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Pocket Camcorder?

We're doing a 3 week vacation in Europe starting in the middle of June (London, Paris, Munich, Salzburg, Venice, Florence, and Rome). We were thinking of getting one of those high-definition pocket camcorders to take with us. Something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Kodak-Pocket-Video-Camera-Black/dp/B002HOPUPC

Would it be worth it? Are there generally that many video worthy shots? I'd hate to buy it (and lug it along) only to end up using it once, but I'd also hate to miss out on a lot if I don't end up bringing it.

Yays or nays? Thanks!

Posted by
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I was just going to recommend a Flip as well. Around $150 for the basic model, and it's really fun and easy to use.

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I would also strongly recommend the Flip Nano. It is perfect for quickly recording action and sound. We have used it to record street performers, the Bastille Day parade, fireworks off the Eiffel Tower, church bells sounding in Rome etc. Just a few minutes of recording really captures a scene that a camera can't. It is easy to use and very small. We wouldn't go to Europe without it.

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How do these cameras preform in low light conditions - like churches or museums? I know they can't be great, but can you make out what's going on, or is it a big black screen? Are you even allow to take video in many of those types of places?

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I think it is really personal preference and photography style. At one time I carried a Hi8mm and shoot dozens of hours of video. I have never looked at all of it. I now have a major collection of 8mm cassettes that I am not sure what to do with. On the other hand I have hundreds of stills that I have looked at frequently and have organized into different collections. I haven't shot any video for the past ten years or so. In my opinion you can do so much more with stills than video.

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I agree with Frank 100%. We used to do lots of video and never watched it. But our vacation photos scroll trough our computer desktop and we see them every day. I think almost everyone overestimates how interesting video clips will be in the future.

That said, however, there are times - like catching a street performer - when you just want a little bit of action in your vacation memories. I have heard plenty of people say good things about the Flip video, but it sounds to me like you are a person who hates redundancy - why have it if you aren't going to need it, right? So in that vein, I would suggest that you simply use the video function on your still camera. If you keep the clips short they don't take too much memory and the quality of the shots (at least in cameras less than 3 years old) are pretty good.

That's essentially what we have done for the last three trips and I wouldn't do it any other way. We have taken maybe 5000 photos which we adore and maybe a few dozen short video clips which we try to force ourselves to watch once a year or so.

By the way, HD is nice if you have an HD Tv at home and you use a tripod on vacation. If you don't have BOTH of those things, it is completely unneccessary. You would struggle to tell the difference between HD and standard.

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I took a compact camcorder with us on our last trip. I got some great shots of the traffic in Genoa, and again out in the country side....we arrived in a town just in time for the noon church bells...so I got that recorded.

I put both of these on my facebook page for my friends to enjoy. (shortened them to less than 1min in length)

Certainly took a lot more pictures with my digital camera than I did movies with the camcorder. That being said, I did get some great reminders. None of my friends, or family would want to sit through an hour of video recording, but they will sit through a quick slideshow of stills on the TV

Remember, most digital cameras can do short videos - they do eat up the memory card, so take a few extra, or go for the camcorder and MAKE yourself use it for "different' style memories...the sounds!

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I've got the older model of the Flip as well..and I am always surprised by its low light capabilities.
Be aware, though, there's only a 2X DIGITAL zoom....it's useless.

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I started looking at the Flip and ended up getting the Sanyo Xacti (http://tinyurl.com/y52zbbf). It is a 5x zoom. You can find several videos of it on YouTube.

It is a "dual" camera, meaning I can shoot both stills and video. We have a larger camera with more bells and whistles, but the Sanyo is a size that encourages carrying it more places so, yes, it does get used, in my experience.

I also have a small tripod that fits into its case. The most 'disappointing' side of video is that it's hard to get the shot to turn out like a 'Rick Steves' video. Practice ... watch what the pros actually do. "Motion" doesn't mean that you need to swing the camera wildly ... often it's good to have the camera steady and let the camera capture the action in front of it. Or pan very, very slowly.

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I second the recommendation of the Sanyo. It can do double-duty as a digital camera but it's not as convenient for that, so I wouldn't leave my digital camera behind. Overall, you'll probably find that you won't shoot that much video on trip, but having that capability is priceless for the occassions when you do use it. You just need to be leave a couple of hours to get familiar with the unit.

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If my digital camera DIDN'T take video, I would agree with everything said about Flip and other pocket-sized video cameras. I would have one, too.

But my digital camera DOES take decent video (and decent video, as others have alluded to, is all that's really necessary) so I really fail to see the purpose of having both.

Of course you can....If you want to lug it around, carry the extra cables, battery, charger, etc, and have one more thing to remember every time you walk out the door and check for loss or theft 5x a day...no one is going to say you can't.

I just haven't yet heard a compelling reason TO...

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Thanks for the input everyone. I think we're just going to stick with our camera to take video since I agree with a few of you - seems like the sounds and short clips is all we'd really want to get anyway. We're not really big video people to begin with :)

Thanks!

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I would highly recommend The Flip Slice that records for 4 hours in HiDef. I have the Ultra HD that only records for 2 hours.

It comes with the software for your laptop. You can easy d/l each evening to your laptop and start all over again the next day.

They are GREAT!

http://www.ricksteves.com/graffiti/helpline/index.cfm