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Work visa (not Schengen) tips and tricks?

I have a potential opportunity next summer to be an official (the guy in stripes) for a sports organization that has teams throughout Europe. If I get offered a roster spot, the league wants me there from May to mid-September -- so a Schengen visa won't work. My wife and I would live somewhere - TBD - and travel to games on Fridays, work the gamed on Saturdays and head home (the TBD place) Sundays. The league pays travel expenses to and from games.

We can be anywhere, meaning we won't have to live anywhere specifically. She has an Italian passport, which may help or not.

The league won't select officials until March, so I won't have a letter offering me a job until then, but I imagine the non-Shcengen, work visa process is something I need to start right now.

We can otherwise prove all the necessary things - medical, financial, return ticket, etc. - that a country is likely to require for longer-term visitors..

From what I've read, Germany is the most amenable to a long-term visa. And, as I say, Italy could be possible. But we'd really like to live in northern Europe because we haven't been there.

Can I apply to multiple countries at the same time for a work visa? If I have an Italian or German visa, could we choose to live in - say Austria, France, or another country?

Do you have any tips, tricks, or suggestions?

Thanks in advance for your help and advice.

Posted by
6354 posts

Rather than relying on advice here, I would strongly suggest that you contact an immigration attorney about your issue. In my experience, work visas are usually handled by the hiring organization, so I'm surprised that the sports organization you referred to is not taking care of this.

Immigration work visas are very very tricky and one wrong move on your part could negate the whole thing. Talk to a lawyer.

Posted by
1684 posts

If your wife is Italian she is basically entitled to live where she wants in the EU. No ifs or buts. And you as a family member of a EU citizen enjoy that right as well. The details I think you better inquire at the embassy of the country you have picked to live in.

But your wife, as a EU citizen, can live anywhere in the EU/EEA/Switzerland, and so can you as her husband.

Posted by
11184 posts

But your wife, as a EU citizen, can live anywhere in the EU/EEA/Switzerland, and so can you as her husband.

But does he have the right to work, without obtaining 'permission' in some form?

And like Mardee, I am surprised the employer has left you high and dry and having to come here for 'how to' advice.

Posted by
15063 posts

But your wife, as a EU citizen, can live anywhere in the EU/EEA/Switzerland, and so can you as her husband.

True, but you still have to get your official documents. A friend of mine's wife is an Italian citizen. He has Italian residency but he still had to get the proper documents. He couldn't just start living there and ignore the rules.

Posted by
9593 posts

Exactly. As the spouse of an Italian citizen myself, I have the right to live and work in Europe - but I had to apply with all my paperwork (i.e. proof) to get the documentation (i.e. residence card -- the equivalent of a green card in the US) that actually shows/proves I have those rights.

Mardee has said it right, right from the top: you need to seek expert advice, not rely on a bunch of anecdotes from volunteer posters on a travel forum.

This sounds like a neat opportunity, and I hope you can make it work !

Posted by
315 posts

Just because folks asked, there's no guarantee that I make the roster. As a result, the league doesn't want the responsibility of giving me an offer letter ahead of giving me a roster spot. I get it. I'm not bothered by it.

Thanks again for everyone's insight.

Posted by
776 posts

Typically, in my expat work experience, the employer facilitated the visa process.

If they don’t, watch out! Things may be going “under the table” which you probably don’t want to get involved in.

I would speak to the League about your concerns or a former employee if you don’t want to risk your chances of selection by “asking too much”.

Interesting that all the responders have said mid the same thing!

Posted by
5529 posts

I worked in two different countries in Europe. My employer completed all the paperwork for my work/residence visa including the justification of need. In both of the countries I lived in, my visa constrained me to work only for my sponsoring employer in a specific role. If I had terminated that employment, I would have been required to leave the country.

Seeking a visa based on your spouse’s citizenship will probably offer more flexibility over seeking a visa based exclusively on your May to September employment.

You will definitely want to consult an immigration specialist.

I hope this all works out for you!

Posted by
1684 posts

But does he have the right to work, without obtaining 'permission' in
some form?

Yes. As a European citizen you have the right to take up residence anywhere in the EU/EEA/CH area, and work there as well. I mentioned this because the OP thought that his wife being Italian would only be relevant if they moved to Italy, but in fact she is a EU citizen, and can exercise here rights as such in any EU country, in Norway or Iceland, and in Switzerland.

Posted by
4412 posts

The easiest thing would be to volunteer and not be paid, but you are in fact working so you should get compensated

Posted by
17957 posts

Because you are doing this as a spouse, you may not actually need an offer to get the paperwork done. But get a lawyer.

I have residency in Hungary and have been told that it does not give me the right to overstay Schengen outside of Hungary. I don't know if it's true, but would be impossible to enforce.

Posted by
2189 posts

First, congratulations on this possibility; it sounds like a pretty unique experience. Could the organization that you are going to work for put you in touch with someone that has previously done this? Has the organization offered any resources? My daughter’s first international job was in France and between the organization and the internet she was able to figure what she needed and how to proceed.

Posted by
1684 posts

If you have a residency in a Schengen Area country you can travel freely in the whole zone, but you indeed are subject to t he 90/180 rule, which you should in theory follow.

But nobody is going to be tracking your movements. There is no immigration controls between countries normally. Airlines may want to see your passport, but that is for conformity checks.

What however could lead to problems is when you register somewhere, and then people notice that you are never at home. With a residence permit you are expected to live there. So taking up residence and then touring Europe for 6 months isn't going to work.

Posted by
94 posts

as the spouse of an EU citizen you will have something called EU treaty rights (its called different things in the different states) to work in the EU, but only and most importantly if your wife is exercising her rights. i.e. if she is working or studying within the eu, if shes not and say she is working in the states she is not exercising her rights as its called so you will have to apply for a work visa. this is a simple measure to prevent marriage of conveniences

either way you have to apply for approval just one way is a lot less hassle

Posted by
94 posts

yes it happens surprisingly often, its not the only step but there's precautions in most immigration law

Posted by
980 posts

So many things that need to be corrected and I don't have the time....

  • There is no such thing as a Schengen work visa
  • Work visas are country specific and are granted according to a common set of principles for all EU states
  • You must reside in the country issuing the visa for the majority of your time, with perhaps short tourist visits to other states
  • All work requires an appropriate visa regardless if it is paid, unpaid or compensates in another manner
  • Visas must be applied for by the potential employer
  • Your wife as an EU citizen has no greater rights than you unless she is a permanent resident, in which case she could apply for a family reunification visa for you

Bottom line - get a lawyer.

Posted by
17957 posts

Get a lawyer is the best advice, and I would get one in the country I want to live in. I do know a company in Hungary that specializes in this sort of thing ... they got my residency for me.

One of the questions I would ask is if I live in Germany and I have a work visa in Germany (which I believe will only be valid in Germany) if I go to Italy to officiate a match, am I working in Italy. I am no lawyer, but I think not, or the non-EU athletes would have issues because the match is their work too. But again, just a question to ask.

But make sure it's a good lawyer. My residency was a wild shot in the dark, but mine managed to pull it off. Any less knowledgeable and it would not have happened.

Another question, can you apply before you get the job offer? I think not, and if that's true what is the wait time? My residency took 3 months to get and I know the wait in Hungary for a work permit is about the same (but much easier to get). But they did give me a temporary to use during that time, which took about a month to get. But i had to be in country for most of this. GRT A GOOD LAWYER (yes, that is an oxymoron)

Posted by
7567 posts

Not mentioned yet, but you likely do not want a typical work visa as most people think about it. Determine what country makes the most sense for you to reside, and contact that embassy. What you are looking for is a separate category of visa for Cultural, Sports, Religious, and Film Crews. Basically, this is the same visa used by music acts, sports teams, etc. when they are paid to perform for these short term events (Taylor Swift likely has one for her upcoming tour).

It likely would not cover your wife, but sounds like she is set with the Italian passport.

You can start to contact them now to gather information, but you cannot apply until you have a commitment from the league you are talking to. The reason, is that to apply, you will need something from them, plus air tickets, proof of someplace to reside (rental agreement), proof of insurance, proof of funds, etc. It seems like you are a bit far into the thought process, but verify that the league is willing to work with you on justifying the visa.

Good luck.