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Rick Steves' kiss of death?

This week on Facebook Rick Steves posted this:

After a month of research in Italy, my great triumph was finding the untouristy alternative to glitzy Positano, Amalfi, and Capri. Welcome to Minori, the overlooked Amalfi Coast town where, for a third the cost — and with a third the crowds — you get triple the Italy. I can promise you Minori will be well-covered in the next edition of my “Rick Steves Italy” guidebook. But wait!! Am I just ruining a rare, fragile, and pristine bit of untouristy Amalfi Coast? Honestly, I don’t know. What do you think?

Interesting notion, this FB post (accompanied by a video of Rick at Minori) has over 11k likes in 2 days so pretty good reach, I guess Minori is as good as doomed now? Some of the most liked comments to the FB video are of people discouraging Rick Steves from popularizing these small towns that locals are still able to enjoy without 3 times the prices and tourist crowds. If I recall the Cinque Terre suffered a similar fate after it was "discovered" by Rick Steves in the 90s/2000s?

Morally, I think maybe Rick should stick to highlighting larger towns/cities that have a better chance of surviving the tourism onslaught that comes with being "discovered" by a world famous guidebook author. Minori only has a local population of 2,500. Did they just receive the kiss of death from Rick?

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I think you vastly overestimate Mr. Steves draw and influence. Minori is not some undiscovered paradise, people have been visiting for Millenia, all the "Instagram" stars have been there, it received lots of attention as one of the sets for "The Equalizer 3".

If it were only the Rick Steves readers descending on their town, they would be lucky, but they are already being swamped.

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I think you vastly overestimate Mr. Steves draw and influence.

Rick Steves has the number 1 best selling guide book for Italy in the US, for many years now. If that's not draw and influence I don't know what is.

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Except that not many people buy guidebooks anymore, though he does have a larger presence, and Americans are only a fraction of the number of visitors to Italy. Believe me, Social Media Influencers, Movies, and the sum of other marketing has much more effect.

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If Rick was truly concerned that he was ruining a place by mentioning it, he really wouldn’t. There may be a lot more visitors carrying blue and yellow guidebooks there than before, but not so many as to smother it.

At Cinque Terre two years ago, the area was smothered by tourists - although most seemed to be German speaking, and I suspect that few of them have ever heard of Mr. Steves, or used his recommendations.

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My impression was that Rick Steves' influence goes way beyond just his guide books, he has his TV shows, news and radio interviews, and with millions of followers over his various social media channels. Like it or not Rick is definitely a social media influencer.

Our American friends can correct me, but I always thought of Rick as the face of European travel in the USA. Maybe he's not such an important guy after all...

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Welcome to Minori, the overlooked Amalfi Coast town where, for a third
the cost — and with a third the crowds — you get triple the Italy

I think this is exactly what a reputable travel guide writer should be doing. When Rick writes about Spain he doesn't omit the chapter on Barcelona. Or not tell us that the Mona Lisa is in the Louvre. Yes, overcrowding is an issue at the world's most popular and limited access or resourced destinations. IMO it isn't the writer or blogger job to decide if a site is ready for tourists. It is the writer's job to tell us why we may want to visit and how to get there.

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When Rick writes about Spain he doesn't omit the chapter on Barcelona. Or not tell us that the Mona Lisa is in the Louvre

There's a very big difference between Barcelona/Paris and a little known small town in Italy where there is still some semblance of local life in an otherwise very overtouristed region. As Rick said in his video, Minori was still full of locals with local prices, he never saw another American, but that may soon all change.

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No research, Carlos, but I tend to agree. I also think it’s a ripple effect. Minori is almost never mentioned here on the forum but now it is. A few people go somewhere at first, tell others, then more go, and it multiplies. It’s hard to go somewhere you’ve never heard of.

Plenty of people here have blamed Rick for the popularity of Cinque Terre (and other places) and it being overrun. So at least some people think it’s an issue. And think of how many posts we see every day with everyone heading the same places.

Now, whether Rick should do something different, I can’t say. He has done a great job of promoting travel, which I think we would all agree is a good thing. Maybe validating some new locations will ease the burden on some of the overrun places.

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We should all treat what we find when traveling the same way as a fisherman. Do not tell the spot. Simple. So when replying here to any queries, do not specify the places you find. That restaurant, that view….nothing. Keep mum if you can. Do not broadcast it on the forums.
How many times do people post itineraries and others chime in with other town suggestions? Instead of X, go to Y, it is so great. This is how it begins, and soon Y is all the rage and when that poster goes back it is no longer the same.
Fight overtourism by not revealing new spots. Keep the tourists in the tourist places.

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I agree with jkh and Carlos and TexasTravelMom. Yes, I think Rick's influence does spread far and wide and can have a great effect on a locale's tourism. But is he obligated (morally) to stop doing that? No, that's his job and he's good at it. And as TTM said, that's not always a bad thing. More people now feel that travel is much more accessible to them because of his books and media presence.

For what it's worth, about 8+ years ago, Rick Steves came to Cincinnati to speak at the downtown library. I went with a friend and enjoyed his talk. Before the event began, however, he came out into the audience and said we could ask him questions. So I asked him how he feels when one of his "discoveries" like the Cinque Terre becomes overrun with tourists. I had been there in the mid-1990's (based on his rec) and it was a charming place with very few tourists at the time.

He said he has mixed feelings. On one hand, he loves to share his discoveries with the public and loves to encourage travel, but it does sadden him when that changes the place for the worse. I felt like it was an honest answer; certainly not a glib one. He admitted there is no real solution to it.

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Our American friends can correct me, but I always thought of Rick as the face of European travel in the USA.

In my (US) local library network, there are plenty of RS' books and dvds. Also at the local bookstores. Far more than any other authors' or companies'. I often start my research of a new destination with RS' books. And would follow up with other resources for the (huge) areas not covered by RS. Such as those posted by Gundersen.

RS is widely known to those who like his travelling style. However, that is a small number relative to those who like the other travelling styles.

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Is it moral to criticize the person who supplies this site for free and then question the fact he contributed to over tourism. Just thinking. Why can’t we just go on vacation, if that’s what we call it anymore? I think it’s more fun to scream about tipping, car rental, slow travel, fast travel.

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Interesting perspectives…thank you.

I guess I don’t understand the point of this forum if we are going to keep secrets. If I find a charming village outside the well-know places do I not tell anyone? Who decides when a place has been discovered and we can talk about it?

To me, overcrowding is not about the place, it’s about the crowds. Small towns and large cites both suffer from overcrowding.

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I think what we're doing here is different then what Rick does, this is more spreading information via word of mouth, it's "grassroots" as you Americans say. Meanwhile Rick literally broadcasts his travel tips to millions of followers.

I can probably only count on one hand the people who've actually taken my advice to travel to some lesser known destinations in Spain that I've posted about over the years.

I do like how Rick actually teaches you how to find these lesser known spots for yourself, via his "back door" philosophy.

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...treat what we find when traveling the same way as a fisherman. Do not tell the spot...

On the other hand, perhaps some of the well know places will eventually be like a place Yogi Berri is supposed to have described; "It's so popular nobody goes there anymore".

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I'm pretty sure that his recommendations will have an impact. I don't think he alone can either start or stop the tourist stampede in any area. I don't always agree with Rick Steves on everything, but I do respect that he is a thoughtful traveler who cares about the people in the countries he visits.

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Does RS travel guidance offer a wide band of information distributed in Niagra Falls velocity? Absolutely. Is RS the only purveyor of the travel data? Nope. RS offers a whale of information, but is not the only whale in the ocean. Literally cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube nor rationally expect RS to stop what he does so well.
I applaud Carlos thoughts, but asking for RS to only regurgitate the well known destinations is something he has always done while also adding new data to our travel encyclopedia. RS may be the grease on the wheels of travelers to surge into smaller places, but the ship has sailed from my perspective,
I also applaud RS for leadership on travel impacts to the environment and his consistent messaging on how to be respectful on locals as we visit their towns. There are so many people traveling, overwhelming the known and quickly spreading into smaller cultures. Can RS slow them down? Doubtful. However, as RS acolytes we can follow RS leadership on being better travelers.

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I also applaud RS for leadership on travel impacts to the environment and his consistent messaging on how to be respectful on locals as we visit their towns. There are so many people traveling, overwhelming the known and quickly spreading into smaller cultures. Can RS slow them down? Doubtful. However, as RS acolytes we can follow RS leadership on being better travelers.

Interesting, seems the prevailing notion from this comment and others is that if a small town like Minori is already doomed to be overtouristed, it is better that RS travelers are the ones to do it?

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Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful conversation. I'd like to add a few thoughts...

"If I recall the Cinque Terre suffered a similar fate after it was "discovered" by Rick Steves in the 90s/2000s?"

The Cinque Terre seems to be the most notable example of a place that surged in popularity as a result of Rick's work, and it has led him to be more thoughtful about what places we do and don't recommend. (In my opinion, while the Cinque Terre was bustling and popular from Rick's recommendations - and I hear those who lament that e.g. Vernazza wasn't the sleepy quaint fishing village it once was - the arrival of cruise-ship crowds (docking in Livorno and taking the train in) really changed the scene. Monterosso is big enough that it can absorb more people without it feeling wall-to-wall, but Vernazza is just slammed with people during the day to the point that it's hard to walk down the street. It's now best to see Vernazza early or late in the day.)

"If Rick was truly concerned that he was ruining a place by mentioning it, he really wouldn’t."

I've worked for Rick for 17 years, and I'm aware that we actively avoid recommending some places because of concerns that it wouldn't be able to handle the crowds (or that increased popularity would destroy the appeal making the recommendation pointless).

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I've worked for Rick for 17 years, and I'm aware that we actively avoid recommending some places because of concerns that it wouldn't be able to handle the crowds (or that increased popularity would destroy the appeal making the recommendation pointless).

Thanks very much Webmaster for your insight! It is good to hear that Rick and the team do actively reflect on the potential negative impacts that recommending a place to his audience might have on the local community. I do hope Minori does not suffer the same fate as Vernazza, as they seem similar in size.

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Per Wiki:

In the 19th century, after a long period of stagnation, Vernazza
returned to wine production, enlarging and creating new terraced
hillsides. The result was a revitalisation of Vernazza's commerce.
Also at this time, the construction of the Genoa–La Spezia rail line
began, putting an end to Vernazza's long isolation. The population of
Vernazza increased by 60% as a result. Meanwhile, the construction of
La Spezia's naval base also proved important to Vernazza in providing
employment for many members of the community.

With the arrival of the 20th century, Vernazza experienced a wave of
emigration as working the land was viewed as dangerous and the cause
of disease, and the ability to further exploit agriculture diminished.

In 1997, the Cinque Terre was recognised as a World Heritage Site by
UNESCO and in 1999 the National Park of the Cinque Terre was created.
Today the main source of revenue for Vernazza is tourism. However, as
a testimony to the strength of centuries-old tradition, fishing, wine
and olive oil production still continue.

As of 2022, population of Vernazza was 738. This is after this beautiful quaint but dying little town hugging a rocky coast was popularized by Rick Steves. Indeed many had discovered its charms before Rick but undoubtedly he helped increase tourism.

This notion that these towns like Vernazza and Minori weren't already on the tourist map and that tourism wasn't their lifeblood before Rick Steves seems to be untrue. As you can see from the above, the Cinque Terre was a world Heritage site before Rick waxed poetic about it. Minori is on the Amafi coast. It didn't just move there. It's been there.

If Vernazza or Minori or Barcelona or Amsterdam or Venice or Orlando or Las Vegas or Giza or wherever wanted less tourists, less crowding, and less ecological challenge, then they can do something about that-- and some are. Moving the cruise port out of Venice was such an act. Repeat that in Barcelona or Cinque Terre. Regulating, taxing and limiting AirBNBs and hotels are other tools.

I am sympathetic to locals who want to reduce crowding. It is easy to understand their point of view. I am supportive to whatever measures they take to preserve their Crown Jewels.

I am however not critical of travel writers like Rick Steves writing about places to travel. I am not critical of tourists who travel to those places. Both travel writers and travelers should be good stewards and thoughtful and inquisitive. If locals don't want tourists, I as a tourist understand that and will leave them in peace. But clearly the population of Cinque Terre and the Amalfi coast were clamoring for business before Rick ever wrote a word about them. If they now want to govern or limit that, that seems very fair too.

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If Vernazza or Minori or Barcelona or Amsterdam or Venice or Orlando or Las Vegas or Giza or wherever wanted less tourists, less crowding, and less ecological challenge, then they can do something about that-- and some are. Moving the cruise port out of Venice was such an act. Repeat that in Barcelona or Cinque Terre. Regulating, taxing and limiting AirBNBs and hotels are other tools. I am sympathetic to locals who want to reduce crowding.

To be frank, you are putting a lot of the heavy lifting on those locals you are sympathetic for. I think just putting the responsibility all on the local population is not helpful, it's not a one way street, there is only so much you can do. I think tourists (and guidebook writers) should also take some responsibility to research and understand how they might be negatively impacting a local community, and maybe choose a different destination. Seems the Rick Steves team are thinking along those lines too, which is good to hear.

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If Rick was truly concerned that he was ruining a place by mentioning it, he really wouldn’t.

The question is which Rick?

Should Rick the owner of bus tours, only mention places that his tours visit. If none of his tours visit Minori, why would he mention it?

Should Rick the travel writer have a responsibility to share new found places like Minori. I would think so. Otherwise, what is so special about a travel writer who writes about visiting the Vatican Museum, the Louvre or the Alps?

Rick wears many hats and he has a "bully pulpit" to speak his mind about a lot of topics ranging from backdoors and politics to opinions on hotels and restaurants. The reader, viewer or listener always makes the final choice in the end. I can't say I would go out of my way to visit Minori because Rick likes it, but many people will because Rick said it.

There are many opinions Rick espouses about social and political issues, backdoors and second cities that I don't agree with sometimes, but in the end, I have to make the final decision. Saying that Rick Steves is a culprit in ruining a place makes him sound like a cult leader who has blind followers. I hope he doesn't. I am sure Rick wouldn't want to be a cult leader, good or bad.

If everybody goes to second cities, will they become first cities? After second cities suffer from over tourism, can we go back to the first cities that are now designated second cities? Will the original first cities want us back or will they dislike us because we chose second cities instead of them. Who's on first Abbott? Have a good week.

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Fair enough Carlos.

Ah, if only Cleveland were as popular as Barcelona! (You know Cleveland was the Silicon Valley of the US back in 1910. Wow! Those were the days.)

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I can probably only count on one hand the people who've actually taken my advice to travel to some lesser known destinations in Spain that I've posted about over the years.

LOL! Maybe true, Carlos, but I am totally going to blame you for some of my stops in Poland. (lots of laughing emojis here). However I am pretty sure Swidnica can withstand a little more American tourism…..

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Ah, if only Cleveland were as popular as Barcelona!

Well maybe you get some people going to Toledo, thinking they are going to the Spanish one lol!

LOL! Maybe true, Carlos, but I am totally going to blame you for some of my stops in Poland. (lots of laughing emojis here). However I am pretty sure Swidnica can withstand a little more American tourism…..

The "off the beaten path" places in Poland I recommend I count on the other hand haha, i'm going to need a 3rd hand with Sweden ;-)

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Have you seen the colosseum?
No.
La Sagrada Familia?
No.
Tower of London?
No.
The Acropolis?
No.
The Louvere?
No.
The Eiffel Tower?
No.
The canals of Venice?
No.
Well, what have you seen in 10 trips to Europe?
Lots of secondary cities!

Show me someone who brags about how in tune they are they only do and only recommend secondary cities and I will show you someone that has already done all of the “first” cities.

I think tourists (and guidebook writers) should also take some
responsibility to research and understand how they might be negatively
impacting a local community, and maybe choose a different destination.

How many hours or days of research will it take a tourist until he knows better than the locals? Afterall, in most places they are still grappling to find a solution; but the tourist will choose for them? A tad presumptious?

Barcelona doesnt want all the tourists? Carlos posted some polling of the locals. The minority dont want tourists at the current level. So you are going to make the moral judgment in the favor of the miniority? Cause its a cause and causes are wonderful?

You want to do some resarch before traveling? Learn the local laws and systems so you flow with greater ease for yourself and less disruption for those around you. Beyond that, you will never be well enough informed to come to conclusions that the locals havent been able to come to.

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Well maybe you get some people going to Toledo, thinking they are going to the Spanish one lol!

Time spent in Toledo Ohio would be worthwhile. They have a fine art museum that has free admission to this day due to the industrial giants. As an art historian I find Toledo's art museum enjoyable - I'd personally conduct a tour for free. Any city with Libby and Dow Corning in it's history is likely to have a fine glass collection.

While the demise of much of the industry has been difficult the resulting lessening of the pollution is remarkable.

The Toledo Zoo is a real surprise and you might find a good concert there too. Detroit's Zoo is only better because of it's superb new penguinarium.

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Puts me in mind of the Yogi Berra quote, "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

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Minori isn't some sleepy backwater nobody has ever heard of. It's literally right next to Amalfi

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My wife and I love both secondary cities and secondary countries. We have been to more of the Balkans countries than some. Partly this is ancestor touring. Partly this is because we are cheap, and the Balkans used to be cheaper than, say, Germany. Unfortunately, we will probably not be going back to Croatia, as their recent switch to the Euro has increased prices.

We have made some wonderful discoveries in secondary cities. In Oradea, we happened upon a "Art Nuevo" festival which included tours inside locked apartments. The only tour available was in Romanian, but we went anyway. Who cares if we couldn't understand most of the comments (some of the others translated occasionally for us). We saw a bunch of cool interiors. In Timisoara, we were informed of a wonderful "house museum". Small cities, big memories.

As to Rick Steves, in 2011, we took a trip with our grown children. My daughter made a FB album called "In Rick Steves we trust".

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To be fair, the Webmasters here have, a few times over the years, introduced the topic of "travel ethics" for open discussion. I think much of what is being pointed out falls within that. Personal attacks and demeaning tones should be avoided, but it's not automatically negative to bring such things into a public discussion.

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I understand Rick's quandary, but think his job is still to talk about the places he loves and thinks others will love too. I don't blame him for overcrowding. I blame social media, Airbnb, cheap discount airlines, the rise of cruising in Europe, and emerging global economies sending masses of their own tourists to places like Europe that already get a lot of tourism as is. I think one can still be a responsible tourist without having to avoid the places that you want to see.

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Yes, discussing travel ethics is OK in this forum as long as it's in this sort of thread. As this has been a topic at issue recently, I'll clarify that it shouldn't distract in other threads, when the OP is trying to get answers.