my own or with a guide and his car:

Normandy area. Used a private guide. he knew the area like the back of his hand and still didnt see everything there is to see. Focused on the USA sectors and did the tour in 1 day. When i go back, i will get a car and spend several days going over what i saw the first time and see much more.

Bastogne. Was able to walk to the museum at the memorial (that was closed) and then to some of the monuments leading into town. Again spent a full day doing a private tour of the area. And again, could spend a lot more time to see other areas. Also, will go back and see some of the other things.

If you make it into Bastogne, you should try to get a tour in "the barracks". Its still an active base, but they has some really cool information and hardware. I would say its in town too.

London. Was able to see most of the military museums in London and in the one in Leeds. No car needed. but again, if you want to drive in London you can.

Brussels. was able to see the military museums in town. One was being re-thought out and had a lot of its displays distributed since they were trying to get a theme going.

Paris. Did most/all of the museums in the city i wanted to see or that interested me. didnt make it out of Paris yet other than Nomandy.

Stockholm. They had some military museums there, but what i really thought was the cats meow was the VASA ship. Also you will notice that they just love CANDY!

you're going to have lots of fun. Happy trails

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Hi,

I assume you're arriving in Stuggart this summer. If you are intent on tracking down WW 1 and 2 sites in the course of the three years, it's best to have a car to track down places outside of the big cities. There are museums in Poznan, Berlin, Linz, Vienna, Warsaw, Budapest, Munich, Paris, London, Prague, and Helsinki too, and ALOT of other towns in northern France (in the Pas-de-Calais, Somme areas ) and Germany to see, not merely the esoteric museums but military cemeteries, monuments, memorial sites (Gedenkstätten), battle field sites,...all the better if you have a good reading level of German and French.

Because this year is the centenary the train stations are loaded with historical magazines on the war, be they specifically war history or on societies of the belligerents. The history museums have/or will open up special exhibits on WW I.

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Here's a great resource:
https://www.abmc.gov/
There a lot of places you can go by train, but with a 6mo, you'll find throwing everything in the car is much easier for a 3 hr drive. There's also some great places you can't get to by train like St. Mihiel cemetery (WWI), etc. When you get to Stuttgart head straight to the USO if you have privileges. You'll find tons of info there and from other families who've been to where you want to go.

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You may want to check a site called "thirdreichruins". It has photos of places as they were then and as they are now. If you are into WWII history you'll probably find it very helpful as you can research by areas before you go. TC

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Here are a couple of suggestions: Bletchely - this is outside London. We drove there but I understand you can also take a train. This is where the codebreakers worked during WWII. A fascinating site. Also, we just returned from a trip to East Anglia. There were many military bases on this side of England, and we visited the 100th Bomb Group base at Thorpe Abbotts. It was fascinating. The l00th Bomb Group engaged in bombing strategic targets such as airfields, bridges, enemy ground defenses, etc. They bombed Berlin and also participated in DDay. This is a small museum and site but well done.

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If you decide on a little more first hand experience there are a few places in Central/Eastern Europe where you can Rent-a-Tank. Generally they are Russian front line T55's. These cold war icons are newer than WWII but still pretty primitive by current standards. Driving one was pretty insightful. What those tank crews must have endured is absolutely brutal and amazing. There are also a handful of automatic weapon ranges in the region. Another interesting site is the Hospital in the Rock in Budapest http://www.sziklakorhaz.eu/en ; this spans WWII and the Cold War. Pretty amazing. If the Holocaust history inspires you there are a number of relics still in Budapest. To truly appreciate them you would need to do a little advance reading. With some knowledge you cant help but be moved. When in Budapest I stay in an apartment that is about 500 feet from the location of the WWII Deportation Ghetto wall and when I cross that line into what was the ghetto it still makes me pause and think............and I get angry.. If the Cold War interests you at all its pretty hard to escape the shadow in Budapest. Bullet holes still in the building facades, prisons still standing in the center of town (and still in use) and Secret Police headquarters complete with torture cells still intact. The apartment block i stay in even has a Cold War Fall Out Shelter in the basement. Complete with Blast Doors and a small decontamination vestibule. Done with a little prior research and reverence it can all be very insightful, educational and might even change your impression of life.

For instance this place still stands in Budapest: http://carllutz.freeservers.com/custom2.html

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I went to the Resistance Museum when I was last in Amsterdam. I thought it was very good.

In terms of the cities you mention Berlin has a great zoo which would be a change of pace from three years of history. :) Back to the history, though, I really liked the Deutsche Historisches Museum. You should go to the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin.

Salzburg isn't far and reachable by train. Of course, the WWII parts of it are all about the Sound of Music, but the city is lovely anyway, and you can get into the mountains.

I spent two college terms just south of Stuttgart, long, long ago. We did easy weekend trips to Innsbruck, Vienna, Strasbourg, Heidelberg, Lake Constance, Munich, Ulm, Zurich, and the Black Forrest. Of course Stuttgart itself has more now than it did back in the dark ages of the 70's. : ) But do drive south to the Schwabische Alb. The countryside is wonderful. The Neckar River Valley is quite beautiful and still has lots of orchards--at least there were still orchards in Eningen u.A. when I visited 5-6 years ago! We went Tubingen for Fasching.

BTW there is someone who currently lives in Stuttgart who posts regularly. You might find her by posting a question in the Germany forum about Stuttgart to find her.

Pam

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This isn't a World War II site per se, but if you get to Amsterdam, visit the Jewish Historical Museum. It's a very poignant experience; one part of the museum features photographs of Dutch Jews wearing yellow stars and walking along the canals. 80,000 Jews were deported from Amsterdam, the largest percentage from any European city, because of Amsterdam's progressive social systems of which the Nazis took advantage.

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st7clair....Since you are based in Stuttgart, you are close (relatively) to a site connected with and survived the war if you're intent on driving out there...the Stauffenberg family estate located south of Tübingen between Hechingen and Sigmaringen. From Stuttgart by car going there would make a very interesting historical day trip. With a car and having three years, you'll be able to track down alot of sites depending on your focus and just going after them.

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Sarah, there is another thread here about Travel(l)ers and Tourists and other mindless dribble. I know that the holocaust isn't the subject of this thread but it does sort of span the gap between the two threads; that is it is part of an answer as to why to travel (or be a tourist); in part so we can witness reminders and hopefully never forget as through forgetfulness there is repetition. Despite this, the hate remains alive and well, and I think at levels equal to those in 1938; its just the idea of acting out on such concepts is no longer as much a societal norm. It makes me unimaginable angry.

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In Arnhem, the Netherlands, there is the Airborne Museum devoted to Operation Market Garden.

Often overlooked because of the WWI history there, in Reims there is the Surrender Museum where the actual surrender papers were signed at the end of WWII in Europe.

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The Second World War was fought in Southern Europe too. The Allies went ashore on several Riviera beaches and swept north through the Rhone valley to join the Normandy forces moving east. It is strange to think of landing craft on the beaches of St-Tropez and Cannes where only 15 year later Bridget Bardot conquered the sands in a different way. There is a big American military cemetery at Draguignan which offers some insights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhone_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial
The Italian campaign was fierce, although overshadowed in history by Normandy. The Italians, caught between their own government and the outsiders who did so much fighting and dying, must have mixed feelings about commemoration. There are war cemeteries from Sicily all the way north along the eastern side of the country. The most prominent is Monte Cassino where the rebuilt monastery is worth visiting just for its architecture and scenic vista. Among several burial grounds there, the distinctive cemetery for Polish soldiers, who eventually won the peak, is particularly touching. Again, Wikipedia is helpful, particularly on the Allied leadership whose strategy was based on weak assumptions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Monte_Cassino
For the religious aspects: http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/monte-cassino-monastery

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I'd like to send you a PM. My son & family just returned after 3 years in Schweinfurt. Even with 1+ years of deployment & training time, they managed to travel and expose their children to european cultures and enhance their own prior experiences.

Quick note for some insight. Grandson visited Dachua at 11 years old with parents, Granddaughter visited Sachsenhausen at 15 years old with her school class.

  1. They favored their car for longer travel like 12 days for France, 7 days for winter holiday at Garmisch base, 7 days for Berlin and back. They preferred trains & buses for day trips and weekends like visiitng Christmas Market towns, weekends in Salzburg, Munich; Overnights in Rothenburg and others; Day trips to Wurzburg, Heildeberg and others.

  2. Consider joining a family spa for weekends, holidays, evenings.

  3. The one activity I see not mentioned yet is taking walking tours offered in these cities There are many themes of varying interests and many WWII, Third Reich tours offered.

  4. I think your family may enjoy some of the open air musuems offering the culture and history of the country.

  5. I'd personally add the Netherlands for WWII interest and Ireland for a relaxing green holiday!

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"The Second World War was fought in Southern Europe too." And WWI as well. One of the most interesting memorials I've ever visited was located high in Italy's Ortler Alps, above the ski resort of Passo del Tonale. What is now a ski field was once the front line between Italy and Austria-Hungary. The memorial is carved directly into the rock, and nearby, you can visit a small museum that I think was called something like "The sounds of war". It occupies a shelter-cave, drilled into the mountain side during the war, and it allows you to experience what the war must have sounded like reverburating through the rocks. Kind of creepy. You can visit all of this by either attempting an extrememy difficult up-hill hike, or just ride the ski gondola.

Congrats on the Stuttgart assignment! You'll love it! Stuttgart isn't the prettiest city in Germany, but there's a lot to do, both in town itself and in the surrounding region. And if you like to ski, you're only about 2 hours away from Alpine resorts.

"Second, I would like to make sure we see World War sites, more specifically WW2." These are rather rare in Germany, for the obvious reason that the country wants to limit the opportunities for the tiny far right movments to memorialize the Nazis. But, you'll see a small, understated memorial in just about every town, which lists the war dead. When you see how many names are on some of these monuments compared to the size of the town, it becomes quite sobering.

One large, completely undamaged building project from the Third Reich era that is relatively close to Stuttgart is Heidelberg's Thingstätte. These were built on the model of an outdoor Greek ampitheater with the intention of using them for night-time propaganda rallies. The concept never proved particularly popular, but the Heidelberg's specimen remains completely intact, perfect acoustics and all, with the exception that the post-war government removed all the symbols associated with the Nazi era. It sits near the top of the Heiligenberg, the mountain on the opposite side of the river from the famous Schloss. You can either hike up or drive, although the road that leads up to the parking area is a little hard to find.

"The first question is since we have a car and an international license which places are better for car and which ones are better just taking the train." Traveling to any large city in Germany, train is usually more convenient. For exploring the regions outside of cities, a car makes things easier. For the most part, I don't find driving within German cities particularly difficult, with Munich being a huge exception. And unfortunately, the Stuttgart region has some of the worst traffic in Germany. You will hear the word "Stau" very frequently. Berlin has some awful traffic outside of the city, but I found the city itself surprisingly easy to navigate by car (although I only drove to and from my hotel). In general, cars are often more of a hastle than a benefit in most European cities. Even when I do drive to a city, I usually keep my car parked in a garage for the duration of the stay.

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Hi

Not a day trip from Stuttgart (too far for comfort) but it's well worth visiting three of the key sites in Northern France that the Nazis built with forced labour, specifically to use high-tech weapons against the UK. All three are off the usual tourist trail (particularly for US tourists), and all make you go 'wow' even 70 years later...just like something from a James Bond movie.

La Coupole (V2 bunker under a hill) - near St. Omer

Eperlecques - V2 assembly factory - near Calais

and

Mimoyecques (German V3 'Super Guns' designed to hit London from the French coast) - near Boulogne

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Hi,

As pointed out above, if you're in Calais anyway, see the large D-Day Museum, worth your time comparing and contrasting like museums.

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During our trip next month, we're renting a car in Brussels with the goal of hitting Waterloo, the In Flanders Field museum in Ypres (WWI), and Dunkirk (WWII) on our way to Bruges. I'm sure there are better destinations, but these just happened to be close enough to our destination. Give me three years and....wow, that sounds great!