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Winter travel, Berlin etc.

Hi all. I have the opportunity to pay for coach flights and get free upgrades to business class. The catch is I need to complete travel by Feb 28. The trip I was planning to take in March was Berlin, Prague and Vienna. Or maybe London, Berlin, Prague.

With the right coats and other outerwear, this would still be fun, yes?

The truth is I can never go away for a couple weeks in shoulder season anymore. Jan, Feb and early March are the slow times for my business.

It's hard to pass on the upgrades, just to go anyway in early March.

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If you are planning to be cities, I think that you'll be fine. Although, where are you from? The last person who asked about weather in Scotland in March was from Hawaii. Sometimes experience and perspective count! I live in NYC and any of these cities would be fine from my perspective, but less so from a Hawaiian one. :)

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You'll be fine. The tourist hoards in Prague will be at low ebb. It will be colder than Austin, but not nearly as cold as Chicago. Central Missouri? Urban cultural life will be in full swing.

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Yes, we don't really get cold weather in TX. I'm fine in the 40s. 30s is cold to me. I just figure it's a taxis between museums kind of trip.

If I were to choose only 2 towns between Berlin, Prague and Vienna for this winter trip, any favorites?

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I've only been to Vienna in May/June but what I loved most was the architecture and the gardens. If I were choosing between Vienna and London, I'd take London in a heartbeat. If you want to add to that, stop somewhere between London and Berlin - Amsterdam would probably be easiest. You could also stop in Dresden for a day or two between Berlin and Prague.

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I was in Berlin last February and it was bloody cold but with a decent coat you will be fine just remember a good hat and some gloves. I actually lost my hat on my fisrt day there so had to treat myself to a nice Berlin beanie type hat. I have been to Prague in the cold weather though usually early March and it has been pretty wet and that heavy wet snow so decent foot wear is a must.
Both Berlin and Prague have lots to keep you bust in the wintertime and have some great bars and restaurants to head into if the weather is too cold.

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Of all the destinations that you mention, London will probably be the warmest, but February is the coldest month of the year for most of Europe, with the highest risk of snow. It's also a good time to travel, as there are fewer queues at museums etc. Berlin is one of my favourite European cities and I spent a week there last December and didn't run out of things to do. It was colder than London. If I had to combine Berlin with somewhere else on your list, I would pick London or Prague.

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Have not been to Prague yet, but I loved Berlin in January! Vienna snd London are good anytime, I am sure Prague is, too.

If you have 14 nights on the ground, I would choose three cities at most. If you can stretch it to 16, you could visit all four. I would poor ably fly into Berlin, then go to Prague and Vienna, and skip London this time.

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I found Berlin had a huge number of (indoor) sights for someone who was interested in both art and political history. It was six days packed with museums and the equivalent for me, and I had to skip some. If you're not interested in WW II or the Cold War, there are enough art and ethnography museums for several days. It's a spread-out place, though, so your taxi costs may be significant.

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Hi,

I may differ from others here, but last Christmas season my wife and I traveled to Prague, Vienna and Budapest. We both thoroughly loved Prague and Budapest - but didn't really 'connect' with Vienna. Its possible that since we were there in the winter - there weren't the charming gardens to explore. But we can't recommend Prague and Budapest enough - both are amazing cities with iconic bridges connecting them. And both cities are certainly walkable (depending on where you stay - as long as you're near-ish the city centers). The only other suggestion I'd make to these two cities - or quite honestly if Vienna is on your itinerary - would be a day stop at Cesky Krumlov (its a beautiful little town between Prague and Vienna). We used a car service to take us from Prague to Vienna - with a 5 hour stop in Cesky Krumlov. I promise - you won't be disappointed if you make some time in your itinerary for that.

Happy traveling!!!

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We visited Prague late February 2012 and enjoyed walking around. Some blue sky days, some cloudy and light drizzle, but as the saying goes, "there is no such thing as bad weather...."

https://www.yr.no/place/Czech_Republic/Prague/Prague/statistics.html
Month/Mean Temp/Mean High/Mean Low/Days of precip/month:
February -0.6°C 3.0°C -3.9°C 5

February was low season in terms of lodging rates and no press of crowds other than waiting for the Clock to chime. An example of the high to low season pricing is that of the Green Garland Pension:

Double / Twin Quotes 2016-2017

Low season: 7/1 - 31/3 & 1/11 - 22/12 1.300 CZK

Middle season: 2/1 - 6/1 & 1/7 - 31/8 1.900 CZK

High season: 1/4 - 30/6 & 1/9 - 31/10 2.400 CZK

Holidays: 14/4/17-17/4/17 26/12/16-1/1/17 3.500 CZK

Note Euro dating is day/month. Travel prior to 28/2 puts you in the low season range of 1.300 CZK for a double vs a high season rate of 2.400 CZK. With the lodging savings you can buy a warm coat with change left for a few 1/2 liters of pivo.

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Vienna and Berlin are standouts when considering museum offerings. If you have 2 weeks I'd also include a short stay in Prague to break up the train journey between the two.

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Thanks all for the detailed replies! I guess I'm not a complete idiot for considering it, even though it will be cold. Snow would be not much fun. But I'd like to see especially Prague without the crush of humanity I've heard about.

I guess I wasn't thinking that late February could be colder than January. I was being optimistic and thinking "start of spring!"
I was thinking Feb 17-28, as the 28th is the last day to fly back and use the upgrade.

Would December or January actually be -better- weather for Berlin & Prague?

Hell, maybe south of France would be better or Spain? We've already done Italy, but could go back. There's no such thing as too much Italy.

Geez, I know I'm letting the business class tail wag the dog here. Really, we just like rich history, cool architecture, and museums. Hopefully with good food/wine. That's all we need to be happy in Europe. Sometimes you only get 2 or 3 out of the 4. ; )

Berlin is really calling out to me though...

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You're about to get my one-size-fits-all answer to a winter vacation: Sicily! It's fabulous in terms of architecture, historical sights (there are both Greek and Roman ruins of note) and--especially--food.

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Hi sform,
I think Berlin is a great city - I went on the RS Berlin, Prague & Vienna tour last June and was totally surprised with how much I enjoyed Berlin. It has everything you mentioned you enjoy except architecture, there are so many Communist era drab, blocky buildings that you want to avert your eyes, they are so ugly. But the museums, history, music and culture offer a smorgasbord of delights. As you mentioned, in the winter, you can take taxis from museum to museum. Prague and Vienna do have wonderful architecture, especially Prague and excellent museums. You will have a lovely trip. I hope you write up a trip report!
Enjoy,
Judy B

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acraven, any help appreciated. I'm floundering here and need a plan before all the upgrades are taken.

What would 10 nights in Sicily look like? Stopping where to sleep? If we go into and out of Rome, that'd be fine by me, I love Rome.

Might be hard to tell DH we're skipping Berlin and going to Sicily ; )

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Sicily would be a lovely option but you would need to move around more to see the sights, and the travelling would eat in to your precious time. The Vienna/Berlin option would require booking just 2 trains, and 3 hotels.

18-22 Feb Vienna (4 nights)

22 Feb RJ 72
Dep 09:09 WIEN HBF (Austria)
Arr 13:08 PRAGUE HLAVNI NADRAZI (Czech Republic)

22-24 Feb Prague (2 nights)

24 Feb EC 378
Dep 12:27 PRAGUE HLAVNI NADRAZI (Czech Republic)
Arr 16:58 BERLIN HBF (TIEF) (Germany)

24-28 Feb Berlin (4 nights)

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I do love Berlin as well as Sicily. Berlin's easier, because you can basically stay put and just OD on museums. But if you're not up for weather that's likely to be rather cold and dreary, Sicily's an option. As always, advance planning is required to hit multiple small towns in one day (and don't even think about a side-trip by bus to a small town on Sunday), but there's some train service and buses fill in the gaps pretty well between the larger cities. It's true that you'd want to base yourself in at least two cities.

Depending on how you want to weight your trip--fabulous churches vs. general picturesqueness (is that a word?)--and exactly how many nights you'd have on the island, you might hit:

Palermo: at least 3 nights unless your tolerance for fab church and oratorio interiors is very low and you don't care about the museums. Monreale just outside town is a must. You can also visit the picturesque (but possibly dead in winter) coastal town of Cefalu from here.

Siracusa: at least 3 nights for Greek ruins, a very good museum, the large Ortygia medieval district filling a peninsula, and at least one side-trip. (Better more time for more side-trips.) Side-trips to the Baroque towns of Ragusa, Noto and Modica are possible; Ragusa probably needs a full day by itself. I assume those towns are still reachable by bus in mid-winter.

There's a very impressive Roman mosaic site in the interior that I was able to reach by public transportation in the summer. I don't know how viable that is in the winter. It's the Villa Romana del Casale, outside Piazza Armerina. There's a supposedly very lightly visited Greek site not too far away, Morgantina. But if you have a thing for Greek ruins, you'd want to include the SW for Agrigento and Segesta. I skipped them.

I liked Trapani on the west coast and the evocataive neighboring medieval hilltown of Erice. Many people prefer the lovely and beautifully situated Taormina on the east coast. It gets a lot of cruise traffice and was too touristy for me to stay long in mid-summer but should be much more peaceful in winter. It's your jumping-off point for visiting Mt. Etna. Taormina and Siracusa are about 2 hours apart by train. The major Catania airport lies roughly midway between them.

The trip between Palermo and Siracusa is via Catania and takes about 5 hours by train or bus, if one can believe Rome2Rio.com. That's not too bad if you don't have to return to your origin point.

Though you'd be hard-pressed to find someone less religious than I am, I really loved the religious sights in Palermo. If I had 8 nights in Sicily and I was flying into Palermo from Rome (no transatlantic jet-lag) and out of Catania, I might split my time 3 (Palermo) - 4 (Siracusa) - 1 (Catania, visiting Taormina that day). If flying into Catania and out of Palermo, I might go 1 (Catania, visiting Taormina on arrival day) - 3 (Siracusa) - 4 (Palermo).

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Okay, now that you are starting to think about the south . . .

Andalucia is the warmest, driest part of Europe. I've been there twice in February, only needed a fleece jacket and a rain poncho and gloves. Each trip was 2-3 weeks and on each I had a couple days of rain, and a lot of sunny days, many when I took the jacket off and was happy to have ice cubes in my drinks like the locals did. I thought no country could top Italy, but for me Spain does.

Also consider that Carnevale in Venice is Feb. 11-28. You could combine a long weekend there with Spain - I did that a couple years ago, flying cheaply from Bologna to Sevilla.

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Thanks y'all. Nothing I like more than musing about travel possibilities. Sicily sounds really interesting, I'm gonna need to research that more.

Tell me more about Carnavale as a tourist. Does this mean Venice is packed out with people and hard to manuever? Or is it really fun? I went in March (so like me) and we kinda had the place to ourselves. 5 minute wait to get into the church on the square, no lines elsewhere, etc.

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Carnevale in Venice

I arrived in Venice 12 Feb 2013 at the end of Carnival. We were delayed exiting the aircraft because of heavy snow. Departing flights did not leave the gate so our aircraft was parked away from the terminal and it took the Italians an hour to move snow around and get a portable ramp up the the aircraft. I was fortunate to arrive a day after an acqua alta event. Those arriving early reported that their first floor (one above street level) became the first above water floor.

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I've been to Venice twice for the first weekend of Carnevale. From what I'm told, the middle weekend is more interesting and a lot more people, the last is crazy packed with people and events. Here are a few photos from my second visit. The costumes are mostly hand-made (people spend a whole year designing and making them) and are incredibly detailed. Take a little time to chat with a few of them. They come out early in the morning to pose for all of us amateur photographers (including each other). Parts of the center can get really crowded. At the official opening ceremony on the first weekend (that's been changed) the main square (San Marco) was packed with people and there were literally pedestrian traffic jams as people tried to leave at the end. I heard some Italians next to me describing it like "walking in a Sicilian funeral" - take one step, then stop. Take one step, then stop and wait. But once you are away from the major tourist areas, San Marco to the Rialto Bridge, it's not crowded and you can enjoy the rest of Venice without crowds. Everywhere you go, you will see people in costumes. It really is fun.

And while it is high season (top dollar) in Venice, it's low season everywhere else. I've spent quality time in Florence, Verona, Rome, Bologna, Ravenna, Sorrento in February with bargain hotel prices and almost no crowds.