Time Change in Europe

also reminds us here in the USA that this week is an odd one with the time zone conversion, since our clocks change on 04 Nov

Not November 6?

Yes. November 6.

And also, Mexico went back to standard time this morning, and this is the last time we'll be changing. Except for a few municipalities that border the USA, Mexico will no longer be observing Daylight Saving Time.

Ugh. It’s 5:40 and the sun just set here in France. I liked yesterday better.

It is 5 pm here in England and is now completely dark.

It’s a depressing time of year for many.

Timely, just replaced the over the sink light bulb.

I have two extra gooseneck lamps ready to plug in next weekend (probably on the 4th, when I can still see the outlets)

I always look forward to the full moon nights, but more so in winter.

This is the last year for it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/

This is the last year for it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/

Only if the House passes the legislation and the President signs it.

It seems the House cannot even agree what day of the week it is, so don't throw out the instructions on how to change the clock(s) in your house.

And you are correct on all points NVM

I absolutely love daylight time AND the semiannual clock change. Wouldn't appreciate daylight time without the change.

Some of us recall the disaster of year 'round daylight time in 1974. The freak out of parents sending their children to school in pitch black pre-dawn conditions (and the kids kind of freaked out too), the studies showing that more energy was consumed by everyone opening their doors in the coldest part of the day than was saved by more light later in the day, the complete disaster that unfolded. And now, when most clocks change themselves making the change effortless, we have become so lazy we need to repeat the same mistake? Truly there is no hope for mankind.

From the link: "A NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll in December 1973 showed 79% percent of Americans approved making daylight saving time permanent. Three months after it became law, approval had plummeted to 42%."

The impact of permanent daylight savings time is so different in each region of the US.
Michigan is one of the states that would be the most negatively impacted by permanent daylight savings time.

In January the sun would not rise until 9 am. It also would not rise until 8 am in all of Nov, Dec and Feb.
Children will be at bus stops and/or walking and crossing intersections in darkness.

A higher percentage of traffic will be in be reduced light situations.
Mornings will be colder.
Roads will stay icy longer.

It's hard for me to support permanent daylight savings. I'd prefer no DST at all over permanent DST.

You know what would be easy? To change the time that school started, or that businesses opened? Where is it written that school has to start at 8? That offices have to open at 8?
Keep the time on winter time, not summer time. Easy peasy. Problem solved.

Compare how this is handled in China:

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/china/one-time-zone.html

In western China (some) hotels have two dinner banquet seatings, one on Beijing time and one on local time.
It adds to Rick's frequent quips about how you can eat dinner with fellow tourists or you can eat dinner with the locals,
but he's usually talking about Spain or Greece, not Lanzhou.

what Tom said.

It's hard for me to support permanent daylight savings. I'd prefer no DST at all over permanent DST.

I agree - I'd rather stay on Standard Time permanently than move to permanent DST. I'm a morning person and hate it when the sun doesn't rise til almost 9 am (at least, here in Minnesota). I think the northern states suffer the most here.

Maybe we need something like Central Time South and Central Time North. That's not confusing at all. 😆

I would like to see a tectonic shift in the planet so that the longest day of the year occurred later in the summer.

Of course that would take much more planning than a supposedly simple legislative amendment.

Michigan has a very curious time observance history. Initially the entire state was central time but Detroit changed to EST in 1922. Then most of the state aside from a small portion of the UP joined Detroit in EST in 1931.

When the entire US was ordered to go to DST in 1966, Michigan voters approved Public Act 6 of 1967, rejecting Daylight Saving Time. That meant Michigan remained on Standard Time.

But we Michiganders must have wanted Daylight Saving Time. In 1972, voters repealed Public Act 6 of 1967 in the state election. Michigan began observing Daylight Saving Time in 1973.

I remember as a youngster having to reset watches repeatedly as my family traveled frequently between PA which was DST and MI which wasn't. Our relatives were scattered across both states and the family business was colocated.

Not so far from Mardee is Thunder Bay ONT that although observing Eastern time is so deep geographically into Central time it’s at least halfway to Mountain Time, sunrise Saturday is almost 9 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/canada/thunder-bay

The Washington Post has a map showing latest sunrise times across the US with permanent daylight saving time.
How permanent daylight saving time would change sunrise and sunset times