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Rail Europe or Strictly Train Operators

I have a Eurail global 2nd class pass for a month as I'll be on a UK/EU trip from June 10th to July 10th. For many of my seat reservations, I'm able to get them through the actual train operators. However, any train that goes or leaves France, has been somewhat of a pain. This is my itinerary for my trains involving France:

  • London St. Pancras intl => Lille Europe (June 21st)
  • Lille Flandres => Paris Nord (June 21st)
  • Paris Montparnasse => Toulouse Matabiau (June 21st)

  • Toulouse Matabiau => Lyon Part Dieu (June 24th)

  • Lyon Part Dieu => Geneve (June 24th)

  • Geneve => Zuerich HB (June 24th)

People have suggested using Rail Europe to make these seat reservations rather than b-Europe due to the price. If I'm able to go through b-Europe, should I? Or is Rail Europe safe enough? Also, some of the seat reservations I'm getting are through OBB even though they're not the official train operator for that train (SBB, DB, Trenitalia, etc.), is there any risks with that or will I be okay since it's an official train operator?

Posted by
19247 posts

I don't know if they are still in business, but there used to be a company called "Euraide" which would help you get reservations for European trains.

Posted by
21087 posts

Lyon Part Dieu => Geneve is a TER with no reservations.
Geneve => Zuerich HB is a Swiss IC train that does not require reservations, but you can buy them for 5 CHF if you like from SBB.

The fact that SNCF owns Rail Europe may have something to do with it.

Posted by
3 posts

Ohhh, I didn't know Rail Europe was actually owned by SNCF, that makes a bit more sense now. I'm only making reservations that involve my big travel days; going between countries, etc. at the moment especially since I haven't been to the EU in June and don't know how the crowds are going to be.

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21087 posts

There are 2 direct trains from Geneva to Zurich every hour. The trains actually originate at Geneva airport, so you will be one of the first people on board. Because trains are so frequent, Swiss seldom buy seat reservations, thus it is pretty safe to just get on board and find a seat. If someone did reserve a seat, it will show on the electronic indicator above the seat.

Posted by
2465 posts

Toulouse-Lyon you could also get at the station. In Switzerland I wouldn’t bother with reservations.

Regarding buying reservations from other operators: anyone with a link in the European reservation system can reserve seats for you. It’s just that some have easier interfaces than others. SNCF for example doesn’t really want people with Eurail passes on their trains.

Posted by
33708 posts

In France you don't want normal seat reservations, all IC, EC, some TER, all TGV, require special rationed Pass Holder reservations which are rarer (even if there are still seats on the train) and rationed, especially rationed on international trains.

Don't buy the wrong thing - you've already spent enough for the pass, you don't want to waste more money and then still have to buy the correct pass holder reservations.

France is much more difficult for pass holders than other countries.

Posted by
7653 posts

If, for whatever reason, you are changing trains and stations at Lille- you may find it easier just to buy an ordinary ticket for that leg to Paris. It is also interesting that, buying a normal ticket, 1st class is just 2 Euro more than 2nd class on many trains. Booking on SNCF that includes your seat reservation- which you get to choose off a plan- either upstairs (Haute) or downstairs (basse).

If you are taking the 0704 train from London that 33 Euro 2nd/35 Euro 1st class fare applies to the train you are catching- so that may be your easiest option to upgrade to 1st class for that leg on your own separate ticket.

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33708 posts

buying tickets may be excess spending as the OP has a railpass

Posted by
3 posts

Should I be making seat reservations for IC and EC trains even though they say they're optional? Some of the other travel I will be doing is between Zurich and Munich, Munich and Vienna, Zurich and Frankfurt

Posted by
21087 posts

Up to you, but they could be useful on certain trains. Zurich to Munich automatically comes with a seat reservation when you buy a ticket. Munich-Vienna and Zurich-Frankfurt can also get full depending on the timing. For these, I would check the DB app which will show the projected loading a week before. If it is showing heavy (3 stick figures), buy seat reservations as they are only 4.90 EUR.

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2465 posts

With the frequency of trains in the DACH area it is generally not necessary to reserve far in advance. You will be perfectly fine reserving a ticket at the station the day before. Trains are mass transit here. There are always tickets. It is rare for all seats to get reserved. You book in advance for the discounts, not because "tickets might run out". If there is one place where you should let go of your seat anxiety it is here...

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7653 posts

DACH is an acronym for D (Deutschland- Germany), A (Austria), CH (Switzerland- Confoederatio Helvetica/The Helvetic Republic )