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Public transportation in Europe

Hi folks,
I'm traveling through 5 different countries in Europe this summer, and (particularly Paris for 9 days, and Florence Italy.)
I was wondering what you've used for public transportation, have you opted for the 1,3,5 day unlimited passes or the Oyster card, basic passes in Paris, and 1 time use tickets?
The Oyster card seems too complicated, What if I don't use all of the money on it, will it just be sitting there and get wasted and un used? I'm assuming its a non refundable kind of thing?

I'm not sure which other ways to travel in Paris, other than buying single day passes or a pack of ten. I'm not sure which is cheapest, and the most useful. Especially for 10 days...

What are your suggestions on using different types of passes for public transit?

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20137 posts

In Paris, the Navigo Semaine (week) pass is great. But it only goes Monday morning to Sunday night. Supplement it with a carnet to get 9 or 10 whole days. 21.25 EUR for all zones including the airport, plus a 5 EUR initial set-up fee. Bring your 1" by 1 1/4" passport type photo with.

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32213 posts

Banana,

As I recall, you'll pay a deposit to obtain an Oyster card and then "load" it with whatever amount you want. It's easy to top-up at Kiosks in the stations (credit card required as I recall). When you leave, you can get a refund for the amount remaining on the card.

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15585 posts

The oyster card sounds complicated, but once you figure out what you need, it is easy to use, convenient and will save you money. You get a full refund, including the deposit you pay for the card, but there's a caveat. 1 If you need to "top up" the card, you should always pay the same way that you did originally (either cash or the same credit card). 2 Make sure you don't have more than £10 left on the card when you're ready to return it. You can return it at just about any tube station. You will get a refund on the spot (the balance plus the deposit) either cash or a credit to your credit card, depending on which you used to buy it. If your balance is over £10, or you mixed payment methods, they'll mail you a check in pounds, and your bank will probably charge you more than what the check is worth to process it. If you think you'll be back in the next couple of years, you can hang on to the card for next time. BTW if you aren't sure, you can ask the bus driver or tube agent to read the card and tell you the balance.

Which oyster to get and how much to put on it? Don't buy the visitor card. It costs a lot to have it shipped to you. Buy a regular card at a tube station in London. You can buy it at Heathrow when you land and use it right away to take the tube into the city. You want "plain vanilla" - not contactless, no Oyster account. This page has pretty clear explanations. If you are in London for 6 days or more, a 7-day travel card saves you money too. Here's a chart for fares. Most tourists only travel within Zones 1-2, so that's usually the best buy. The ride from Heathrow is more zones, the card will figure it out. The Oyster will automatically calculate the lowest fares. If you are going to be in London for more than 7 days, when you get the oyster you can ask that the 7-day travel begin on a specific day, not necessarily when you buy it. For instance, if you won't be doing much traveling on your first day, and going on a day trip out of town the next day, you can buy the 7-days when you get the oyster and have it start on your Day 3. Take a deep breath, go through it slowly. Once you realize your options are limited, you can ignore the tons of irrelevant information. Then you just hop on a bus or take the tube whenever and wherever, no worries, no calculations.

The navigo is a weekly pass, beginning on Monday. Do not get the visite pass designed for tourists. You'll need a small photo (about 1"x1.25" - I used a photocopier to reduce a passport photo) to insert in the card when you buy it. You can buy it at most metro stations (but only from an agent and often the stations are not manned, especially the smaller ones). This UNofficial site seems to have reliable, up-to-date info on the navigo and is easy to follow, will answer all your questions.

If your 9 days in Paris are mid-week to mid-week, it's possible that the navigo won't save you money. But it may be worth the convenience. While Paris is more 'walkable' than London, there are still considerable distances and your feet can get pretty tired too. With the navigo, you can hop on a bus for a couple of stops, or just ride it for a "free bus tour" of different parts of the city, without thinking whether it's worth the price of a ride. You don't have to fumble for the individual tickets or mix up the new and used ones.

Other cities - each one is different. In Florence you'll easily walk everywhere. In Rome, a travel pass can be useful. In Venice, a vaporetto pass nearly always saves you money. Where else are you headed?

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Thanks folks your information was definitely helpful!

I'll check out the navigo for the last half of my stay so I can time it just right to use it for the airport. Do you know if it starts calculating days? when you buy it, or when you first use it?

I'm so afraid to try to buy a ticket or anything like use an atm because I'm afraid I'll look like a target pulling my wallet out in a train station or in the street. :/
First stop is
Reykjavik Iceland
to
London England
to
Amsterdam Netherlands
to
Paris France
to
Florence Italy (which I feel least prepared for)

Fly out of Bologna.

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20137 posts

Yes, everybody using the machines, (and they exit to be used) has to do the same thing. Occasionally, local bums will stand by the machines and "help" you buy the ticket, helping themselves to some of your money. so tell em to get lost, or walk away. This usually is at big train stations with arriving tourists like Gare du Nord in Paris or Santa Maria Novella in Florence. In Paris, you can buy at ticket windows. In Florence, you can buy tickets a Tabac (cigarette/newsstand).

The Navigo goes Monday morning to Sunday night, period. You can buy it early in the week and it will still pay off, but it always expires at midnight Sunday. Then it has to be reloaded.

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16893 posts

You'll be pulling out your wallet to pay for things pretty much all day, every day. One safeguard is not to carry more cash or plastic in that easily-accessible wallet than you expect to need for the day. Once you have a transit pass or Paris Museum Pass in hand, that slightly reduces the number of cash payments you'll make.

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5836 posts

RE: Occasionally, local bums will stand by the machines and "help" you buy the ticket, helping themselves to some of your money. so tell em to get lost, or walk away.

I bought train tickets from a ticket machine in Oslo 4 or 5 years ago using my Mag Stripe (no chip) credit card. A young lady attendant at the Oslo S ticket machines (in uniform of a sorts) kindly helped me through the mag stripe and signature card process to obtain my train tickets for the next morning. Not all helpers are bums.

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20137 posts

That is true, but that is Norway, and indeed Venice airport has uniformed helpers at the ticket kiosk outside on the traffic island. But Milano Centrale and Roma Termini are notorious, as is Gare du Nord.

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14520 posts

Hi,

Gare du Nord if you speak good French is no problem, was there at times with a French person, went like a snap , no problem But w/o the language it can get taxing, when the counter with the Union Jack attached to it still sometimes has no English speaking staff member. SNCF machines don't US credit cards, ie more time wasted standing in line. Bottom line...one must be patient at Nord.

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15585 posts

Please reread the responses. The Oyster weekly card can start any day. The navigo begins on Monday and ends on Sunday, period.