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Why seasoned travelers spend less than newbies

People tend to spend more per day in one's earlier trips than in later ones for a couple of reasons. First (or second!) time Europe visitors tend to be on the move a lot, trying to visit as many places as possible. All that train (bus, plane) travel adds up. On top of that, less seasoned travelers are more likely to be visiting the "must see" places, where hotel costs tend to be highest, whereas experienced travelers have moved on to other, cheaper places to visit. Admission to museums, castles, etc. are highest if you've never been to a place before and want to see the highlights than if you've been to all the "biggies" before and are seeing lesser (mostly cheaper) sights. Hotel expenses are generally higher for first time visitors to a city because it is usually preferable for them to stay in the parts of the city that are richest in "tourist target" sites, but where the hotel prices are unfortunately highest. For example, I've been to Paris quite a few times and I stay out in one of the outer arrondisements and save quite a bit. But if I were advising a first timer, I'd recommend staying much closer to the places (the Louvre, Notre Dame, the Eiffel Tower, the Seine boat tours, etc.) that I expect they will want to see so that they minimize time spent shuttling into the city from the outlying areas. Finally, when I visit a place I've been a lot, it's unlikely that I'll buy much in the way of souvenirs and mementoes, but a first-timer ought to budget in for that sort of thing.

I suspect that Rick's budget is geared more to the first or second time visitor than to those of us that travel in Europe a lot. And appropriately so, since that is the target audience of his books and this site.

I detect a whiff of smugness in some of our responses about how we beat Rick's projected budget that I think ignores some of the reality of first-time travel, and that I think may be off-putting to some, though I doubt it is intended that way.

Posted by
11507 posts

I think both Jers post and Perrys make some very valid points.

I agree when one does not do their homework, ( or worse in my opinion, lets a travel agent book all their hotels) then of course they tend to pay more for such things. I also totally agree that eating and sleeping near tourist centers can really crank up you bills, we have all heard about people buying 5 euros coffees , just because they sat at a cafe within view of a site.

Posted by
582 posts

Pat, I don't like to use travel agents either. Not only the hotels are high, but the airfares are crazy! I recently went to an agent only to get some information about Alaska, and when I walked out, I thought there is no way I'll use any travel agent! I almost always agree with Rick Steves, but I have heard him say to find a good travel agent. I have to disagree with him on that one. I plan on going to Paris and London on my next trip, and will shop around for deals. When I'm ready, I'll ask for advice on this forum. So far, I do spend less and less on each trip, and still have the time of my life!

Posted by
2030 posts

I believe Rick Steves recommends using a travel agent primarily to book airline and train tickets. I have done this for many years and always get a good deal - my cost has usually been the same as what friends get from the on-line booking sites. I always book my own hotels or apartments -- using Rick's books as a guide.

Posted by
7570 posts

I think that observing that a "newbie" spends more because they are doing the "biggies" sights is really not a function of a new or seasoned traveller, but whether you have been there before or possibly your interests. If I had been to Europe 20 times, but never Paris, I would certainly do the Louvre as a seasoned traveller, heck, even having been to Paris, and the Louvre, twice, I would do it again the next trip. Same for location, I would probably still stay somewhere in central Paris. But in both cases, I would plan my day to make the best use of a pass and I would find a much better 2 star hotel for a fraction of the price, all things a "newbie" may not do.

Posted by
7570 posts

As for travel agents, their value comes with use. If I could develop a relationship with an agent that understands my needs, my likes, and my style of travel, and they are booking for me multiple times a year, saving me money, hassles and time (Like I am sure is the case with RS) then I see where they can be useful. For me, travelling once a year or every two years, and doing much without reservations, I just do not see the value, and certainly offer no incentive (Sorry, no commissions on airline tickets or the Hotels I stay in) for an agent to spend much time with me.

Posted by
1449 posts

I think another reason is that when people first start to travel they do things much like at home, then as they get experience and start to behave more like locals their costs go down.

Two examples 1) at home many people are accustomed to going to a restaurant for a quick lunch. In Europe they learn 2 things -- restaurants aren't quick, nor are they inexpensive. Travelers often start to get a bite to eat on the go, rather than spending 1-2 hours at a sit-down lunch. 2) In most cities in the US, public transportation is abysmal. Travelers rent cars on early trips, but realize that many cities are well-served by public transit in the city and for travels between cities.

Posted by
934 posts

My first trip was going to be my only trip and I traveled to far.At the time I thought it made sence.It was my most expensive trip and 12 years later I travel for less because I know more(a lot from helpline and my own experience)

Posted by
51 posts

I can't afford to travel internationally all the time so I have to go with the mentality of, "this is probably going to be my first and last time here". So you BET I'm gonna get a photo with a guard, see Stonehenge, taste that nasty mineral water in the Pump Room! (and actually I'm VERY excited to travel 13 hours and visit a Tesco.. weird, I know. But I'm just drawn to it).

But thank goodness for the internet and fantastic places like www.ricksteves.com This place is a gold mine! Getting fantastic advice, recommendations, 'avoid if at all possible''s from the locals and frequent visitors.

And actually Seattle is my FAVORITE place to visit.. been there several times and I always spend the same amount (if not, more), lol than I did the first time - it's the darn REI flagship store and Pike's Market... get's me ALL the time! But those aren't REALLY souvenirs, so yeah, but I understand what you mean...