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PSA: Reminder - No Politics

It seems that I need to remind a number of you that politics are not acceptable in this forum. It does not matter what day it is today or any other day. This is a travel forum. That means no topics on political subjects, no side comments, no unnecessary references, no jabs... do not bring it up. It almost always devolves into arguments, and arguments are to be kept off our boards at all times. Even when it doesn't create an argument in the moment, nothing is faster at creating division among the members of our community.

When a thread goes off the rails, do not expect moderators to take time pruning a thread to retain useful info further up thread. It takes significant time out of our primary jobs to read through all posts of a thread to determine what should and shouldn't be retained. Moderators are trained to simply remove a problematic thread if it cannot be quickly brought back on topic with the removal of a post or two. With apologies to those who genuinely contributed, this is the way it has been and needs to be for folks to understand that there are consequences for bringing up politics.

Because we all know who Rick is and someone will want to argue the point, yes, he is political. But not here.

Be careful with exceptions. Yes, you may reference someone in politics such as a US president if it is specifically about something they do that affects travel and if your post is devoid of political commentary. You can refer to a protest, demonstration, or a strike if you keep the focus on how it affects travel in the local area. However, to be clear, reference to a political figure or event does not excuse you to reply with political commentary. Keep Community Guideline #4 in mind.

Keep threads on topic (#1). If you're always making your post about travel, you're in the clear.

Posted by
8062 posts

So is posting about a trip to Warsaw considered Pole-itical?

Posted by
12195 posts

Perhaps reading what RS has to say might be helpful.

I do not see anything that says 'taking potshots' at someone with a different view is encouraged or tolerated.

Ten Tips for Traveling as a Political Act
https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/10-tips-for-traveling-as-a-political-act

The great value of travel is the opportunity it offers you to pry open your hometown blinders and broaden your perspective. And when we implement that world view as citizens of our great nation, we make travel a political act. Here are my top ten tips for doing just that:

  1. Get out of your comfort zone: Choose Managua over Mazatlán or Turkey over Greece. When visiting Israel, explore the West Bank. You can enjoy far richer experiences for far less money by venturing away from the mainstream.

  2. Connect with people, and try to understand them: Make itinerary decisions that put you in touch with locals. Stay in people's homes (check out Airbnb or Couchsurfing) and spend time with your hosts. Visit a university, eat in the cafeteria, and make a new friend. Seek answers for cultural riddles: Why do some Hindus feed their cows better than their children? Why do many Muslim women wear scarves? Why do Norwegians so willingly pay high taxes?

  3. Be a cultural chameleon: Embrace cultural differences with joy rather than with judgment. Eat with your fingers in a Sri Lankan restaurant that has no silverware, dip your fries in mayonnaise in Belgium, smoke a hookah in Greece, kiss a stranger on both cheeks in France, or attend a hurling match in Ireland. Rather than gawking at pilgrims, become one. Climb Rome's Scala Santa (Holy Stairs) on your knees, feeling the pain while finding comfort in the frescoes of saints all around you.

  4. Understand contemporary context: While traveling, read the local news. Scan The Times of India in Mumbai. Go to a political rally in Scotland. Listen to expat radio on Spain's Costa del Sol. Think about how all societies are on parallel evolutionary tracks. Imagine how the American approach to vexing societal problems might work in other places — and (more importantly) vice versa.

  5. Empathize with the other 96 percent of humanity: Just like Americans have the American Dream, others have their own dreams. Put yourself in the shoes (or sandals, or bare feet) of the people you meet. Find out why Basque people are so passionate about their language. Drink with Catholics in a Northern Ireland pub, discussing the notion of the tyranny of the majority. As you travel, learn to celebrate the local Nathan Hales and Ethan Allens, such as Turkey's Atatürk or El Salvador's Oscar Romero.

  6. Identify — and undermine — your own ethnocentricity: The US has been preoccupied with terrorism for the last generation. But other nations have their own, sometimes heavier baggage. Ponder societal needs even more fundamental than freedom and democracy. Why is Putin so popular in Russia? Why would a modern, well-educated Egyptian be willing to take a bullet for the newest military dictator (as my friend in Cairo just told me)? Why, in some struggling countries, does stability trump democracy?

  7. Accept the legitimacy of other moralities: Be open to the possibility that controversial activities are not objectively "right" or "wrong." Consider Germany's approach to prostitution or the Netherlands' marijuana policy, both of which are based on pragmatic harm reduction rather than moralism. Get a French farmer's take on force-feeding his geese to produce foie gras. Ask a Spaniard why bullfighting still thrives — and why it's covered not in the sports pages, but in the arts section of the local newspaper. You don't have to like their answer, but at least try to understand it.

Check link for the last 3. Space limit precludes all fitting in one post

Posted by
2506 posts

Thank you webmaster for the reminder. There was a post over the weekend that has been removed and rightfully so as it was almost to the point of being nasty regarding political views. There is no place on this site, in my view, for such commentary. As related lets keep on traveling and learning in positive ways.

Posted by
106 posts

There was a post over the weekend

The post posed a valid question about a situation that I dealt with many times previously concerning discussions with European relatives and family friends. It is a real and difficult spot we get put in. It’s unfortunate it was stomped on by at least one person.

Posted by
5413 posts

The post posed a valid question about a situation that I dealt with
many times previously concerning discussions with European relatives
and family friends. It is a real and difficult spot we get put in.
It’s unfortunate it was stomped on by at least one person.

Agree, if you are going to actually speak to anyone, it IS going to occur. I guess like most problems if we all just don't talk about it, all of this will go away...lol

Posted by
1613 posts

The Webmaster did the right thing. There are other forums for political discussion. This one is for real travel-related subjects.

Thank you, Webmaster. You have the support of nearly everyone who participates in or freads the forum.

Posted by
576 posts

I completely agree with the intent of this PSA. I just wish RS and Cameron H would also follow this advice. I have been an avid RS fan for 20+ years and have all the guidebooks. However, each time RS or CH make a political statement in one of their FB or MNT posts or videos it is so off putting to those of us who have a different view and just want to escape from politics to enjoy travel. I have learned to "tune out" their comments because their travel advice is so valuable, but it would be nice if we didn't have to do that.

Posted by
3066 posts

Nice to see that everyone has taken the Webmasters cautionary note to heart ...

Posted by
106 posts

Maybe a Zoom call for those interested in formulating responses to set questions is the better place to discuss. Political themed forums are all troll dominated and useless.

Posted by
375 posts

Thank you Team Rick! You have a great forum for travel! Keep up the good work.

Posted by
1045 posts

First, thank you, Cyn and travelerguy. ;)

Second, Francis, I get it. I get it so much that I thought I pre-empted your point in my OP to avoid this tangent. Alas, it seems that I need to explain that. The idea - here, in this forum, now - is to keep politics out of the forum. An anonymous online space is not conducive to respectful exchanges of political ideas. It just creates arguments and it makes everyone involved unhappy. Overseeing a forum that can devolve into left vs right across the political spectrum of many countries is very different from the point of TAPA, and people tend to jump to conclusions because it has the word "political" in the title. Those who haven't read Travel as a Political Act don't understand that the point is about how traveling will infer on your politics as it helps you to learn more and connect more with other people, cultures, and points of view (Joe's post explains the difference better). It's not about picking sides, derailing travel topics in an online forum with unnecessary political references, causing or engaging in arguments, or getting people to leave our forum because they're not here to deal with that. I hope you all can appreciate the difference. Our #1 guideline is to stay on topic, and that alone should be enough for people to get it.

Third, several of you in this very thread did not seem to get it, diving right into political commentary, as if the best way to respond to this was to throw the other side under the proverbial bus for how that removed thread went down (such posts were removed). A bigger point is to not position yourself in opposition to a swath of others here. It's divisive. It is not helpful in an online space meant to bring a community of travelers together.

Fourth, Charles I get it. I'm only here to control the forum. Hopefully you and others find my actions to be neutral politically as I only wish to ensure that our forum can function in its intended capacity as a place to talk travel.

Fifth, just in the time that I've written this, I've seen another post that steers the conversation right back into specific commentary about one side of the political divide over the other. While I appreciate the support it showed for how I'm running the forum, I've removed it, and I'm locking the thread.

Thanks to all of you for doing your very best to make sure your posts are about travel and avoid politics.