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Seattle to Europe trip planning advice

Hello. Maybe asking one of those annoying overly vague questions....but I love learning from you more experienced travelers. We are in our early 50s and finally starting to plan a first-time trip to Europe for 2026.

Our parameters are:
1. Home airport is Seattle. Prefer a non-stop flight if at all possible, so I'm letting that inform our destination decisions.
2. First-timers to Europe with an open mind on where to go.
3. We're thinking shoulder-season options for Northern Europe (e.g., May-June for London or north, Sept/Oct for Italy / Croatia). We are not trying to fit this all into one trip!
4. Thinking 11-12 days including travel time.
5. Would appreciate 2-3 nights per city/town.
6. Hope to experience culture, food, museums, natural wonders - we're not city people but willing to try it out a little.
7. Hoping to use the train and/or ferry systems as much as possible.

We are not trying to fit this all into one trip! But we are interested in having an overall travel plan that we hope to fit into several trips over the next 5-10 years. We hope to eventually see London, European castles, some parts of the Alps, northern to Italy down to around Florence/Tuscany, and Croatia (cousin in Zagreb), but in no particular order. And again, not in one trip!

It appears if we want a non-stop flight to get there, our choices would be:
London
Paris
Amsterdam
Rome (2026)
Barcelona (2026)

Then train to next destination(s).
Returning home on a non-stop flight is likely more challenging if we hope to do open-jaw, but that's okay.

Thanks for your help!

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Hi Kathy. You don't say your reason for so much emphasis on non-stop flights. My advice is to not make that a big factor; otherwise you are unnecessarily limiting your itinerary and probably adding significant extra cost. A connecting flight is no big deal and will give you so many more options. Get off one plane, wait an hour or two and get on another plane. Just my 2 cents worth. Have a great trip!

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There are a few cities in Europe in which airlines offer non-stop flights from Seattle. They include: London, Paris, Amsterdam and Dublin. This takes Italy and Croatia off your list of options. England and the UK is a great destination for first-time travelers to Europe as there is no language barrier. Since you are not too keen on cities, you could spend a few days in London and then explore small towns and villages. There are itinerary suggestions all over this website and in Rick Steve’s guidebooks.

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Thanks!

Bob, I am an uneasy flyer, to put it mildly. I am working on this, but it is one of the reasons for preferring a non-stop flight. I certainly understand this might not be practical or possible, but it would be my preference where available. Maybe once Alaska's non-stop flights to Rome start in year, we could consider a SEA to Rome, then Croatia, as one potential trip combo?

Honestly it's just a little overwhelming to plan a trip like this. Maybe I need to hire a travel agent. Do you have recommendations and are they worth the cost?

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Longtime Seattle resident and European traveler here with a few thoughts to contribute...

1 - Nonstop flights are great, maybe wonderful, but don't obsess too much over them. And I say that as someone who is VERY picky about my flights.

Good news: There are more intercontinental nonstops from Seatac now than there used to be. Of course, half of them go in other directions - but hopefully you'll get to benefit from some of those, too. And more nonstops are being added (the hometown airline has been announcing new European destinations recently and more are coming). So the glass is half full.

Bad news: We have far fewer nonstops to Europe than major airports in the east.

Reality: If you limit yourself to nonstops, you will be limiting your destination choices. And you'll probably be paying more, too. Lots of us have come to accept a short connection either in North America or in Europe, and it's not a terrible price to pay (the airlines charge more for nonstops - you can save money by suffering in all sorts of ways, and the airlines will offer you the chance to buy your way out of all the suffering they give you if low prices are your thing). Personally, if a nonstop doesn't work, I look for a single short connection in the western US (SFO San Francisco or YVR Vancouver are my favorites); if I can't get that, I'll take a single short connection in Europe (almost anywhere, though there are some large, chaotic airports I prefer to avoid if all things are equal). I try to maximize the long trans-atlantic flight to allow for uninterrupted sleep. The absolute worst is multiple domestic connections including east-coast ones (that makes the "long" leg too short to get useful sleep).

Try for nonstops if they work with your destinations, but don't let the airlines dictate your destinations.

From SEA, we currently have the following nonstops:

  • Reykjavik (Iceland)
  • Dublin
  • London
  • Paris
  • Amsterdam
  • Barcelona
  • Copenhagen
  • Frankfurt
  • Zurich
  • Rome
  • Helsinki
  • Istanbul

More are coming - keep an eye on Alaska Airlines.

2 - About your plans for trips of 11-12 days including travel time...I would urge you to reconsider this. A "12-day" trip to Europe gives you about 9 days of useful time on the ground. That's better than nothing, but staying longer will give you a far, far better trip if you can manage it - especially as someone new to international travel. I think the ideal length for a European trip is about 18-24 days (if you are including travel days). Coming from the west coast, I think for most people it's best to subtract 3 days in how you count full, usable days on the ground: on your arrival day, you will probably be exhausted, sleepy, disoriented, and not terribly efficient. Even on your next day - your first full day in Europe - you're going to be a little tired, jetlagged, and not operating at 100%. Your last day will be consumed with tasks required to get you on your flight home. So if your trip is N days long, you get (N-minus-3) full, usable days. Once you have a few trips under your belt, you may get more efficient (flying in business class can help too, allowing most folks to get a solid night's sleep on the way over, so you can arrive well-rested and literally hit the ground running...but not everyone can/chooses to fly that way).

In any case, I think the #1 mistake that first-timers make is to plan too aggressive of a schedule. The more I travel, the more I decide to slow-the-flock-down. It's a struggle - of course you want to see it all, do it all, you don't want to miss anything. But you gotta fight the urge to hit 18 cities in 19 days, or else your trip becomes a grinding deathmarch. Remember, every time you pick up and move from one place to another, you consume some large portion of that day in transit. More if you're flying, less if you take trains, but it all adds up.

Lots more, I'm sure the advice will roll in.

Have fun!

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Another longtime Seattle resident here (currently working in Germany). You can easily do London-Paris in 12 days with a non-stop out of SEATAC. I just spent a couple days in Paris with friends from Silverdale who were doing just that. But, you have to tailor your expectations as to just how much can be done. Both of these are big cities, not hard to get around, but can be crowded, and there's a lot to see and do. Figure out the top three things you want to see and build a trip around those, leaving time for things to happen, because they always do.

If you want to visit further north plan to arrive via Amsterdam. I myself prefer Frankfurt. And yes, I like non-stops into Europe as opposed to anything else. Most people don't realize just how inexpensive it is to fly between major cities in the EU, and then there are the trains. Getting around inside Europe is much easier than interstate travel without a car in the USA.

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How exciting, Kathy! Another PNW SEA response :)
I am a very nervous flyer. Each take off and landing is stressful for me- as well as in- between!
So I personally prefer to get as far as possible for the first "leg", if you are going to connect onward within Europe.
I don't think you need a travel agent, now that we have Internet and you have loads of free advice available here and guidebooks. I sometimes use day tours-I like Trip Advisor.
Example: My suggestion for a first-time option is fly non-stop to London, stay two full days after arrival (castles and museums) then, either use trains to tour more of the UK or take the Eurostar Chunnel to Paris...trains will be easy for outside the city (Amboise? da Vinci?) or, you could even also train to Amsterdam and then fly non-stop back to SEA from there.
Happy planning!

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Thank you David! Yes we are Alaska Airlines members for visiting family in CA and HA every couple years.

Do you fly economy and sleep mostly upright? Another concern I have is sleeping on the long plane ride (if we did get a nonstop) - may need some pharmaceutical help there. I can’t even sleep in a car and have never had luck on a plane, but I’ve also never had longer than a 6hr flight.

Not sure we can swing 18+ days but I appreciate the advice nonetheless. 14 days on our first transatlantic trip is the max we could do for a variety of reasons. Thx again!

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Thank you @Bon Voyage! Super helpful and I have the exact same thoughts on just getting there with the fewest take offs and landings possible ;)

I know it’s probably blasphemy to say this but Paris is not on our list of places we really want to see. But Seattle to London, then train or flights from London prob does make the most sense for us. Maybe 4 nights in London, train to Brussels or Frankfurt or ?? , then fly home from ???

Lots of decisions to make. Thx again everyone.

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Do you fly economy and sleep mostly upright?

Noooooo. I am a very light sleeper. Always have been. For decades, I had never been able to sleep in anything that was moving at all. Planes, trains, cars, buses, ships, anything - all the conditions have to be right for my brain to disengage and sleep (so no movement). Even when conditions were allegedly "perfect" - like in private sleeper compartments on European trains, or stretched out on the floor of an Alaska Ferry with foam sleeping pads in a cozy sleeping bag in a quiet, dark place....if I was in something moving, I was wide awake. ALWAYS. I was once up for 4 days straight coming back from Alaska. Then I started working 80+ hour weeks for a software company and serious, chronic sleep deprivation. I could fall asleep instantly as soon as I sat down in an Alaska Airlines 737 coach seat, before they even closed the door...but once the engines fired up, I would be awake again. Even though I was awake, I did pile up a LOT of miles commuting between Seattle and the Bay Area and east coast offices.

Eventually I discovered business class, aboard a 15-hour flight to Australia on the upper deck of a 747. Changed my life. Since then I have not crossed another ocean in a cramped coach seat, and have no intention of doing so ever again (I've also left behind working those crazy long hours for that company...). I can sleep very nicely now in a lay-flat business class seat, and long flights don't bother me one bit - I love 'em. Flying to Europe now seems like a quick, easy hop (for comparison, try flying to a remote little island in an obscure, far corner of Indonesia sometime - in coach - takes 3 days and can provides some perspective...going to London? That's barely enough time for a meal, a short movie, and a nap!). It's a blessing, my spouse and I travel a lot now (and I put in a lot of time figuring out how to get good flights). I recognize we are very lucky and most folks have to tough it out in the cheap seats.

Another concern I have is sleeping on the long plane ride (if we did get a nonstop) - may need some pharmaceutical help there. I can’t even sleep in a car and have never had luck on a plane, but I’ve also never had longer than a 6hr flight.

That's a tricky one. Many folks don't get any sleep on the flight over, and I can relate - I used to be like that. My only advice would be to be very careful about resorting to pharmaceutical methods to mitigate flight discomfort - if you want to experiment with such things do it on the ground, at home, in a more forgiving environment than on a flight to Europe - that's no time/place to learn how your body uniquely reacts to some medications.

Not sure we can swing 18+ days but I appreciate the advice nonetheless. 14 days on our first transatlantic trip is the max we could do for a variety of reasons.

Understood. Do what you have to do. Just be sure not to overschedule yourself. Remember that even when surrounded by travel temptations, we spend a good portion of every day on just basic logistics: sleeping, eating, taking care of all our most basic daily needs, getting around, etc. And nobody has figured out a way to magically "transport" oneself to the next destination instantly - all that stuff takes time (more time than we would like to admit) and we all need to account for those tasks in our plans.

You'll do fine - don't worry.

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Hi Kathy,

We lived in the Seattle area for 30 years before retiring, so I’m very familiar with SeaTac. Just for some encouragement for your future, I used to hate to fly, and now I absolutely love it, going to Europe 1-3 times/yr.

In keeping with your desire for a RT non-stop flight, I will add the link to our trip to England & Wales in 2023. And also one that could be shortened that was a RT to Paris & sections of France.

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/june-2023-england-wales-trip-report

https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/trip-reports/our-combined-solo-couple-vacation-in-france-2019

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David’s advice is excellent.

About your dates:

May-June for London or north
Well, I was going to say London in May might be a tad damp, but I checked before I spoke. Not bad at all for London. Temps are a bit cooler than I had anticipated. So here is a comparison to Seattle. Non-stop into London for a few days, train to Paris and then Paris non-stop home.

London vs Seattle: https://weatherspark.com/compare/m/5/45062~913/Comparison-of-the-Average-Weather-in-London-and-Seattle-in-May#google_vignette

Sept/Oct for Italy / Croatia
Itay as in Rome to Florence, sure. Croatia, it’s a depender. I wouldn’t do Croatia in October, shoot for September. I am a lot more flexible on Italy. Look at the weather and decide. You could fly non-stop to Rome, 3 or 4 days, then hop over to Dubrovnik for a few days on a discount flight, but you will have to change planes to get home.

Croatia (I used Split for sort of an average) vs Seattle: https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/2/80692~913/Comparison-of-the-Average-Fall-Weather-in-Split-and-Seattle#Figures-Temperature
Rome vs Seattle: https://weatherspark.com/compare/s/2/913~71779/Comparison-of-the-Average-Fall-Weather-in-Seattle-and-Rome#google_vignette

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Pack light. Don't lug around a bunch of unnecessary stuff. (I consistently violate this rule myself.) That's my advice.

"I might need this."
"What if my sweater gets dirty? I should pack 2 sweaters."
"What if my shoes get wet? I should pack an extra pair of shoes."

It's taken me a couple of decades to get through my own thick head, if I need a sweater, or a pair of shoes, there are stores where they have those. I don't need to bring them with me in the off chance I will need them.

That's my advice.

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Welcome to the forum. A direct flight seems great, but as mentioned, is limiting. A 14 day trip SeaTac to SeaTac means 12 days of activities (I tend to think about planning activities into morning and evening slots, so you would have 24). Have a hotel room ready for you when you land (yes pay for the empty overnight) and your body will thank you. You will also get enough rest (slot 1 day 1) to do one activity (slot 2 day 1) on your arrival day. Day 12 will include getting to a hotel near your departure airport. Changing locations basically uses up a full half day, so pick no more than three locations. Travel will be 1/2 of day 4 (slot 1 day 4) and 1/2 of day 8 (slot 1 of day 8), and 1/2 of day 12 (slot 2 day 12). 5 slots of 24 gone already. There are so many things to do in any European city/region I would suggest you create two lists - Types of things you really like to do anywhere (you will find them in Europe in abundance) and things you really want to see on this first of many trips. Then pick several possible locations and outline morning and afternoon activities for each of the locations. Of course you can try to fit in more... but having a coffee or apertivo on a square in Paris, or London, or Rome, or Amsterdam counts as an event to enjoy on its own without rushing about, as does a nice LUNCH or DINNER. And, of course, binge watch Rick's TV shows (all available for free on YouTube) for your potential desired destinations... And download his Audio Europe app and listen to various city walks descriptions. Enjoy the planning! Have fun!

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Hi Kathy, I’m excited for you and your significant other to be able to plan for these trips! I am also a fairly nervous and novice flyer and feel your angst about connecting international flights. I am doing my first connection from the east coast at LHR in about a month. I have the fortune of having one of the kids to help as she has flown internationally and connected before, but I still would prefer non stop. As folks on here will tell you, I am sure it’s not as daunting once you’ve done it a few times.

About the sleeping on the plane. First trip, I bought everything I thought I needed to have to sleep. Kind of like your first child when you buy everything under the sun bc your baby just NEEDS it, you know? I researched everything. Pricey silk sleep mask - check. Highly rated travel blanket- check. Way too expensive neck pillow- check. Ear plugs- check. Truth be told, hated the neck pillow. Bulky and a nuisance to lug around afterwards. Airline gave me an additional and fairly nice blanket. Hated the sleep mask. Did use the ear plugs. The best thing I did to be able to get some sleep was to take two 5 mg Olly melatonin gummies. I didn’t want anything pharmaceutical, but these worked great. I could feel my body relaxing and did sleep bc of them.

We love everything about the UK and find that after we started there, we just keep wanting to return. It is giving us many opportunities to return for slow travel to its different areas. Like you, we have the need to keep our trips rather short in comparison to other folks who take extended trips. For me, staying closer - the UK, maybe Paris and possibly Scandinavia will hit the sweet spot for time and distance. I think you’re going to find once you go on your first or second trip, you will begin to formulate more of your travel “style”.

We are all so fortunate to be able to travel and see this amazing world. Anywhere you decide to go can bring such joy. Have fun planning and don’t hesitate to ask about anything. The people on this forum are so kind and helpful! I’m speaking from experience. :)

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Welcome! For a first time European traveler, I agree that the United Kingdom is a good place to start. You can get used to a lot of aspects of travel in your own language. We also prefer to be out of big cities. For 11 or so days I would pick just one area to explore, South West, North East, Oxford/Cotswolds/Bath, Lake District, etc. Do spend at least 2 night, preferable 3 (or more) in each place you stay within that area. I often see the recommendation to "assume you will be back". This allows you to focus on a doable itinerary. In choosing your location, be sure to consider your motivations for traveling to Europe and integrate them into your itinerary. For example: a particular historical period of interest, a place you read about as a child, a hike that you have always wanted to take, etc. This forum is an amazing resource. As you move through your planning, keep asking questions. There are so many generous people here who are happy to help.

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I am right there with you on the direct flight. Someone else included a list of those available from SEA. Once you're over the Atlantic, transportation is relatively easy and inexpensive. And since you don't have an itinerary, maybe let the flights guide you. Since you're an Alaska flyer, I assume you have the credit card or another way to earning miles/status. Take a look at the new award charts. I have used Alaska miles to fly Saga class on Icelandair (like old-school first class, just a larger seat and more space) and lie-flat business class on Condor into Frankfurt. I have also paid for Premium Economy on Condor for a lot less than other airlines wanted to charge. The flight to Reykjavik is only 7.5 hours (vs 9+ to the rest of Europe) but involves a second flight, so...
The first time I used Condor was for a trip to Ireland. We stayed 3 nights in Germany (1 in Wiesbaden, 2 on Mosel River) before flying up to Belfast. We agreed that 1) this was a great decision, and 2) we would love to go back to the Mosel Valley. I later found out we could have flown directly to Dublin for a similar number of miles. Oops. No regrets.
Aer Lingus is a mileage partner with Alaska and has a direct flight from SEA to DUB. A May trip to Ireland sounds like it would be right up your street. Dublin is a big city, but the rest of the island really isn't (Belfast metro area isn't 1 million, so I don't want to hear it). Ireland has the castles, museums, natural wonders, culture and great food (including incredible seafood). There are trains, which are very nice and not expensive, but you need to supplement with bus/coach if you're not keen for the "wrong" side driving. Loads of advice here on the Forum for a 12-day itinerary with organized day trips, etc. Coming from the PNW, you'll be very familiar with the weather in Ireland, even if it changes faster there than here.
If Ireland doesn't float your boat, try Amsterdam. It's a big city but it doesn't feel like one when you're there. It's very quiet, walkable and charming AF. A few days there and then off to...wherever. A great resource (and frankly, a bit of a rabbit hole) is The Man in Seat 61. Here is his info on rail links from Amsterdam to everywhere else. https://www.seat61.com/international-trains/trains-from-Amsterdam.htm
If you're considering a travel agent, maybe just look at a group tour instead? You might find a 7-day Rick Steves tour (or one with another operator like Seattle-based Sarah Murdoch, https://adventureswithsarah.net/all-tours/#2026-tours) and add a couple of days to the beginning and/or end of the trip. There are lots of other companies, many of them mentioned on this site.

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I forgot to mention that you should (IMO) get Global Entry if you don't already have it. If you visit Vancouver BC at all, you could get Nexus, which includes GE and TSA pre-check (although I've heard that waits for Nexus interviews can be months out). These make it a breeze to get through the notorious Sea-Tac security lines.

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Kathy,
Congrats on planning your first trip to Europe. I am in the camp of those who recommend spending your whole time in Britain for this first trip. With 9 1/2 really usable days there, you will find plenty to do, the language barrier won't be there, and you can avoid plane changes. I would spend 3-4 full days in London (so much to see and do!), then visit maybe Bath, Salisbury, Stonehenge, the Lake District, Edinburgh, Windsor, Wales......take your pick among these and other terrific places. Many of these places are day trips from London, some you might stay at overnight. Trains are easy to use there. Some places can be combined with others in one day. England itself is about the size of Oregon, so you can envision how far apart things are. I always recommend getting a real map of a place and looking at the big picture for a truer perspective. (That works well for me.) Do a little research (guidebooks, maninseat61 website) on train transportation in Britain to see if you can plot out some places in a logical "loop", returning to London at the end. Sometimes local buses work out well in going from place to place.

Regarding logistics details. My preference is to travel in April, May and early June, but depending on where you go, September and October work well also. Don't overpack. Take clothes you can wash out in your room or find a laundromat (they have them there!). You can buy your sundry items if need be. Make sure you passport is good for six months after your return. Wherever you go, have a great time! Bon voyage et bonne chance!

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If the 11-12 days with travel time is a hard line, I would suggest that you concentrate on one area. Say London with a trip to Bath and Stonehenge or Paris with day trips to Versailles and Chartres. Since this is your first trip to Europe give yourself a chance to get used it. Every time you change places it takes time. You should budget a 1/2 day when planning.

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I agree, you don't need a travel agent these days. But spend the time being extremely prepared. The more you plan now, the more stress free your trip will be so you can just relax and enjoy.

  • consider the Timeshifter app to deal with jet lag. Even used imperfectly, it's been a huge help for me
  • once you decide on a destination, read at least one guidebook to pick up the big and small details, and read Forum trip reports
  • think about interviewing someone you know who's recently been where you're going. You can pick up tips like which tube stops to avoid, etc
  • make a plan for what to see/do each day, but don't overschedule. Wandering in a new city or town is fabulous.
  • sit down with your travel partner and talk through your trip in granular detail. How will you get to the airport (light rail! it's the best!), what's your connection plan on each stop, etc. This will help you identify things to tend to before you leave.
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Kathy,

First, I’d say welcome to the forum, but I see you’ve been here last year and you’ve been planning this 2026 trip for a while. Still, glad to see your interested and engaging.

If you can stretch your trip out even a couple of days, you may well find that rewarding. 15 days from departure to arrival back at Sea-Tac (Saturday to Sunday, 2 weeks later; or leave on a Tuesday and return on a Wednesday if that works for you and your workplace) will mean that you can then enjoy 12 full days, on the ground in Europe after your arrival day. Departure day from SeaTac is late afternoon and overnight. Arrival day, sometime in the morning after a nonstop flight is followed by time navigating the airport, then ground transport, then finding your hotel and either checking in or at least dropping your bags off if you are two hours ahead of check-in time, then finding a cafe or a meal and finally collapsing to get the sleep that you weren’t able to get on your flight. Maybe you can do a bit more on that first day, like visit a park or walk around a bit, but you probably won’t do much.

After a night’s sleep, you’ll be bright eyed and bushy tailed and ready to venture forth and enjoy your first full, well-rested day. This is day 3 of 15. Or, day #1 of the 12 full days you can enjoy in Europe before the journey home on day 15.

My second bit of advice, since SeaTac is your home airport: you might go up to Edmonds. Go to the Rick Steves store. They’re open Saturdays from 9 to 5. The staff is helpful. They have lots of resources to peruse including many travel books published by others that you can browse. And of course, their own books and other stuff to buy.

Third, remember to slow down, don’t move too fast, try to make the moments last. If you travel on your own and not on a tour, bear in mind that you will not duplicate the schedule of any tour that you try to emulate. The tour operators (RS and others) have a bus and driver there on a schedule; the tour operator has pre-purchased many of the tickets, lined up the local guides, and developed a program based on years of experience. As you tour whatever on your own - the British Museum in London, Tivoli Garden in Copenhagen, San Marco Square in Venice, the Dolomites in Italy, or a market in Padua when you’re there two hours before your timed entry to the Scrovegni Chapel - you may want to linger a while, or discover a little quiet spot somewhere else.

Great that you’re not a big city person. Yes, great cities (London, Paris, Rome and others like Florence) have what small ones don’t have: some of the greatest museums and iconic sights, along with great crowds and not-so-great hour-long or even hours-long lines. (RS Gudebooks do have avoid the line tips.) Many small cities have their own gems (Padua’s Scroveigni Chapel, Zagreb’s Museum of Naive Art). Many smaller cities will have fewer crowds which means you can relax more (not all, think Venice)

Less is More. Great that this is your first trip and that you know you can’t do it all. Europe looks so small on a map. But think of Spain as the size of Texas and France, Italy and Great Britain each as the size of California. It takes time to get around, whether by train, ferry, bus or car. We trained from Prague to Vienna. 4 hours on the train plus another 1-1/2 hours getting to and from the stations and waiting for our train departure time. 6 hours by bus from Vienna to Zagreb. Travel days like those blow big holes in your limited number of days in Europe.

Flip side of the same coin. 3-1/2 days in Florence on our first trip wasn’t enough, so we spent two more 1/2 days there on that first trip as we cross-crossed Tuscany and 3 more days in Florence on our second trip to Italy a dozen years later. Our first trip to Paris was for a week. There was too much to enjoy in Paris, so hoped-for visits to Giverny and Versailles were deferred to a later trip.

Enjoy!

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Welcome Kathy. You've had many good responses to your questions, and the good news is you have time to process them, think more, and do plenty of research on options before you book anything for 2026. While you wait, set up a couple Google flight price alerts on dummy travel dates for the non stop flights you're considering. It helps to know the going rates and to see how often prices change.

My only advice would be to be very careful about resorting to
pharmaceutical methods to mitigate flight discomfort - if you want to
experiment with such things do it on the ground, at home, in a more
forgiving environment than on a flight to Europe - that's no
time/place to learn how your body uniquely reacts to some medications.

I just want to ditto this comment. Given your concerns about flying, I humbly suggest scheduling a conversation with a medical professional who can help develop coping options that work specifically for you, not what a bunch of people on the internet say. If their recommendation includes medications, give yourself plenty of at home testing time. I myself rarely get any sleep on a flight and resign myself to a bit of a slog coming and going - a small price to pay for the benefit and joy of traveling. The Timeshifter app did help quite a bit on my last 9 hour time zone trip. I've done zero prep for my trip that starts on Monday - but based on my prior travels I know what I'm in for.

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Kathy, and anyone else who, like me, doen't sleep well on planes. I had thought about taking something to help me sleep on those west coast to Europe flights, back in 2004, but changed my mind after a flight returning from China, Beijing to Los Angeles. A couple who were in our group slept almost the whole way back. They were in the routine of getting a prescription for just one sleeping pill for long flights. The Chinese airline had exercise times for the passengers a few times during the flight, which this couple slept through of course. Alas, not moving for all those hours contributed to her getting a deep-vein thrombosis in her leg and it traveled to her heart, bringing on a heart attack just a few hours after arriving home. I realize it is only one episode in my travel experiences, but I decided then and there that I wanted to be awake enough to move around a bit, even if it only meant some stretching in my seat. And compression socks became a must, even if they are a pain to put on! I am 81 now and want to still be traveling when I am 91, God willing!

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Thank you so much everyone! You have certainly given us lots of excellent ideas to consider. I look forward to posting our eventual trip report :)

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If you go to Edmonds, go on a Saturday morning. Excellent open market just a block from the RS shop.

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You are not big city people, want to decrease the number of take offs and landings, and prefer to skip Paris. Perfect, as Paris is overrated! Limitations are essential while planning travel, as they point out possible directions, and having 11 airports to choose from for your first trip is 9 too many.

Consider arriving in charming compact Dublin, which is much smaller than London, and then travel by ferry to Liverpool in England and from there to London. OR you could fly into London's Heathrow airport (LHR), take a bus straight from the airport to a hotel in Oxford and do day trips from there, then travel by train or train/ferry, if you want to avoid the long tunnel, to Brittany, Brussels, Ghent, Bruges, Haarlem, with a night in Amsterdam, just to see what it's like, before flying home from there. Stay in one town, day trip to the coast and other towns. Travel by train while in Europe. Cities within these countries are so closely spaced that trains often run like commuter trains with a journey time of around 30 minutes.

Don't worry about not staying longer than 10-12 days. We Europeans travel in Europe for just a few days in the shoulder season; four nights in Krakow this year, three night in Prague next year, but rarely more than five nights. You are going to get it all, much more than we get in an average year.
Don't worry about sleeping on a plane, just be as comfortable as possible, let events unfold and start dreaming, with your eyes closed or open. Accept the travel fatigue of the first day. It has been made very clear by the medical profession that losing one nights sleep is not harmful, and the following night almost always offers large helpings of splendid sleep of the best kind. Sit in a airport café for a while, drinking some fruit juice or a cup of tea, while the wonderfully strange languages and accents all around you start to penetrate the haze. Next time you could arrive in Copenhagen, day trip to Malmö, and go by train to the Lübeck/Hamburg/Berlin area in Northern Germany.

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Kathy hi,

I'm another of the Seattle frequent European vacationers, family goes close to annually. I've spent around two year on vacation in Europe.

If I was doing a first trip I would fly to Munich then travel south, flying home from Venice. This corridor is extremely efficient by high speed rail, but also has a wide variety of cultures and experiences along the way. You could do Munich, Salzburg, Innsbruck, Dolomites, Verona, Padua, Venice and never be on the train more than a couple hours. You can also stretch this route from Berlin or Frankfurt at the beginning and to Florence or Rome at the end.

Not the only itinerary out there, but a really good one.

As for sleeping on the plane, if I'm lying flat I like a long flight (like Seattle-Frankfurt). That way I can get 5 or 6 hours. If sitting up in economy then I prefer shorter flights as I'm not sleeping much or well anyway. Icelandair is good for this - SEA to Iceland is about 7.5 hours over night, and then easy transfer to a very wide variety of cities in Europe on which you catch a little nap. Since Iceland is pretty much in a straight line between Seattle and a lot of Europe, you lose little overall time, and you can land in more places in Europe.

Re sleep on flight I take an Ambien. Not recommending, just relating my experience. I have zero issues with weird behavior or anything like that. Everybody's different, and it would be pretty miserable to cause a problem on a plane if the drug didn't work well with your chemistry. So I would say at minimum talk to your doctor and don't take your virgin dose of a sleeping pill on a plane.

Personally I wouldn't land in London and do two or three nights before hopping to the continent. Several reasons, one of which is I don't like hacking up my trip's early flow with big airport transfers and flights. To me it doesn't feel like I've actually arrived.

Anyway, there are many good ways to do it. I have planned so many trips for my family at this point, fastidiously careful about parts, pretty wide open on some other parts. They almost always give me 5 star reviews. :)

Happy to help, and there certainly is lots of good advice from different perspectives on this forum.

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OK, Kathy. Nobody else has mentioned this option, but have you considered a tour? The Rick Steves tours are an excellent way to start out with European travel and learn some of the basic skills. Yes, it's more expensive than independent travel, but it's much more time efficient and less stressful to have all the logistics taken care of. It gives you the time to focus on your #6 parameter. They're not luxury tours, but rather expect you to be active. Of course if you want luxury, there are companies that offer that too.

I would suggest the same to friends or family that were planning their first trip.

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I forgot to mention that you should (IMO) get Global Entry if you don't already have it. If you visit Vancouver BC at all, you could get Nexus, which includes GE and TSA pre-check (although I've heard that waits for Nexus interviews can be months out). These make it a breeze to get through the notorious Sea-Tac security lines.

Or another option that works great at Seatac is MPC app (Mobile Passport Control) that you download on your phone and the line is about the same as the Global Entry line (they are right by each other). The difference is MPC is free. And another free option is spot saver instead of TSA pre-check.

I work, so my trips tend to be 10 days in length, which is perfect for me. However, I think where we are different is that you want to change locations every 2-3 nights and I tend to stay in one location for a much longer period of time. I have a preference for home bases which work out really well for me with my short trips. I prefer to have a kitchen and go grocery shopping. On my last trip, we spent a week in Paris, February, which was a perfect time for us. I did tack on a couple of night in London, but that was because it was much cheaper to fly into London and out of Paris, so why not. I don't sleep much on the plane (economy), but then just rely on caffeine and adrenaline and just go. Then I crash once I'm home again.

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Re Global Entry, last time into Seatac I walked up to the machine, it took my picture, and the guy waved me through. 10 seconds. Pretty nice.

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Re- the advice above to take the ferry from Liverpool to Dublin, that hasn't been possible for many years now. You would take the ferry to Holyhead then the train onward.

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Nobody else has mentioned this option, but have you considered a tour? The Rick Steves tours are an excellent way to start out with European travel and learn some of the basic skills. Yes, it's more expensive than independent travel, but it's much more time efficient and less stressful to have all the logistics taken care of. It gives you the time to focus on your #6 parameter. They're not luxury tours, but rather expect you to be active. Of course if you want luxury, there are companies that offer that too.

Yes, we are considering this. Might take some more time to convince my partner that it won't be so bad traveling with a group of people we don't know at the start. As the family travel agent and business manager (haha), I am certainly interested in the ease of having a reliable plan, figured out by someone with lots of experience, to just execute. I have a sorta high-stress job and ease of hopping on a RS Tour does appeal to me.

I humbly suggest scheduling a conversation with a medical professional who can help develop coping options that work specifically for you, not what a bunch of people on the internet say.

LOL, thank you -- I do have common sense and will not simply take some drug based on what people online suggest :) I was surprised to read in the Europe through the Backdoor that RS takes a "quarter tab of ambien" on long flights. I do not gravitate to pharmaceuticals. But I do plan to meet with my doctor before this trip to discuss this and other issues. I also appreciate that comment about DVTs - I am well aware of that as I am in the health field. I'm an active and overall healthier-than-most-51 yr-old-person, mostly concerned about being anxious and physically uncomfortable with sitting for so long. I will likely have an aisle seat and get up a lot, and squeeze my small self into as many yoga poses as a I can in the tiny airplane spaces.

BUT we have decided that my first Europe trip will be with myself, my almost 18 yr old daughter, my sister, and our almost 80 yr old mom to Copenhagen/Norway in June 2026. Hubby will sit that one out. We have decided this 3-generation girls trip is a higher priority trip, due to mom's age and health. That will include another discussion with my MOM's doctor about long-flights and how to do that safely for her. If you want to give advice on that trip, feel free to find me in the Norway discussion boards :). Hoping to fit me and hubby's trip into the fall 2026, or Spring 2027, and likely to include Italy on that one.

You could do Munich, Salzburg, Innsbruck, Dolomites, Verona, Padua, Venice and never be on the train more than a couple hours.

Hank, thank you - yes, this sounds amazing and may be very close to what me and hubby end up doing for our first trip over together. We really want to see the Alps. Being born and raised in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, we think the Alps and places like the Italian Lake District, and the Croatian Plitvice Lakes National Park would really WOW us.

Thanks again everyone. We are really excited to be at a point in our lives where we can afford to start traveling abroad, both in terms of time and money. Hearing all of your advice is super helpful.