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Travel Itinerary Pitfalls/Suggestions: Venice to Amsterdam

Here's our rough plan:

Night 1 Flight to Milan

3 nights/2 days: Varrena on Lake Como. 2-3 hours to Varrena from airport depending on when we land.

6 nights/5 days Venice: 2-3 days touristing Venice/ 2-3 days day-tripping Padua, Verona, and Lagoon Islands.

Overnight train to Prague taking Brenner Pass through Alps during day before night train to Prague.

3 Nights/2 and 1/2 days Prague.

4 Night/3 days Vienna. One day trip to Melk and Krem.

Night train to Cologne including morning view of Rhine; three hours in Cologne, and on to Bruges.

3 nights/two days Bruges day trip to Ghent.

6 Nights/ 5 days Amsterdam. Spend three to four hours in Brussels on way from Bruges to Amsterdam. 2-4 day trips from Amsterdam.

Fly home from Amsterdam.

Notes: This will be a mid June to mid July trip. We could change the order of cities including departure and arrival cities. We prefer not to fly within Europe generally, but would take suggestions about where it makes more sense than the train. We like night trains and all sleep well on them. We love art museums and history museums, but also hiking and city/village atmosphere. We love cathedrals. We like to travel slow but prefer not to see the same thing over and over, i.e. one finely furnished castle every 3 days is plenty. We prefer apartments to hotels. We will eat in or pack a lunch 4 out of five meals but we love to buy local foods preferably at farmers markets. I may take 2-3 half day cooking classes on the way while the family does a half day of other things.

So far we have been to Italy, France, and Britain. All of these cities (except Milan) will be new to us.

Are we doing too much? Suggestions for tweaking the schedule? Are we giving too much or too little time to any city. What cities are best for cooking classes--I want a variety.

Posted by
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I'm sorry, Jen. Your whole itinerary just doesn't flow, and you'd be traveling at warp speed.. These great tourist cities are just not adjacent to each other. You're literally running in circles, and the distances between these cities is highly underestimated.
Italian travel is almost a trip to itself, as getting across the mountains to the north is difficult. As someone that's been to all of your desired cities, may I suggest:
Budapest-Vienna-Prague-Berlin-Amsterdam (Side trips to Melk and/or Cesky Krumlov)
Venice-Innsbruck-Munich-Rhine Valley-Amsterdam (Side trip to Bruge)
Milan-Lake Como-Venice-Florence-Rome. (Milan is going to have an International fair.)

The advent of budget air carriers is great for European travel. It allows you to visit 2 to 3 cities in a cluster, and then visit another city or two in a completely different region. You might could visit Venice, Florence and Rome--and fly cheap to Barcelona, or Stockholm and take a overnight ferry to Helsinki. It opens up travelers to see places they'd not normally go to without breaking the bank.

I would suggest you go back to the drawing board on your trip.

Posted by
570 posts

Your overall itinerary sounds pretty good to me. I looked at the night train from Wien to Koeln, arriving 8:42. The luggage lockers at the station are handy and a couple hours there, with seeing the cathedral, etc., and then on to Bruges, should work well. I haven't looked at the other specific legs, but overall, I'd say go for it!

Posted by
2081 posts

Jen,

i will let others that are in the know about the distances and such comment.

But if you are aware of how fast you are traveling and how little time you are giving those places, then i dont see any issues. Some people travel fast and some dont.

As far as the overnight trains, i did one last year and i didnt get much sleep so those are out unless i can find one with fewer stops in between.

also, if you been to France, the UK and Italy with the same pace, you are full aware of what youre doing.

good luck and happy trails.

Posted by
1976 posts

I agree with David - too much moving around, and too many day trips for the amount of time you're based in cities. With 6 nights/5 days in Amsterdam, I'd take no more than 2 day trips.

You're shortchanging Cologne with only 3 hours. A friend and I stayed there for a night and visited the great art museum (Museum Ludwig), took our time seeing the cathedral and the old town, and went to the Church of St. Ursula, a cool out-of-the-way church with a great saint story attached. There's so much to see; slow down and take your time.

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Thank you all for the input. I should clarify that day trips are possibilities not necessities for us. If we take half the ones we have planned we'll be just as happy. That's more of a what should we do tomorrow kind of decision then a whole trip planning decision.

I see our month long trip as a one one week, and two and one half week trips connected by night trains.

(1) North Italy: 3 nights Varenna and 6 nights Venice (three and one half hours apart by rail--I checked).

(2) Austria and the Czech Republic: 3 nights Prague and 4 nights Vienna (four hours fifteen minutes apart).

(3) Lowlands: 3 nights Bruges and 6 nights Amsterdam (three hours apart by high speed train or five the long way)

The hard travel is connecting the three areas, but we really do well by night train. I know some people don't. Reversing the order we see Varenna and Venice in; or Vienna and Prague would change the night trains somewhat.

We are thinking about taking the scenic train from Milan to Zurich with dinner is Zurich followed by the night train from there to Prague arriving at 10:30 am. That route would be much easier from Varenna since we'd start just an hour or so from Milan making the day train a half rather than a whole day event. On the other hand, the direct sleeper from Venice to Vienna leaves about 9:00pm and arrives at 8am and the night train from Milan to Vienna leaves at 9:30 pm and arrives at 8:30 am. So if we don't take the scenic trip though the alps first there's not much to choose between Varenna and Venice for getting to Vienna. Neither would get us to Prague until early afternoon so if we take the night train only it'll be to Vienna.

Prague/Vienna to Bruges or Amsterdam involves a night train to Cologne (6:30pm to 6:30 am from Prague or 10:45 from to 6am from Vienna) followed by a two and one half train to Amsterdam or a three hour set of trains to Bruges. Either way we'd want breakfast and a walk through town and the cathedral before departing Cologne. I would love to spend more time in Cologne, but in this case it just happens to be where there night train will dump us out and I'm grateful it's cathedral opens very early.

I'd love suggestions about rearranging the time allotment between the cities, or making the two night train trips easier. Or suggestions of substitute cities for Bruges and Varenna for that matter. Or even why we should skip them altogether in favor of more time in Venice, Vienna, Prague, and Amsterdam.

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There used to be a night train from Venice to Prague, but it was hard to confirm, because it was probably just one train car getting shuttled through that whole connection. It was never reflected on DB online schedules, but a live European ticket agent or someone at Euraide could look it up; you can email them at [email protected].