What! Not everyone likes Rick?

I think Rick is not for everyone. Personally, I love his convenient travel tips in his guidebooks and the fact that it's practical. However, he picks and chooses what he focuses on, and that has its good and bad points. I'm going to Emilia-Romagna this fall. Great, but if you only read Rick's books you'd think it's a region of Italy that doesn't even exist. If you only read books, you might think Florence is worth a mere day and Brussels. I'm sure many people agree, but many many people (myself included) don't. Another problem with Rick's book is that he takes small places - towns, restaurants, hotels, and turns them from local secrets to total tourist traps once the ink hits his guidebook. But, he espouses a wonderful travel philosophy - the whole travel light, learn some of the language and customs and all that jazz, and I do think he does make Europe more accessible to people who'd either take a horrible guided tour or stay in the US otherwise. And like I said his information really is useful and generally wonderfully presented. I definitely think Americans often stay home because of money and time. If I'm going to go to Europe and undergo that expense, I want to go for at least 2 weeks - not everyone can do that. I can go to Santa Barbara or Cabo over a long weekend. Big difference. Also, there really is a lot of wonderful stuff to see within the US and I know for me, that's what I was exposed to growing up. It shocks me at how many people will fly all over the world but they've never seen a New England fall or the Grand Canyon or the Taos Pueblo or even our wonderful historical sites in Washington DC or the old Salem port and witch trials historical sites, just to name a few.

Yes, I agree the Trip advisor forums have some rabid folks who really dislike Rick. This was very apparent on the Ireland forum -- at least last year. Many folk spouting very rude comments when they admitedly didn't even really know much about him. My advice -- if you are a Rick Fan just keep that opinion to yourself on the TA forums -- then come here and hang out!

I agree with everything Debra said.

I am having to drag my German mom kicking and screaming (practically) back to Germany. She keeps telling me, "I have so much I haven't seen in the United States, yet."

I do know people, too, who go to the same places in the U.S. every year for vacation or spend a fortune skiing here all winter long. Some people have cabins or condos they have purchased in these places. I guess it is your travel style and what makes you happy. I love both U.S. and European travel!

I agree with the many comments of types of ignorance keeping American folks at home. If one was to point a finger at a big contributor of this issue, then it would land on the USA's public educational system. Not enough time is spent in ongoing studies of the world and its peoples with current information. Many Americans of any age can not fill in the names of more than 3 countries in the proper location on a europe map. So why would a person want to travel if they have no idea where countries are located? I am always preparred to give a geography & political science lesson each time I even mention my husband is from Czech Republic. 9 times out of 10 I get a "where's that?" I start with saying its in central europe. Most times this is met with a blank stare. Sometimes folks still don't know where its at when I then say it's bordered by Germany, Poland, Slovakia, & Austria. The 1 time out of 10 get it confused Yugoslavia. Which I then have to say "no Tito did not rule over them - that was Yugoslavia". And then have to correct them about the country's name - it's Czech Republic not Czechoslovakia. They are two separate countries for a long while now. I cringe to think how can someone get an MBA or worse is a "teacher" and not know these very basic things.

I agree with Debbie, I think young people for quite a few years now have not learned much about other countries of the world. They have no idea where they are, or what might be interesting about them (lots of history education lacking also). We all saw an example of this last November when one of our political candidates didn't know Africa was a continent. Oh well, more room in the rest of the world for those of us who have some knowledge, and interest in other places and a desire to learn more about them. And I personally have to say that it was Rick Steves who actually got me out and over to Europe after dreaming of going there for so long, and just not getting it together to do so. He's the best in my book.

Hello, Rick is the best in my opinion, when it comes to the nitty gritty. Where is the bus stop, how to get to the train station, what are the opening days of museums and what time. And always up to date. As far as places to visit, hotels and restaurants, I make my own decisions. And I read other travel books. But when it comes time to go to Europe again, I will always by a book from him for the above mentioned nitty , gritty. And when we decide to travel with a rail pass, we buy it from Rick.Karin

I think many Americans don't travel because it would take them out of their comfort zone and besides they think the US is so perfect why should they go anywhere else! Remember how upset some people were last summer when Obama went to Berlin and received a raptuous reception? There are, unfortunately, many
isolationists in the US...still today in 2009! They refuse to open their eyes and see that many parts of Europe are outpacing the US, not to mention other parts of the world. The unfortunate failure of the US car industry is an example of a refusal to move forward with the times. A lot of people are stuck in a time warp.

Some will disagree with me but I have increasingly seen this to be true.

So if people travelled more, they would see that the US is not so perfect!!! But this would disturb some too much and challenge their received notions. I still think this is a great country but I am extremely disturbed by some of the ideas I see expressed. This country became great because of a willingness to work hard, try new ideas and a huge influx of immigrants from many nations.

Remember how many people were disturbed that Saint
Rick went to Iran and produced a show there? Personally I think it was great of him to open our eyes a bit more. We cannot be ostriches with our heads in the sand.

Boy will I be flamed on this one but I feel strongly
about this. The US will continue to grow and be strong if we are willing to change and grow and not be satisfied with the status quo.

People travel for all sorts of different reasons. I have a friend who goes to the same condo at the same beach every year with her family, but to her, it's relaxing to know exactly what to expect when she goes there. She wouldn't want to vacation in a place that she wasn't familiar with.

I would hate going to the same place every year. I like the adventure of exploring someplace new. Sure, sometimes we get lost and frustrated and have some bad meals or stay in some questionable places, but it evens out with the great experiences that we have.

People look at me funny when I say I'm taking my kids to Europe. The first thing they ask is "oh, do you have family there?", as if there would be no reason to go otherwise. Contrary to what a German coworker once told my husband, the French will not eat your children.

With Rick's books and way of travel -- I like his philosophies and think the way he pares down the sights is helpful. I think his books are great and should be your bible if it's your first or second trip overseas. After that, venture out a bit.

Fodorites (fodors.com) also seem to have a lot of disdain for Rick. I'm not sure if it's Rick himself or the "paint-by-numbers" travel style that a lot of Rick's admirers pursue (go here, see that, take this picture, eat here, sleep here, go here next).

It's not what Rick teaches, but what a lot of his readers do. If you have ever seen Monty Python's Life of Brian, it reminds me of the "Follow the gourd. No follow the shoe" scene where people just don't get it.

Wow, is it really a black and white issue about Rick?

I find his books extremely useful, but hardly the whole story of a country. I refer to several different guidebooks. You have to in order to get a complete picture.

He also does not cover all of Europe. He was not all that helpful for St. Petersburg, for some reason.

He also is more plaasant on the phone (yes, he personally returned a phone call) then he was in person. Don't ask me why. We do our own research for accommodations, but have found some of his restaurant (not all) referals helpful. But Rick prefers to picnic for lunch often and I could never give up a meal to do that in Europe.

I read some of the posts in that TripAvisor forum. I agree that some of the people there seem kind of narrow-minded and overly critical of Rick. I am an experienced traveler, speak several foreign languages, and don't need Rick to tell me what to do in Europe, but I find a lot of his suggestions helpful, and I especially like his PBS travel shows -- great photography, and in high definition, too!

I was especially puzzled by some people in that forum who put down Rick's suggestion that you carry plenty of cash and wear a money belt -- the implication seemed to be that money belts were only for old people, that real Europeans don't use them, and that this was just a marketing ploy to sell Rick's money belts and neck wallets. What sheer stupidity! These people would quickly change their tune if they lost their money, passport, and credit cards to a pickpocket. Good security isn't very sexy, but it's essential.

Maryann makes some excellent points. I generally don’t like to paint with a broad brush, because it’s never that simple. And, there are some very good and pragmatic reasons we don’t get out much beyond our own borders. Many Americans with means and the desire to take a vacation, however, choose not to travel overseas for variety of very common reasons: lack of interest, plenty to see here, education level, general ignorance, cultural ignorance, superiority complex, ignorance of history, political ideology, nationalism, fear, prejudices, etc. They may, in fact, take a holiday at Sandals and consider that to be sort of exotic and cultured, but that’s as far as they’ll go. Most Americans don’t even hold a passport! They may go to Bristol, TN for a NASCAR race, but they sure aren’t going to Bristol in England. Iceland, France, Austria, Tokyo, India…what? Why the heck would I go there?!? I know a retired gentleman who travels around the world with his wife but refuses to go to France (because of de Gaulle) or Germany (because of WWII). His poor wife would love to go to France. Yuck, this reply sounds really negative! Now, I need to go place a happy response somewhere else on the Helpline.

As for Rick, he’s not as well-known in Europe, because his market is here. I’m not sure why tripadvisor members in the UK would care, unless, perhaps, they see him as extension of the America they don’t like. I love his stuff and employ it as one of my travel tools, but I also use Let’s Go and will reference others, such as Lonely Planet or Rough Guides. I’ve looked at Time Out but haven’t really used any of their material.

As I have stated before, we visited 8 European countries in 8 weeks and were amazed at the number of Americans. Americans everywhere.

This is a large continent and Americans seem to travel to all of them. We have such a large choice.

The planes seem to always be full departing and returning to the USA.

I disagree with Rick on some of his politics; however, in my opinion he has a top TV Travel series and great travel books that are very informative. I also recommend his products as I have many.

We must remember, he is an American and perhaps Europeans favor their own travel specialists.

In the early 80's, I bought his book Europe Through the Backdoor and it inspired me to visit Europe after realizing one did not have to go 1st class all the way.

Keep up the good work Rick!

For a considerable number of Americans, Europe is a calling they simply do not hear. For whatever reasons, it does not appeal to them.

More for the rest of us to enjoy.

Some people are afraid to travel to Europe because (1) they think it's too expensive, and (2) they would need to learn too many foreign languages, LOL

Some more comments:

Hawaii is the US and therefore safer! Plus, they speak English there.

Mexico is much closer. Who wants to fly overnight anyway?

Europeans are so arrogant.

And last but not least:

What do they have there that we can't see/do here??????

I skimmed through all of the TA posts mentioned and they really got me to thinking about why I like Rick's books/philosophy so much. I was also one that was inspired by watching his TV shows in the 1990s with my father (every Saturday at 6 pm!) but never dreamed I would ever actually have the money, time, or courage to travel to Europe. Then I got a full-time teaching job, saved up, and went to Europe on my own that very first summer, armed with a youth Eurail pass, Rick Steves, Let's Go, and the HI hostelling guide. I've been back to Europe as many times as possible since. I still have friends, family, and colleagues who can't believe I go to Europe, alone, not with a tour, on my teaching salary, and more than once in my lifetime. (I've been 3 times in the last 7 months--utterly jaw-dropping to most people I know.)

I remember seeing the movie While You Were Sleeping and being so confused why the girl dreamed of going to Florence, Italy. It was just so foreign to me that anyone would know anything about Europe, especially about a specific town. Europe was more of a large unknown to me. And that's what I love about Rick's books. So I get it into my head that I want to go to Croatia (or Spain or Ireland...). Well what are the tourist highlights of Croatia, since I don't know anyone who's been there? How could I string the highlights together on the cheap without having a car? Once I've read his guide, I can go to other guidebooks, the Internet, etc., for more info, but his books are the best first step for me.

Also, as a weird aside, I don't like the Eyewitness/DK books with all the pictures because I like to see the places in person!

Do I like Rick...ya he is fine...I enjoy alot of shows and tips....
do I agree with his politics....I honestly don't care about his politics that is not why I watch and read his books.

do I think there are better travel hosts....most definatly.....I don't find him dynmaic enough for me and dare I say it I find him a bit on the dull side.

but I still watch...I enjoy rudy maxa a bit better and some of the lonely planet people.

I'd have to agree with much of what Debra and Cate said. The US is so huge (France, largest in Western Europe, land wise, is only 7% of the US area) and there is so much to see here that some people never seem to have the desire to go overseas. Couple that with limited vacation/time and money (for people in the western US it is easy to get to Hawaii than the UK) and it is easy to see why many don't go, although I think it is a mistake not to explore at least once.

For some people exploring new things and cultures is an adventure for others it is a hassle. They want to use their limited time off to simply relax (often on a beach) and be pampered and not be stressed out over new foods, languages, customs, etc.

First times I went to Europe Rick wasn't even a gleam in his Dad's eyes. I fell in love with Europe then, 1951, especially Roma and Firenze, and had gone back often when Rick cam along with his hotel and restaurant recommendations. I found them to be very accurate. Rudy Maxa, I believe,seems to take kick-backs from the hotels he visits and I don't like his swarmy attitude. I like Rick's travel philosophy but I do not care for some of his politics. I do not believe that if we all got together for a big group hug the world would suddenly become a better place. There are some bad people in the world and they do not respond to loving attention. On the other hand I have learned that one will have a happier, more fullfilled life if you approach it with an open hand and an open heart. Rick tries to lay out your choices and expects you to MAKE choices and use your own mind and likes and dislikes. Rick is an intelligent, happy, optimistic person if a bit naive, which is a good combination. And finally, Rick is a very intelligent man and creative in the bargain. You won't find better and you could do worse. Rudy for example.

I like Rick Steves for his travel philosophy. Sometimes I watch Samatha Brown on the Travel Channel. While I enjoy her I'll-try-anything style, she travels more upscale than I do. I'm definitely a low-scale traveler who avoids franchise lodging and restaurants in favor of mom-and-pop places. And while I use Rick Steves' guidebooks, I also especially like the Lonely Planet guidebooks. In Africa Lonely Planet is to backpack-style travelers as Rick Steves is to many people traveling in Europe.

As for why some Americans do not travel to Europe, I've heard people say: there's enough to see here in the US, they are afraid of language barriers, no place else could be as good as the US, they can't drive there (either to get there or while there), they're afraid of flying over the ocean, they simply have no interest in other countries, why visit Europe where the people don't like Americans, it's too expensive, ... lots of reasons, some of which are certainly authentic for people, others of which are likely a cover for deeper reasons. Last year I met a 96-year-old small-town woman I assumed had never been out of Indiana. Turned out she and her husband had traveled to over 40 countries! I love being surprised by people like her.

One reason for not traveling to Europe is some folks are worried that it won't live up to their expectations.

It sounds silly, but my in-laws took their first trip to Europe last year for their 25th anniversary. My mother-in-law dreamed of Paris for years, watched Paris movies, collected Paris-themed home decor, etc. When they got back, the first thing she said was, "There was so much graffiti," as if Paris should have been exempt from normal urban problems. I think they almost wish they had kept Europe as a dream. While they were looking so hard for the fairytale Paris, they missed the dynamic, modern city in all its real-life splendor. Unrealistic expectations and lack or preparation can ruin a trip. They're now avoiding Italy because they don't want to be disappointed again! Heartbreaking!

Emma....that's tragic! I wonder if exposing them to a travel DVD on Italy today would help ease them into a decision to go? The cheery Italian peasant aboard his donkey is a thing of the past, but perhaps they might be intrigued by the modern facilities (always a big hit with older travellers) along with all the history still to be seen.

Pamela, this is a very sad story. Maybe you can go with them to Italy and show them the way. Good luck and happy travels. Karin

Happily, its not my parents who were disappointed. My parents first went to Europe in 1954 dumping with my grandmother while they went on a much delayed honeymoon to Scotland, England, France and Switzerland! Since then they've been back to Scotland and to Scandinavia. They encouraged all of us to travel widely.

Emma, I traveled with my parents back to Scotland for third visit a few years ago. It was a wonderful trip. Maybe you can do a trip with them and help them recapture the magic.

Pam

Love the posts!

Wow, lots of venom for Rick on TripAdvisor. That place is good for finding out which hotels have bedbugs, but I've never used it for much else.

I've always found Rick's shows to be informative and they allow me to travel vicariously even when I'm at home. When I heard about his politics, he became a personal hero of mine. His guidebooks are not really my cup of tea, mainly because he's targeting a different demographic. And I don't have a moneybelt (I survived 8 years in NYC without being pickpocketed, so I think I can make it 2 weeks in Paris). But I do adhere to much of his travel philosophy. And his blog is refreshingly honest.

So to each his own. Rick, if they're talking about ya, you must be doing something right.

Is it just me? Is it my generation or where I live or how I grew up (none of which is anything special, abnormal, or unique, btw)? I honestly don't know any Americans who don't see the value in international travel or who are ignorant to the world outside our borders. At my work - an office full of very different people who are mostly in their mid-late 20s (who grew up in Massachusetts, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Virginia, and California, just to name a few) - we have been to, and/or studied all over Europe, Thailand, Vietnam, China, and not one but two people are planning trips to Peru this fall. Conversely, I think many people are "Europe-elitist" and say, I am cultured because I travel outside the US, and those who stay in the US are overpatriotic xenophobes or something. I wonder if these people have visited a maple syrup factory in vermont or a native american pueblo in New Mexico or driven across the uniquely beautiful Louisiana bayous, just to name a few. I think it's true that a lot of people run to go overseas because it's in and "cultured" and have never really seen most of the wonderful things the US has to offer. I'm not suggesting, at all, that the US is a "better" travel destination than Europe, but just because people elect to spend their money differently doesn't mean they don't appreciate different cultures and different places. There ARE many redeeming qualities about traveling in the US, and I personally am glad my parents chose to travel throughout this country when I was growing up. Now that I am older, I would prefer to travel and see the rest of the world, but I think part of that comes from the fact that I have seen and experienced my own country so profoundly it only made me yearn to see everywhere else and see the mix of cultures that makes the US such a special, diverse, unique place.

Have to say that I am wondering on which forum on Trip Advisor all these comments are about Rick Steves. I only hang out on the Germany one and can honestly say I have never even seen his name mentioned, let alone "dissed". Trip Advisor is wonderful for being able to ask questions from people who live in the towns or cities you are going to, for really accurate information. I think its value is far more than just hotels. I like that forum as much as I like this one, but they are both very, very different. It is alot more international too.

Now Fodors or Lonely Planet are a completely different story. They are all over Rick on those. Fodors is this kind of elitist sort of forum, where you get folks asking for hotel rooms for 400 a night and that you should spend a month in each city, etc. Not very friendly unless you fit their sort of personality. The Lonely Planet people are just, well, different. For sure a lot younger, and edgier if you know what I mean.

I like Rick. He is a nerd, but he is funny and I don't see any problem with his politics either.

I don't like the way he only covers small sections of places( honestly if I see one more poster ask about a hotel in the " Rue Cler" area,, likes its some sort of holy mecca I will puke) but I don't throw the baby out with the bath water either.

I find my hotels on ta. its a great forum for that, plus, frankly I like that its a more international board,, lots of expats and locals on it to help out with very specific questions sometimes.

I do think Rick does "Europe 101" really well, and his tips are pretty darn good too.. and I especially like his travel light philosophy.

Ricks a neat guy,, I have been to two of his talks and he is as funny as he is on tv.. He has raised two great kids too..

I even don't mind that he has the worst accent I have ever heard on his French segements.. I think he embodies a happy go lucky type of traveller who is open minded and smart enough to do a little homework to get the most out of their trip.

Otter, you need to come to Germany then. It is hard to find a German who hasn't been to the states. I think my ex M-I-L was the only person I know who hasn't been there.

I use Rick's books as a guideline for many of my trips, but do not stick to it like it is a bible. Lonely Planet and Time Out are my back up. I do use Trip Advisor, but mostly to double check the sleeps to narrow down the winner. Though I must say, folks need to take some of the reviews with a grain of salt. Some of them are from very narrow minded folks with very little international travel experience that expect the sleeps to be like in the USA.
I do agree that folks should see the USA along with the rest of the world. My hubby & I usually plan short trips to specific USA destinations each year and a longer trip to Europe as well.
It has also been my experience that the Europe elitists are folks that have a mental flaw in themselves. Personally, I have been traveling to Europe and around the USA for 23 years. What I find is both sides of the pond can learn from each other.
In my previous post I stated many Americans don't know where countries are due to lack of education. I did not say all. I work at coporate for a world wide company in the Silcon Valley with an even mix of American and international folks. Working closely together we eliminate many pre-existing notions that all have of each country. It's a great thing. We give tips to each other on where to go, eat, sleep on our vacations. But I do have to say there are a few Americans, that even with rubbing elbows with Europeans each day, still have no idea where on the map their coworkers come from. On the other side there are some Europeans that have no clue on the distances between USA cities or states.
Lastly, the supposed langauge barrier and travel time excuses not to travel to Europe much of the time stem from the same ignorance of not knowing where countries are on a map. If Americans received better education concerning geography, political, & social aspects of peoples of the world then it would be a non issue for many. It's the fear of the unknown keeping them in the USA.

Oh & one last thing - many of the short trips we take in the USA cost the same or more than the ones we take to Europe. So the money issue is a moot point in my book, as it would mean those folks could not afford a USA vacation. It would be better if these folks just come out and say they can't afford a vacation away from home instead of saying they can't afford Europe. During these economic times that would be very understandable.

"I even don't mind that he has the worst accent I have ever heard on his French segements" I can assure you... his Dutch pronunciation is even worse!

Interesting comments on both forums.

"So, what do you think keeps Americans home between the shining seas? Is it the money? the time?"

But even in a recession, a huge number of Americans DO travel overseas. I'm not seeing as many this year, but Americans (and Canadians) in Europe are still hardly a rarity. Maybe the converse question could apply equally... Why, with so many great North American destinations, do so many Americans and Canadians travel to Europe?

I have a friend who says he won't go anywhere he couldn't drive back from if he had to! I really can't understand that way of thinking. We've been to Europe more than 40 times in just over 20 years. Haven't been able to go in almost 2 years due to my mother-in-law's health. I am actually homesick for the UK!!! and Austria, and Norway..... oh well-- soon maybe!

Tom asked a good question, which made me recall something I read recently. There are just as many European travelers who love the U.S. and love touring our country as much as we love touring Europe. It sort of reminded me that some of the best places in the world can be found right here. This fall, I’ll need to catch Ken Burns’ documentary series on the national parks.

Well this is one reason I don't travel all over my own country,, although I have been to all the western provinces and one eastern one) .. is ,,, its so darn BIG it would take me 4 or 5 days to drive across it ( meanwhile in Europe I could have traversed 4 or 5 countries in same time.. LOL) and it cost me MORE to fly from my home to Halifax then it did to fly to Paris or London.. supply and demand apparently.

Like many posters we travelled alot around our own country as children( the carload of us,, with a styrofoam cooler filled with hard boiled eggs, fried chicken and throw up bucket for the carsick ones( not related to food, LOL ) camping or staying on motels,, and as adults we have done same with our kids when they were younger, ( only with an RV with a/c and t.v,, lucky kids, LOL ) but, as they became young teens we decided we wanted our kids to see more of the world.. To get a sense that our ways and customs are not the only ways etc. My hubby and I both had chances to travel to Europe as kids to visit family and I think that helped up open our minds to it, same as Rick.

I do beleive in seeing your own country,, but that does not exclude seeing others eventually. I was not the type to take a 4 yr old to Europe,, but my 14 yr old ,, well of course.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a co-worker who was no interest in ever going to Europe but has enjoyed trips to California, Hawaii, New York, and other North American places. I can only sum it up like this : where I see a breathtaking European streetscape with olde worlde charm, she sees a crumbling old wreck. As far as the Rick debate goes, I think his books are good for certain locations but of course by no means comprehensive. I also enjoy them as general reading (even if there is no trip on the horizon), because his enthusiasm shines through the writing moreso than the other guidebooks. Sometimes I wonder if people are jealous that he's turned his passion into a business that is no doubt incredibly profitable, and spends his whole life either in Europe, or working on sharing Europe with others.

"Sometimes I wonder if people are jealous that he's turned his passion into a business that is no doubt incredibly profitable". Yes, including myself, although I would not want his noteriety.

Rick used to be the alternative to other mainstream guidebooks. But, now, Rick IS the mainstream. Many people avoid the most popular travel guides because, well, they want to go off the beaten path. It has been a concern of mine as well and I tend to not stay at Rick recommended hotels anymore as they, in my experience, book up quickly and are full of Americans :-)

I would also like to counterpoint the "why don't more Americans travel beyond Mexico and the Caribbean?" In all my travels, all the countries, I have only met a handful of people who have traveled to the US and that is always one of the first things I ask them. Obviously, that isn't some involved scientific study. But, while Europeans have a LOT of places to go within Europe, I have found that very few ever make it to the States. I don't fault them anymore than I fault someone to just travels in the US, it would take a lifetime to experience everything in one of these two great places.

Debbie, you are so right! We went to Myrtle beach about 5 years ago for three weeks and that trip cost us as much as a trip to Europe! Crazy.

My daughter loves Rick! She was so funny the other day. We were switching channels looking for something good to watch, and she caught sight of Rick doing one of his shows. To my shock, she declared, "I love Rick, let's watch his show!" This from a teen.

Maybe I should write Rick asking him for an autographed photo of himself to give her for Christmas????

See Pat from Canada, not all Americans rave about our country! If anything, there are many negatives we say about our own country. Nothing wrong for having pride for our country! America is going through a hard time right now, so thinking about some positives is healthy! And the term "Ugly American",(I'm not saying anyone on this thread is using this term)
That's the only thing I wish Rick didn't start, using that term. Now some Non-Americans(not all of course) may think all Americans are ugly. Even other Americans say that, and I think that is sad. No, we don't all rave about our country. Rick says he loves America, but sometimes I wonder.
Nadine, Americans not knowing much geography, very true!
I once told someone that my daughter in law comes from Riga Latvia. She said that she didn't know she was from Africa!!
Ohhhh! That about made me sick!!! She needs to look at a world map!!

RS didn't invent the term "Ugly American". The term originated as the title of a 1958 book by authors William Lederer and Eugene Burdick.

Some people just cannot think past their own doorstep. I live near poeple my age(mid 40's) who have never left the state of MN. I am a transplant to this state and I understand what there is so much to love about it. I think well read people seem to travel more often thatn not. I have been to most of the 50 states but it was long after I went to Europe many years ago. Traveling takes you out of your comfort zone and some people just don't like that. My husband and I met traveling and have already passed that love of travel on to our children. We are taking a side trip to Paris because he has been wanting to go to the Eiffel tower since he was 5. We recently saw Gweneth Paltrow on a public TV travel show. He asked me if I have been to Spain and I said I had not. His next question was "Can we go to Spain?"

There are wonderful places to visit in the US. But I also love Europe and Canada. I do think it is time and money that keeps many Americans from traveling to Europe. Several of my friends are really surprised how cheap we do Europe. Being a landlocked state many people here love to travel to the Ocean and you can go to Mexico and the Caribbean alot cheaper than Europe.

As for Rick Steves his shows kept me dreaming of Europe the years I could not afford to go. I think his guidebooks are great but I do supplement them with at least one other guidebook.

I only went thru a cpuple of RS's books and didn't like them beacuse they are for beginner and they don't seem to be well organized. However I watch RS TV shows and I like him as a person, but I use other books to do my reasearch.
About why many Americans don't travel to Europe. I don't believe it's the money.It's the time, vacation time is really short in this country, unless you work for the gov. Many American believe that USA is better than Europe in many ways and can't deal with the lower life style conditions: such as not having a dish washer or laundramat at every corner. Another thing is that Europe is about culture which many Americans don't care.
And as others said many Americans like to travel within US and go to same places over and over again, whic I would never do.

Many Americans have no idea of geography and have no interest in the world beyond the United States. If you are interested in geography it has to be pursued as a personal program and not something taught in schools. My daughter lamented that she did not have to do world geography in high school as I did but I was educated in Trinidad (the British system). We do not get enough information about the world through the main stream media in my opinion. They would follow a boring car chase for several hours on the news and tell you the same thing over and over instead of giving us some international news or even news about other states. When I used to be be a travel agent I had a coworker who went to Las Vegas over and over and over again instead of taking advantage of our free or discounted tickets to an international destination, and she admitted that she had no interest in traveling to other countries (this from a travel agent!). She knew Las Vegas and seemed happy to be in Las Vegas all the time. Another coworker alway wanted to hear about my European travels but she herself never traveled anywhere. The reason: She was taught by her mother to be wary of strangers and she was paranoid about what she would find in Europe. All very sad but to me these things can be overcome with a little education. When I was a teenager I had a pen-pals from Scotland, India, Germany and a few other places so that also give me a desire to travel and see the world. To me if you want to travel there is nothing in the world to hold you back. You read and learn and educate yourself and have a great attitude then you are on your way. Respect other cultures and don't expect the United States be everywhere you go and you would have a fantastic time.

On the upside there are military types who are traveling. When I was in Prague we sat a table next to a couple of young military types who were out for the weekend traveling. They said that they were going all over Europe on the weekends. So cheers to them. I do remember too, though, the GIs we met in German back in the 70's. They kept inviting our study group to parties on the base, but we wanted to head out and travel!

Let me say as a Canadian I have wonderful friends who are american. In fact one of my best friends is American. I have met wonderful Americans when I travel the U.S. and when I travel Europe.
Every country has good and bad.....it is just some countries have a worse reputation than others for various reasons which sometimes can be related to a countries politics. Just like everyone who says all french are rude...not in my experience!!!!

Rick responds to his critics:

Nadine's post is a great one. I know people who go to Myrtle Beach every year. They are intrigued when I talk about the Riviera, but their fear and lack of knowledge would keep them from ever going there. America is a big country and there is a lot to see, but we have to do a better job of educating people about the world. Learn to challenge your assumptions.

Lisa,, I HAVE NEVER called anyone an "UGLY AMERICAN" and my posts on this top shouldn't offend anyone,, except maybe nerds..

Actually did you read my posts on this topic,,,, I didn't even mention Americans.. so I am not sure why you are attacking me with " See Pat" ??

Wow, Maggie are you saying I'm an elitist too? That's a very strong judgement from someone who is saying not to judge people. And interesting considering I have think I was pretty clear about not having anything against traveling USA vs Europe, since I do both myself. And I think I pretty much already said that both sides of the pond can learn from each other. My biggest beef (other than the lack of world education in USA schools previously discussed) are folks that cover up their fears of the unknown through ignorance with other excuses such as time or money, which is lying to me and themselves. If they are afraid to go or have an ongoing responsiblily keeping them home, then they should say so. That is much better than putting travel foriegn or domestic down. Voicing the real concerns with others can get them help with the responsiblilies so they can go somewhere or have current info supplied to bring down fears. And while staying home does not mean a person is a zenophobe, it can turn them into one over a long period of time by making their view of the world very small. Especially true if they are only getting a view of the outside world from the news on TV. BTW, the folks that have come clean with me have received my assistance with planning their trips. Some have traveled with me domestic and international. It was very satisfying to see someone this year overcome their fear of flying and complete their first plane trip at 66 yrs of age. I went with her domestic to try it out. She actually liked it & talking about going to Australia soon of all things!

Nothing wrong with visiting Myrtle Beach every year. I have visited Ocean City, NJ, most of the summers since I was born, and I plan to continue until I die. And I also travel to Europe frequently.

One unpleasent undercurrent I'm starting to pick up on this thread... making value judgements against people who don't travel. Some people are simply not interested, and that goes for Europeans as well. My in-laws, and many of ther friends, rarely leave their home province in Belgium. There's nothing wrong with not traveling, for whatever reason. I choose to travel, but that doesn't make me any better or worse of a person.

Lisa: you are the only one inserting negative comments on this thread. It saya a lot about you.
Also be careful how you use the word AMERICA as
it includes Canade. You should refer to the US if that is what you mean

Sorry Maryann, but your last post needs some correcting. America is a term that references the USA (United States of AMERICA). If you reference "North America" then you include Canada and Mexico.

When people around the world talk about "Americans," they mean citizens of the USA. (A Canadian is a Canadian and a Mexican is a Mexican.)

Call a Canadian an "American" or suggest they live in America...and you will be quickly corrected.

I have been staying off the board for awhile and staying away from these arguments back and forth.

I agree with Tom's statement a few posting back. Travel is an individual interest. Just because people here like traveling to Europe doesn't mean those who dont' are stupid, uneducated or close minded. They take the kind of vacations that they like. They aren't wrong or right; they're doing what they prefer.

And it also surprises me how many here will put down those who go to Europe but don't want to stay in hostels, guest houses or B & B's. Or those who bags larger than carry-on.

The message I'm hearing is...."anyone who travels differently than me is doing it wrong." I say let people do whatever they want. No one is forcing you to change what you do.

Tom’s right. Some choose to travel, some choose not to, and some can’t travel at all but would love to. It may be true that some Americans with the means and desire to travel choose not to venture outside of our borders for a lot of very common reasons previously noted (and I’ve had some fun with this). Still, it doesn’t mean that those of us who may travel extensively both in and outside of the U.S. are somehow better people. I’m certainly no better than an Ecuadorian immigrant friend I’ve met through teaching ESL who has worked full-time for 13 years in the U.S. at the same multi-national corporation for low wages and no paid time off, ever. He can take time off, but it’s not paid, and he doesn’t travel. I guess my point is that there are practical reasons for not traveling, and we should probably acknowledge and remember this. And for those of us who do travel, there are lots of places to go and lots of ways to go about it. I may like my travel preferences, but it doesn’t mean that I’m better than anyone else, nor does it mean that I’m right while others are wrong. I don’t mean to get too philosophical…just want to stay grounded.

Call a Canadian an "American" or suggest they live in America...and you will be quickly corrected.VERY TRUE lol. 4 very "ugly" Canadian travellers ended up with us in Orvieto last year. They were noisy, know it alls, knew no Italian and were quite demanding of time and attention. The man behind us actually missed his train because it took the 4 of them so long to figure out how to buy the trains tickets. One woman paid for all the tickets then each one of them had to get money changed to pay her back. While we were waiting on the platform for our train to Rome I saw them lumbering out onto the platform with all their luggage. Unfortunately they were on the platform for the train to Florence. While I was STRONGLY tempted to let them get on that train--- I called out as the train approached that they were on the wrong platform for Rome. After I did that they complained that they couldn't get their luggage down the stairs to the underpass so my husband and another American man went and helped them. We noticed that all of their luggage and even their jackets had prominent plastic tags and or buttons with the red maple leaf. When I mentioned that they were cute one of the women said "Oh we want to be sure that people don't think we're Americans." apparently oblivious to the insult to the three people that saved them from getting on the wrong train. My husband smiled and said "Thank you we really appreciate that.

Tom is right but while I don't think we are being judgemental about people who do not travel for whatever reason, we are more talking about people who dismiss travel as being impractical or nonsensical without giving it a try. There are those too, who though they never travel are quite willing to tell you the traveler all the reasons you should not travel.Then there are those with rather irrational excuses for not traveling and though you tell them otherwise they are just not willing to give it a shot themselves.Again it comes back to individual taste. If you are happy going to Las Vegas 10 times a year good for you but at the same time if you fear Europe or Asia and just feel comfortable only in America then obviously some education about other culture, history etc. is required. But I think it comes down to personal interest. You will always do what interest you. If you wish to travel you will learn.If travel holds no interest for you then then you will have million excuses for not doing it. Thats hard to understand as travelers I know but there it is.

Sorry Lisa ,, totally disagree with you , which is my right ,, or are rights only for "Americans"..??

You came on this thread and posted a personal jibe,, after I had posted NOTHING wrong..

I am not going to have you following all my posts on any thread you like and bringing up that you were choked about something I said on another thread. That is weird and stalkerish,, so if you continue I will contact webmaster to watch your posts dear.

This has nothing to do with Americans per se,, but everything to do with odd people. So ,, stop feeling sorry for yourself. I do not feel sorry for the United States and as noted by another poster who is a citizen of your country,, "Americans brag very well". That was their post,, but I don't see you griping about that post,, or is it just Canadians you think you can attack for voicing an opinion you don't agree with??

As for the "America" "Americans" or "North Americans" discussions,, well its funny , on more international forums I have definately been told that when someone says "American" they could in fact mean "North American".. but I personally consider "Americans " to be those from States,, but understand both ways of using it. People with a broader world view may use the term American more broadly I suppose.

And to be totally back on topic,, food on a stick is something you are proud of???..LOL too funny. . NOw,, that was a bit insulting,,but hey,, its food on a stick...

BTW that thread has vanished,, guess the moderators thought it didn't belong on this forum either( and no,, I did not complain about it,, if it was removed it wasn't because of me.. )

What about the Bulgarians? I haven’t read an opinion yet on whether or not they’re ugly as tourists. I wonder if they have the same kind of issues with, say, the Romanians. You know...we’re universally loved…no you’re not, etc.

I think Nadines post has hit the nail on the head.. its not that one doesn't travel abroad,, or chooses not to,, but WHY one doesn't..

Just read Maggies post below,, and Maggie,, your friends reasons for not travelling abroad are very sensible.. its not that the are suspicious of other countries customs, or cultures,, which is what I think some of us are saying is a poor reason not to try travelling overseas( if one can afford it) but they ( your friends) all have good reasons that have nothing negative in them.. ps.. your friend who chooses to spend one week doing Habitat for Humanity sounds like a neat person, and the other one who visits family ,, well of course.. family comes first!

I do see this thread taking an elitist turn--- that somehow European travel is superior to travelling within one's own country. I think Debbie's broad brush judging others people's reasons for being able to afford travel really misses the mark.Travel falls under a broader category of Leisure/Recreation. For some that might mean relaxing at home with a home theater system, for some it might mean twice a week golf games, for some it might be camping with family, for some a cruise with friends, for some a chance to see faraway friends or family members.Leisure is an equasion that involves interests + discretionary spending + time. No two people will have the same numbers to put into that equasion. It REALLY is ok to not be interested in travel. It doesn't make you a zenophobe--- it just make you YOU. If you love travel but don't have the money for a European vacation the fact is that most domestic travel actually is going to cost less than foreign travel. I'm not saying you can't find ways to make the trip more expensive but overall a domestic trip is going to be less expensive. Some people are looking at college expenses or private school tuition, or braces. Some are caring for elderly parents. Some are seeing longtime workers at their place of employment being laid off and wonder if they are next.Time and your time of life are another factor. I have a friend who gets 4 weeks of vacation but can't take more than one at a time. I have another friend who spends her three weeks visiting each of her three out of town children. Both would love to see Europe and hound me for photos and trip reports within moments of my plane touching down. I have a friend who uses three of her four weeks working with Habitat for Humanity and the 4th week working on her own house. I have another friend who's never been out of the country but hosted 17 exchange students in the last 20 years.Why do we need to judge others????

People who chose not to travel to Europe or anywhere outside the States are likely afraid of the unknown. Our cousin, for example, who lives in Southern California was leery of the logistics and planning for such a trip, but his wife was gung ho and of Italian heritage who wanted to visit Italy. They just got back from a Mediteranean cruise (I know, hardly a good way to see Italy, but that was what you call a compromise). She has now caught the bug and though he won't admit it, so has our cousin.

Sometimes it just takes the nerve to make that first effort to see what everyone here already knows.

You need to reread my post Debbie--- I said the THREAD seemed to be taking an elitist turn I never called you are anyone and elitist. I did challenge your assertation that people who say they don't have the money must somehow be lying because your own domestic vacation was more expensive than your European vacation. Then I'd ask you to reread your own posts. Why does anyone owe someone else an explanation for how they spend your time and money. I"m sorry that's just silly.Pat you totally freaked me out referencing my post that followed--- until I remembered that on this board we can go back and change posts. I thought you were psychic for a few minutes LOL.To get back to Pamela's original question... For some in this uncertain ecconomy it's the money for sure. Time is a factor too-- since most people I know don't do a "non North American" vacaton with less that 2 weeks. Several people I know are working their vacation time this year for the extra cash. Another factor that may come into play is that with all the stress of their worklife, some people are using vacation time to simply catch up with the rest of their lives. Another factor is that some people just don't like the extra hassles of post 911 airtravel and or the airlines choice to squeeze passengers in like cattle. We have a friend who has quit travelling outside the US because she's tall and has arthritis and can't tolerate the crampled airline seats for more than a few hours. Bottom line --- I feel no need to justify our six trips to Italy in the last 4 years--- and I don't feel anyone who doesn't choose to travel owes anyone and explanation for how they choose to enjoy themselves. I appreciate people being different it makes life so much more interesting.

I don't mean to change the topic, but have to comment about the food on a stick. I've been to China many times. My husband is Chinese and we go there often.
In China we eat food on a stick with many different kinds of food. Starfish is a real treat on a stick. I was born and raised in Canada, and I get excited about food on a stick. The child in me I guess.
Just wanted to point that out.
Back to topic. I really like Rick Steves. His guide books are always helpful to me, and his website and his blog are fantastic. I'm so glad I discovered this site yesterday! It will take me some time to read through it all, and also how to post here.

Monica - Thank you for returning this thread to an interesting topic!

You're welcome BG.
I will try to keep on topic because Rick Steves deserves an helpline that is appropriate.

One thing I like about Rick ( but not the only thing) is that Rick himself goes "off topic" all the time.. This is also one thing some of his detractors hate.. they will complain tht they don't want to hear about his world views,, his views on pot smoking, or his views on politics .. they only want to hear about travel.. but, he gives them anyways.

This heated thread has approached 70+ replies, and Godwin's Law has not yet applied. If we get to 100 and it still hasn't happened, I suggest we either call the Guiness Records people, or someone simply type the "H" word.

oh, Tom, you are tempting fate aren't you? Does it count that you even brought it up?

There seem to be a lot of people who think that most Americans are dumb hicks who "don't know nothin'." It is true that more Europeans travel internationally than Americans do, but I think that might have something to do with the fact that if you go more than an hour and a half in any one direction you are in a new country! (unless you are traveling up the boot of Italy) When I go to Disney World, I see a LOT of Americans there - I know they can't all be from Florida, so they must be traveling some pretty great distances to get here. If they were in Europe they would need a passport (at least until recently) and would be considered internationally traveled.

I'm with the rest of you in that I don't understand how you could NOT want to go to Europe. That is why we are all on this board after all. However, that doesn't mean everyone who choses not to go, for whatever reason, is an idiot who should be featured on Jay Leno's "Jaywalkin'" segment. Of course we have our share of ignorant boobs - so does everyone else. I would put money on the idea that if you took the European population as a whole, less than 25% have been to the US outside of New York or Disney World and less than 50% have been here at all. The fact that they travel internationally across Europe doesn't count - it is hard not too. I would also put money on them not knowing the names of all 50 states and I bet the statistics are pretty similar to the American ones if you ask an average European to put the 50 states on a map.

Just because you have been somewhere does not make you better cultured, more well read, or smarter than people who haven't been. I think the worst American travelers are those who judge everyone and everything they see. By judging others who don't travel, you are doing the same thing.

I agree completely with Pat in her last comment.
I think Rick is about the most genuine person going.
You may not like some of his non=travel comments, but he has a perfect righ to air them. I give him lots of credit for having the guts to stick to his beliefs and not waffle in order to attract more customers!!!! And just maybe his ideas will stimulate someone to think for a change!

I don't agree with a lot of Rick's travel tips and I think he has spoiled some areas. Sometimes it is like he is talking to a bunch of kids. I also think he oversimplifies a lot of travel and gives some bad advice....like taking overnight trains.

If I was going somewhere I have never been, I would probably look at his book in the library as I tend
to read everything but I would not depend on it.

Maryann in New Jersey writes in a previous post: "I also think he oversimplifies a lot of travel and gives some bad advice....like taking overnight trains."

I chuckle when I read these posts. So, because a person has a less than positive overnight train experience - Rick gives bad advice??? C'mon now, I have traveled often and taken overnight trains, and will do so again this fall, and it was a far superior experience than any European flight...
Your opinion is just that - your opinion - just as Steve's is his. (I think I would err on the side of Steve however.)Please allow travelers to make their own decisions and not sabotage what could be a very enjoyable experience by negative comments. If you have specific suggestions to assist travelers in making it a better experience - that would be appreciated. To say traveling on night trains is bad advice is just plain ridiculous to all travelers who have,and will continue, to use them to navigate Europe. Call me crazy, but isn't this the travelers' helpline? All these tedious personal posts waxing philosophical have no business on this site...

Bev,, I am glad you like travelling by night train,, but remember ,, many do not.. and you are correct in saying your experience is no less valid,, but don't put down someone elses either.
I flew from Paris to Rome last year and was very happy with the time and price I spent ,, it was much less then the train,, and yes, I did the numbers.

Of course Rick sometimes gives advice that is going to be considered bad by someone,, no one is perfect or has all the answers. Maryann had a valid opinion. Rick neglects to mention entire areas in some cities,, but I will say,, at least he admits he is not going to cover every where. One thing that is sad to me,, and I am pretty sure not what RS himself would want,,, is people who treat his guide book like a complete Bible and only do what he suggests ,, stay where he suggests, or eat only where he suggests,, since the whole theme of travel he promotes is Europe by the Back Door, and ,, find your own Backdoors!!

One quick note, the posting guidelines say: "All posts must be about European travel." While there might be some quibbling replies have been within that general guideline. There have been some very thoughtful posts that offer differing insights into why and why not Americans choose to travel to Europe as well as what we agree with or don't agree with about Rick Steves, himself, his books, his tours, his website, and of course, his TV shows. The discussion has been longer than I thought, but then we're an opinionated bunch here.

Pam

Even Rick warns about overnight train travel, and has given safety tips! It's easy not to read everything cover to cover, but his warning are in there.
I love Rick's books. His Italy book is in such great detail, and personally, I think there are no other books like his. However, I still read other guide books and even watch other travel shows as well because I love travel so much.

How is it that sharing an opinion somehow morphs into sabotage of another person's decision-making abilities? Isn't it true that there may be differing opinions on the same subject? And, isn't there some value in learning about these alternative points of view? I agree that personal, rude, and/or uncivil comments are not helpful and should not be posted.

There are many types of people travelling, so there should be lots of types of travel guides to suite them.

If it weren't for Rick's How-To approach, I don't know if I would have had the nerve to go to Europe the first time. Now that I've made a few trips, I'm ready to branch out somewhat from his recommendations. That's not dissatisfaction with him or his approach -- I'd like to think that's what he intends.

Between you and me, I don't really want him to recommend other places . . . leave them somewhat untouched and maybe we'll find a few places without swarms. :>)

Overnight trains can be fun in certain circumstances. I've taken Amtrak from San Francisco to Chicago and Via Rail from Vancouver to Toronto. Both were very nice, scenic trips. I've also taken overnight trains from Paris to Barcelona and Barcelona to Madrid -- the latter in the days before the high speed train made it unnecessary.

I would not take an overnight train unless I had my own private compartment, with a locked door. I've seen too many detective movies, such as "Murder on the Orient Express"

i live in the u.s....as i grew up i saw enough of the u.s....i love it ...i get it...but since '92 when i get time off i want to be in unfamiliar places i have not experienced before or go back to places where i did not see everything...a few of my friends are like me and most of the others like spending their vacas in michigan or hilton head etc etc...yes all fine but once is enough...and they seem to spend more staying in the u.s. as i do when i go to europe...i just went to ireland again in june for 10 days and spent less than my friend did in the keys...love the keys but i'll take getting out of my comfort zone every time...

Another thing that keeps a few people home is flying (back to the original topic). I personally am not a huge fan of flying, but some people are even more phobic than I am and cannot force themselves on a transatlantic flight.

I haven't seen anyone say they like RS as a person, like his TV shows, like his guide books, like his tours, like his personal opinions, in general, are happy about it all without any complaints. Well, I do like them all. I go to Europe every summer and have also taken 7 RS tours and can't wait until the next one. I do, however, also check out other guide books, travel shows, and web sites. Keep up the good work Rick.

Hmmm, a lively discussion for sure. Here's my two cents. First, I like Rick...some things he focuses on ( eg churches) are not really my thing, but hey, I'm sure Rick didn't go into business to satisfy just my perspective on the world..lol.., he has a huge and very diverse client base and like any business he can't make the whole world happy. Overall I think he does a great job. As for his political views...I like them and agree with his perspective. Do I have a problem with people who don't share his views? Not at all, as they say around here, it takes all kinds to make a world. As for "ugly Americans" well, there are ugly Americans, ugly Canadians, ugly Europeans, etc,etc, accept it. However, you can't describe an entire nation or continent's people based on your experience with just one or two. In my travels I've met some very rude and arrogant Americans, but I've also met some incredibly warm and friendly Americans as well. Same with my fellow Canadians, I've encountered some who make me embarrased to be called a Canadian, others who make me proud. If you watched Rick's Iran show, the one thing that really stood out for me was that many average Iranians actually want to be friends with the West...again, we can't judge a people based on one individual, or on the attitude of their government. Finally, in any society, there will be those ( like posters here) who love to travel, experience new cultures, etc while others have no desire to travel beyond their own community. Absolutely nothing wrong with either attitude, do what makes you happy...live and let live

Glenn, I really like your post!!
I know Rick personally, but I wouldn't say we're best friends or anything. I know him more through his music, and not really travel, so that's different. Rick is a pianist in case some of you don't know, and a very fine one. Even though I don't know Rick very well, I can tell you he is one of the warmest and funniest men I ever met, and would love to know him even better. But I'm glad I know him a little anyway.

I think there's one simple answer: money. I get all sorts of responses when I tell people about our trips. And they look at me like wow, how did you swing that? And then I tell them that we went to Paris with our Rick Steve's pinic kit and ate out of the grocery stores. Saved a bundle on food. We don't go shopping and list goes on...
I think there's an idea that a European vacation is very expensive and driving to the beach is far less.

For me it is money and needing a passport, however, I do plan on finally traveling to Europe next fall! :)

Although I like this forum, I'm not a fan of Rick Steves. I started off with his guidebooks but quickly switched to Lonely Planet.