Predictions

I knew someone would post this ....twopffenig

Travel won’t go back the the “old normal” until a vaccine is developed and made available to all. There are some who believe vaccines do more harm than good and will not take the shot. For those not believing in vaccines I wonder if they will be allowed to travel in European countries. Even with a vaccine, I doubt we will see family style dinners on Rick Steves tours, where people pass dishes around the table.

Frank II, you're absolutely right, but its human nature to want to talk about it. As someone once told me, "talking about a problem gives us the comforting illusion that we're actually doing something about it".

I take the "This Too, Shall Pass" approach. I am one person out of 7 billion. The world existed long before me and will keep going long after me. Life is what it is. There are always going to be disruptions for wars, diseases, natural disasters, etc.. So for now, I am only going to do car trips in the USA. Even then, I am not planning anything any time soon. A lot of things are still closed.

There will be a mass-produced, effective vaccine by January 2021, thus allowing for a relative return to normalcy.

For the time being explore your own state and country.

Lars639 and Big Mike.....where is your proof? Where do you get your information? Share your source so we know it is legit and not just your opinion. If it's only your opinion, say so.

Stan....I agree, people want to talk about it. But too many share their beliefs as if it's gospel rather than just saying "I think" or "This is what I believe" Sadly, too many people believe whatever they read on the internet.

Only a handful are sharing real information while others just write whatever they want to believe.

Contributors should be allowed to give their opinion. But they need to state it is their opinion, it is what they think, and not write it in such a way that it is the truth. It's not.

These days, Frank II, I assume everything is just opinion until there’s a reliable source sited.

Frank, I notice that this is a very "hot button" issue with you. I predict that you will be much happier if you can find a way to not let the statements and assumptions of others bother you so much.

Hang in there, and stay well.

Almost everything posted in this forum is opinion -- what flights are best to get from point A to B and on what airline, which hotel is best when you get there, is train travel better than renting a car, do we visit this site early or late in the day, what time of year is it best to visit a specific country, and on and on. I see no complaints when people express their opinions on those topics, so why this one specifically?

It is true that the answer to the questions are as stated because no one knows. And we all want to know those answers, some probably more than others, as soon as possible. But just like all the other questions being answered, people are going to state their opinion. I take everything I see on this forum as an opinion unless there is a specific reference to a verifiable source. After all, isn't this just supposed to be a place where we get together and chat about travel in all of its variations, good bad and ugly, and maybe debate about a few things impacting enjoyment of travel?

I believe in sharing facts, not opinion. If I give my opinion, I say it's my opinion. Not everyone does that but posts as if it's the truth. But I guess just about everyone these days takes the opinions they like as facts in all aspects of the media. Whether it's true or not.

If people want to take someone's opinion as fact, who am I to stop them. Perhaps I should encourage it. Less crowds.

My bag is packed, got a new rod. Just waiting for a country with trout to open its borders. That's a fact.

Well, Colorado is open and has lots and lots of trout. That's what I had for lunch yesterday -- noting quite as good as fresh caught trout. Why not fish there? You wouldn't even have to fly to get there. I'm sure the businesses would be just as happy to take your money, and need it just as much, as those in other countries.

We don't plan to try any major traveling until 2021/

I am not so worried about the fatality risk, which for us is extremely low, with no underlying conditions, but I don't think many places will be ready for tourism yet.

geovagriffith, in the locations I am thinking of visiting most everything is open now for local tourism. I dont think that is an issue.

Mark, I only do catch and release. And I've fished CO a few times. Time for new places. Did Bosnia, Montenegro, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Scotland; Ukraine, Albania, Kosovo next on the list.

James E, Oregon is open for fishing and we have some of the best fishing rivers in the US. Most other US states are open for outdoor recreation. I can't believe you've fished every 'hot' spot in the US - for whatever type of fishing you enjoy and for whatever particular fish you're interested in.

Portugal opened today. Any trout fishing there?

And yes, Americans can go without quarantine. You will need a mask.

Frank II, really? How did they do that in the face of the EU? But excellent news!

And yes, outstanding fly fishing.

Nancy, why go to Europe at all until you have seen every corner of the US?

Here is one of many similar reports on various news channels in which Dr. Fauci says he is "cautiously optimistic." Forum readers who are interested can simply Google "Dr. Fauci vaccine" and find the various versions of the same info....some sources give more info than others....worth skimming several of them to get the entire picture.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/health/fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-2021/index.html

But, I do not think any reliable source has absolutely stated that there WILL be an effective vaccine in early 2021...but several are hopeful.

And, there would be priorities in determining who would receive the vaccine first...health care workers, high-risk and elderly, etc....all yet to be solidly determined once there is something to actually administer.

Maggie, let's hope not.

Without predictions, there would be no theory, religion, creativity, discourse , science, and exploration. ....twopffenig

I predict COVD will not return in the Fall. I predict a new more dangerous virus will emerge in the fall.

Well, nobody and I mean nobody knows for sure. I'm trying to strike a tone of optimism but apologize if I misled anyone. I'm no doctor but I'm pretty daggone good at predicting things. My wife calls me "Dr. Love" lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/health/fauci-coronavirus-vaccine-2021/index.html

US should have a 'couple hundred million' doses of a Covid-19 vaccine by the start of 2021, Fauci says

Oops Maggie already has this covered. I'll leave my post as is so ya'll know I've been here.

Like Maggie said "hope to have" is not the same thing as "will have". Given he's not in charge of vaccines (the guy who was got fired) he's speculating - an educated guess for sure, but still a guess.

You are damn right. There will be no vaccine!!! Look at the posts from March, they made it clear, 2 years to develop a vaccine. Never, if COVID is like AIDS. We wont know till it's too late

Most of the articles say that Dr. Fauci states there will be several million doses of an unproven vaccine candidate by end of the year because the manufacturers feel there is a high probability that one will work due to early trials and want to be ahead of the curve when (if) one gets approved. It is also highly probable that whatever they create now will simply end up in the trash if further trials do not show the level of promise needed to continue with the process.

Not the same thing as having millions of doses of a proven vaccine ready by then.

And yes, it is my opinion which seems to be shared with lots of people working on the vaccines, that there may never be one for this virus if it turns out to be similar to the other ones out there we never found a vaccine for.

why go to Europe at all until you have seen every corner of the US?

Different people have different likes and different reasons to like what they like. Let them travel where they want. I am not going to judge, but I reserve the right to not understand their choices.

I have combined travel through the US with travel through the rest of the world for my entire traveling life. My goal was to see most of the more difficult spots in my younger years leaving the easier spots for long after retirement when I might not be as mobile. So, I have seen some of all of it without limiting myself to any one area because why would you? I also see nothing wrong with touring only the USA if I feel like it.

Right now, any travel for me will be to spots in the US for the near future. Mainly because of the uncertainty of travel in the current world. Europe and the rest of the world will still be there when I get ready.

Mark, good job of taking a response to a particular question totally out of context, then writing an essay on it. Not that you are terribly wrong on this count ... but is revealing in a bigger context.

James, revealing how? Your statement confuses me. I guess I can just not make statements here unless I am answering questions directed to me from now on.

Statement in responce to my preferring to fish in Europe:

James E, Oregon is open for fishing and we have some of the best
fishing rivers in the US. Most other US states are open for outdoor
recreation. I can't believe you've fished every 'hot' spot in the US -
for whatever type of fishing you enjoy and for whatever particular
fish you're interested in.

Response

Nancy, why go to Europe at all until you have seen every corner of the
US?

But, Mark, like I said, your essay was pretty much correct, in my opinion.

Back to fly fishing...
I will be in Missoula fly fishing next month and I can't wait. 3 of us in the boat including the guide, I think that satisfies the social distancing rule.

Fish dont care about social distancing. My bucket list got so big that I purchased a 7 piece rod, hip waders and a cheap pair of lightweight boots, that fit in a bag most flights consider "personal item" as it fits under the seat then pick my next trip based on the fishing. Truth is I may only spend 4 out of 16 or 18 days fishing, but it's what opened places like Bosnia and Montenegro to me. Great trips.

Some places in the US are off limits right now due to either quarantines, which forced us to cancel a July trip to 4 states I've never visited, or to high covid numbers. Our plans for 2020 are now limited to the states that we're pretty sure will take us without quarantine, like our own. Of course, if there's a second wave, all bets are off.

Which states require quarantine???

Hawaii

https://www.hawaiitourismauthority.org/news/alerts/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/

And Alaska, and https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/what-to-know-about-each-state-during-the-coronavirus%3famp=true

But the article is wrong about Nevada ... I have a friend in Vegas this weekend, no quarantine.

No one knows, for sure. But this state we're in won't be for forever... I can at least hope that things will get better.