Please sign in to post.

Road Trip Lisbon to Rome

We are tying two group trips together. One ends in Lisbon on February 24, 2022. The next one starts in Rome on March 5. I thought we would rent a car in Lisbon and drive to Rome. The places we want to see on the way are:
Bilbao
Andorra
Nice
San Marino

We ant to set foot in Andorra, Monaco, and San Marino. We will probably spend two night in Bilbao, drive to Andorra, drive to Figueres, then drive to Nice and hit most of the Riviera that one can do in 3 days. From there we will drive to San Marino and then on to Rome to drop off the car.

I would welcome any suggestions or ideas. I’ve already priced a BMW X1 at $1,800 total. $1,100 of that is the one way fee, but Hey, what are you going to do?

Anyone have

Posted by
3279 posts

Vueling.com has a non-stop flight from Lisbon to Bilbao for $64. The down side is you’ll have to pay a baggage fee if you check luggage and it’s probably close to the amount of the ticket.
I suggest renting a car in Bilbao to see ES and Andorra and drop off the car at the Barcelona airport where you can fly non-stop to Nice. From Nice you can take direct trains to Villefranche-sur-Mer (15-minutes), Monaco (30-minutes) and Grasse (1h 15m) but it’ll be easier to rent a car to see Cap Ferrat (30-minutes), Eze-le-Village (30-minutes), Vence (45-minutes), St-Paul-de-Vence (15-minutes from Vence).
I would return the car in Nice and hop on a train to Milano Centrale and rent a car at the train station. San Marino is a 3h 45m drive from Milano’s Centrale station.

Posted by
28249 posts

Andorra's in the Pyrenees. I'm not sure what the driving conditions will be like in February. That's something to check on. ViaMichelin estimates the driving time from Bilbao to Barcelona-El Prat at 9 hours 40 minutes if you go through Andorra-la-Vella (the capital). The fastest route is on the French side of the border through St.-Jean-de-Luz, Pau, Tarbes and Foix (nice castle in Foix). Be sure to advise your rental-car company of your plan to drive through France; I don't think it will be a problem, but crossing the border may affect your insurance.

The distance is about 450 miles, so the roads must be in generally good condition. Note, however, that ViaMIchelin's driving-time estimates do not include stops, getting lost, traffic tie-ups, weather-related problems or looking for parking. If you follow my link to ViaMichelin and zoom way in on the map, you'll find the most scenic roads marked in green.

Incidentally, you could detour to Llivia, a Spanish town completely surrounded by French territory, after leaving Andorra. That would add about 15 miles and 35 minutes to the trip. After leaving Llivia you'd soon pass Puigcerda, a very pretty hill town well equipped for hosting tourists.

Andorra is a skiing center in the winter; the same may be true of other places along this route. I suspect it's not prudent to plan to roll into town and look for lodging at that point.

Posted by
32363 posts

jb,

A few thoughts on your proposed trip.....

Rather than pay the high one-way drop fee, you might find it more cost effective to use a combination of shorter car rentals, train or perhaps a budget flight. I haven't worked out all the possibilities.

If you're staying in Nice for a few days, it's easy to get to Monaco so no car is needed. I'm not sure what the post Covid situation will be like, but there used to be a Bus from the main station in Nice to Monaco. The cost was very reasonable and that would avoid any parking issues.

Your profile doesn't indicate your home location. If your home is somewhere other than the E.U., it would be a really good idea for each driver to have an International Driver's Permit, which is used in conjunction with your home D.L. IDP's are easily obtained for a small fee at any AAA / CAA office for a small fee, and these are usually valid for one year.

With only nine days to work with, it would be a lot quicker to travel by train from Nice to Rome. You'll be on Regionale trains for the first part of the trip, but once you connect with the high speed trains in Italy, it's a very fast trip with no wasted time. That's a long trip to do in one day, but you could (for example) spend one night in Milan (about 5 hours from Nice) and then take the high speed to Rome the next day (about 3 hours direct). You could also use a budget flight. If you've never travelled by train in Italy, there are also some potentially expensive caveats to be aware of on trains.

If you haven't driven in Italy before, you'll need to be vigilant to avoid the ZTL (limited traffic) zones which exist in many cities, as there are hefty fines for each pass through them. Florence is heavily covered by automated ZTL cameras so not a good idea to drive there unless you know your way around. You likely won't know about the fines until several months after you've returned home.

Posted by
7055 posts

but Hey, what are you going to do?

Like Ken said, you could rent a car in each country and use trains across the border, and maybe to cut a bit of travel time.

Maybe something like this:

Train from Lisbon to Vigo. Rent a car and drive along the Spanish coast via Bilbao to Andorra and to Figueres. Return the car in Figueres, take a train across the border to France, e.g. Perpignan, Marseille or somewhere inbetween. Rent a new car and drive to Nice. And so on.