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Slovenia vs Slovakia--a week without advance planning

Posted this in the respective country forums, but am trying to solicit more advice...

Hello:
I have a free week at the end of August in between two work events. I will depart from Berlin and fly Swiss Air via Zurich. Later in mid-September, my current schedule sends me back to Berlin and then to Warsaw. I am trying to chill in another country that has the following characteristics:

Safety--no country is safe from terrorism anymore, but there are ones that have a much lower chance of being attacked than others. I am also paranoid of theft, though I am a frequent traveler without mobility issues.

Lower costs--I find Switzerland to be super expensive. Germany is cheaper but Poland is even better. I would like to save some $ while I travel and not have to worry about a second mortgage.

Good internet connections--this is a must because I need to check work email constantly and rely on Google Maps for directions. Wifi connections in hotels and wireless data connections MUST be good. I love Greek islands but their internet connections are almost always poor. So, Greece is out of consideration.

Good transit--I’d rather not drive, though I have my international driving permit with me. Frequent and reliable public transit is highly desirable.

Reasonably good food...I suppose this is on everybody’s wish list. I travel to Switzerland often for work, but find the food there to be outrageously priced and skimpy in portions. Would like a change from this. Also, some of my travelmates have digestive and metabolic health issues. So, places offering a healthier diet with abundant leafy vegetables (vs. red meat + potatoes in Germany) would be beneficial.

Good coffee--my travel companions are coffee snobs (third wave coffee). Of course, I understand that great coffee is harder to find in more remote locations.

Milder summer weather--I am used to hot, dry weather. Humidity is uncomfortable to me. Also, I experienced a heatwave in Europe before and it was unbearable (few places have A/C). No place can be immune from this, but I would like to avoid it as much as I can.
So far, I am thinking of Slovenia and Slovakia, which are both under the radar for mass tourism (at least for Americans) and cruises. I haven’t been to either.

Slovenia is nice because there are the Alps in the north and the Med coast. It’s a small enough country that I can visit both zones in a short amount of time without much advance planning. My biggest reservation is that hotels in Ljubljana seem to be ultra pricey, especially without advance booking. Many say that it’s even more expensive than in Vienna. I did my search for places with free wifi, a gym, and air conditioning--there isn’t much left. Perhaps it’s because major chains haven’t really expanded into this capital city yet.

Slovakia is also a smaller country. I heard that Bratislava is a pretty cool city. It’s an inland country but offers some unspoiled natural landscape to explore. Some spa towns look interesting.

Which of these two places fulfill the above criteria better? I am used to traveling in Europe and am OK healthwise. Life has been incredibly busy lately and I don’t have much time to plan. Would like to explore places before they become overcrowded and overpriced like Prague.
Thanks a million!

Posted by
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I already answered your question under Slovenia. It is better to post your question just once. That way you get all your answers in one place.

Posted by
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Your list of wants is not going to be met anywhere. You want to travel extremely cheaply to a place undiscovered by your countrymen or tourists in general yet demand modern American amenities and stuff like "third wave coffee".

Honestly it sounds like your group would be happier with renting a flat with A/C for a week in Berlin or Krakov..

Posted by
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Are you a tourist or, a traveler?
You've got quite a list of demands and qualifiers, sounds like you're more interested in checking off boxes on your bucket list and not necessarily enjoying the location you're gonna be in.
Third-wave coffee....your friends either need to bring their own or, realize that the world isn't about catering needs. Every metro area in Europe has good coffee.

Paranoid about theft...as if everyone else isn't?
You say you've traveled a bunch, you should know better.

Posted by
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Agree with others above that you have highly unrealistic expectations...I'm sure a lot of people reading your post just roll their eyes and move on.

I'd suggest you stop making a list of all your travel fantasies, instead decide what's most important to you and simply work towards that. There are plenty of great places out there.

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I am afraid you might be unpleasantly surprised how “discovered” Bratislava and most of Slovenia has become…. Otherwise i think your expectations and desires are valid.

Safety

A dangerous issue to discuss but okay; In the category of violent crime I think you would be hard pressed to find a safer place than Slovenia or Slovakia. With regard to terrorism, I suggest you research the Visegrad 4 and determine for yourself if you believe that their actions will make their countries safer from terrorism (I do). The V4 includes Slovakia, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary.

Lower costs

The cost of living index in Ljubljana is 64, while in Bratislava it is 52.

Wifi connections in hotels and wireless data connections MUST be good.

I think this will be a function of the particular accommodation you choose.

Good transit--I’d rather not drive, though I have my international
driving permit with me. Frequent and reliable public transit is highly
desirable.

Slovakia has a pretty good rail service that will take you to the High Tatras is that is your interest. While I have been to Slovakia, I haven’t been to Slovenia so I can’t do a comparison.

Reasonably good food...

While I have been to Slovakia, I haven’t been to Slovenia so I can’t do a comparison; but I always ate pretty well in Slovakia. But it doesn’t fall into the healthy category. Budapest has some of the best food in the region, hands down.

Good coffee--my travel companions are coffee snobs

While I have been to Slovakia, I haven’t been to Slovenia so I can’t do a comparison. Budapest is a good coffee town.

Milder summer weather--I am used to hot, dry weather. Humidity is
uncomfortable to me.

By mid-September the weather will be mild in both locations.

Since you will be in Warsaw, Warsaw does have direct connections to Lviv which will ring most of your bells. There are also direct flights to Odessa and if I were someplace with a direct flight to Odessa, I would be on it in a heart beat. Great city.

Warsaw also has direct flgihts to Kosice which is pretty wonderful and you can then take a short train ride to the High Tatras and then another to Bratislava. Nice trip.

Budapest will ring all your bells except mountains. The tourist numbers in September aren’t terrible.

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I have not been to Slovakia, but Slovenia is certainly not below the radar for mass tourism. I saw plenty of tour coaches, including the big ones like Trafalgar, when I was in Ljubljana and at Lake Bled as well. I did not find it very expensive though. I stayed at a very nice hotel (the Antiq hotel) for 99 Euros per night. I remember thinking at the time that a similar hotel would be much more expensive in say London or Paris.

I do remember that the food is very German influenced, though you can also get plenty of Balkans food like bureks.

Posted by
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It's a safe bet that if you want the American amenities in a hotel (wifi connection, AC, 24 hr reception, en suite facilities, English speaking, credit card payment, etc), be prepared to pay for it. That depends on one's traveling style, I wouldn't pay. I know of Pensionen in Berlin where there is no credit card payment, no AC, no elevator, no wifi connection, let alone free, no 24 reception), ...nice places.

There are international tourist bus groups basically all over Europe, east central Europe too, regardless if the country or city is under the American tourist radar and which season it is. When I go in the early summer or peak season, I expect the humidity and the heat to be in central Europe, based on my experiences in Vienna in recent years. True, it does become pretty stifling and oppressive.

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Montenegro, or at least its coastal areas, are not undiscovered either. I visited the Bay of Kotor in Montenegro recently as a one day tour from Dubrovnik. This is a very popular day trip from Dubrovnik. There was a very big cruise ship docked at Kotor when I got there as well. I understand that Mostar in Bosnia and Herzegovina is also a popular day trip from Dubrovnik. But some of the other places mentioned by James E probably are under the radar.

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James E. forgot to mention Romania. Fascinating place, generally very good on the WiFi issue, and I think it's OK for a/c. Food requires careful selection of restaurant. As for exercise facilities...I seriously doubt it, and I have no idea what sort of coffee you're looking for. Romania is not for high-maintenance travelers.

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Ted, the town of Kotor is a mess with tourists, but they either get off the ship at Kotor, then back on or they ride a bus nonstop from Dubrovnik and drive right past all the good stuff. .The coast (Budva to Ulcinj) is mostly devoid of tourists except for a few Russians who don't have the money they once did. The interior, the mountains, I think is the real hidden secret in Montenegro .... or I hope as it's where I am heading in a few weeks. The cost, once you get out of Kotor Bay, is equivelent to what I paid on my first trip to Bulgaria 6 years ago.

I haven't been to Mostar in Bosnia and Herzegovina but I get the impression that like Kotor its a boomerang trip from Dubrovnik leaving the rest of the country relatively untouched.