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please help **need advise** EUROPE ITINERARY *revised*

greetings,

I have re-plan According to suggestion from SAM:

4 nights DEN HAAG ( 1 day trip to DELFT & 1 day AMSTERDAM)
3 nights GHENT ( 1 day trip BRUGGE & 1 DAY BRUSSELS)
3 nights LUXEMBOURGE CITY ( 1 day trip TRIER)
4 nights PARIS ( 1 night at Disneyland)

and more advise ?

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OK, I'll propose an itinerary.
4 days in Amsterdam (or den Haag)
3 days in Ghent
3 days in Luxembourg
4 days in Paris.

This minimizes changes in lodgings, which you might appreciate with a 2-yo.
Amsterdam is my first choice, but it is loud and brash and maybe den Haag will be more low key. It would be easy to visit Amsterdam from there as trains run almost continually.
Ghent is easy to visit Brugge and Brussels by train.
Luxembourg is an easy train ride to Trier if you want to say you've been to Germany and it is an interesting day trip.
Paris, it is easy to take the RER A line to Disneyland for a day.

Amsterdam to Ghent is 2 1/4 to 3 1/2 hours depending on the type of train you take. The Thalys is fast, but expensive unless tickets are bought far in advance. price about 45 EUR per person (not Thalys). 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.
Ghent to Luxembourg is about 4 hours. 42,40 EUR per person bought now, good for any IC train day of travel. 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.
Luxembourg to Paris can be done in 2 1/4 hours on the direct TGV. semiflex tickets can be bought now for 68 EUR per person or 92 EUR day of travel. 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.

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we are couple with 2 years boy

thanks in advance.

Posted by
8889 posts

An unusual combination of locations. Düsseldorf doesn't usually figure highly in a list of places to go in Germany.
Cologne or the Rhine Gorge area are more popular.
"Amsterdam or The Hague" - I vote Amsterdam.
Paris Disneyland - Is your 2-year-old old enough to appreciate this? I would add these days to Paris. Paris needs longer than Amsterdam.
"Brussels OR Gent or any suggestion" - my suggestion is Brugge. A very lovely small old city.
"2 nights in Paris city" - you DO NOT want a car for this. You cannot use it to travel around the city, and most hotels do not have parking.

Do you have a reason for choosing a car for this trip? You will be staying in cities where public transport is easier than driving.
All the legs you listed can be done by train. Paris - Brugge - Amsterdam is High Speed Train which runs at 300 Km/Hr.

Posted by
14 posts

Thanks Chris for the quick reply,

I’ve added Düsseldorf to break the long way from amsterdam to luxembourg

Disneyland planned not only for the boy but also for us as the first time visiting DL paris, I can merge 4 nights for paris but need some place to stay away from the high parking fee (some suggestions to stay close the paris outlet between citycintre and DL.

What about Belgium, any suggestions?

I really need the car for smoothe move and as you know 2 medium bags and baby travel chair for each couple nights

Thank you so much again for sharing your knowledge

Posted by
8889 posts

What about Belgium, any suggestions?

My suggestion was Brugge.

If you are decided on a car, instead of Düsseldorf I would suggest the Rhine Gorge between Koblenz and Bingen.
With a car you need to stay outside Paris city, in the suburbs, but that means commutes every day into Paris by train, and no Paris restaurants in the evening.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but your plan sounds like something put together by someone who has never been to Europe, comes from a country where cities are car orientated (you don't say where you live), and doesn't appreciate that European cities are pedestrian and public transport orientated. It may be somehing you cannot envisage, and a culture shock.

Another advantage of not having a car is you can do "open jaw", and fly back from another city without having to double back.

I make your total 14 nights. How about:

  • 4 nights Amsterdam. Including day trips by train to Hague/Delft/...
  • 2 nights Brugge
  • 4 Nights Paris. Day trip to Disneyland. Day trip to Versailles.
  • 4 Nights London, day trips to Windsor, Canterbury. Fly home from London.

All these palces are linked by High Speed Train which goes a lot faster than you can drive, city centre to city centre.

Posted by
6113 posts

With a 2 year old, you need to change bases as little as possible IMO.

What has prompted such an unusual choice of destinations?

Although I usually advise driving, for this trip, I think it would be best by train, as parking in most of the places you have suggested is very difficult. I would follow the previous post, except that I would not end in London - I would spread the time between Amsterdam, Brugge and Paris and fly home from Paris.

Posted by
7209 posts

ihussain86: Bravo for you in attempting to put together an itinerary on your own. However, your itinerary needs some work. I hope you take the excellent advice of these previous posters and choose fewer cities and leave the rental vehicle behind. Use the trains and make your vacation much more enjoyable.

Posted by
14 posts

Got confused, any suggetions for 14 nights
Roundtrip from Amsterdam with car
*1st week of October
Prfer 2 hours driving each

Thanks for all participants

Posted by
33512 posts

Are you aware that if you are on the train you don't need to take the carseat with you? And that the young boy can go for a walk with you in the train (or crawl) if he gets tired of sitting, that trains have toilets at every carriage or many carriages in the train and that many of those toilets come complete with baby changing tables, and that the trains go right into the centres of the cities you want to get to?

Are you aware that parking in den Haag (The Hague) is often as expensive as that in Amsterdam?

I see your concern for cheap parking hotels. I speak with a great deal of experience of traveling to all these places - I just got back from Luxembourg, by the way. The only place on your list that you may be able to park for free or very cheaply is at a remote Disneyland Paris area chain hotel. The remote hotels have large parkings, and run a bus to near Disneyland. The close in official Disneyland hotels charge around €20 per night parking, and Disneyland if you drive to it and park is even more for a day. At most hotels in the areas you are looking - Luxembourg, Düsseldorf, Ghent, Bruges, - you will probably be looking at between €15 to €25 a night. In Paris it may well be twice that. Really.

You won't be able to drive anywhere near the centre of Düsseldorf because a car rented in the Netherlands will not have an Umweltplakette - a green pollution control disk - on the windscreen and only the outer fringes of many German cities, including virtually all of the Ruhrgebiet where Düsseldorf is located is in the green zone. I happen to have just been looking at it on Wednesday.

Same thing with Paris. And Metz and Reims, where you may stop for a break because you can never get from Luxembourg to the vicinity of Paris in 2 hours. The French have a different pollution control system involving a yellow disk, and a car rented in the Netherlands won't have one.

Virtually all non-EU drivers driving in France (or named on the rental contract) need an International Drivers Permit in conjunction with their home Driver License. These must be obtained from the appropriate authorised authority in the country or state which issued your Driving Licence (spelled both ways because different countries spell it differently).

If you are concerned about the cost of parking, it will pale into insignificance when you see how much you will be paying for Autoroute tolls in France. Take along plenty of cash for that. And keep right as you approach the toll gates - the fast moving queues on the left are for cars with special transponders, and the ones in the centre generally are for chip and PIN credit cards.

You need to know that "national" or default speeds for each country - they are all different - for motorways, dual carriageways, single carriageways, in open land, in built up areas, and urban areas. In France the speed limit is different in dry and rain.

Speed cameras and red-light cameras are everywhere in Netherlands (they invented them), France, Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium. Only some are advertised, most are hidden. And expensive.

Does your carseat have ISOFIX fixings? That is the standard in Europe, but not in many other parts of the world. If not it is unlikely to be compatible.

This is not to dissuade you from driving - just to make you aware of all the tricky things you are setting yourself up for. In the case of your proposed trip - even with a 2 year old - going by train will be much much easier and probably overall much cheaper.

Do not rely on driving timings provided by Googlemaps. They are very optimistic, don't allow for any stops for food, walking or toilets, and make no allowance for traffic or (usually lots of) construction or detours. Use Viamichelin.com for better answers.

I drive or take trains depending on individual trips in Europe. For medical reasons I have to stop every 90 minutes and several times got stuck in traffic and couldn't.

Posted by
14792 posts

Hi,

Why would even think of renting a car in the first place? That means when you look for a hotel, you need a parking space, which certain hotels don't offer. There is a direct train going from Düsseldorf to Amsterdam.

Posted by
11658 posts

Nigel what a lovely and complete answer! You are a gem and a font of information!

Posted by
14 posts

Any suggestion for 14 nights

Start point: Amsterdam
End point : Paris

Prfer rail than buses transporting

Family with 2 yrs boy

Appreciate your participants

Posted by
20977 posts

OK, I'll propose an itinerary.
4 days in Amsterdam (or den Haag)
3 days in Ghent
3 days in Luxembourg
4 days in Paris.

This minimizes changes in lodgings, which you might appreciate with a 2-yo.
Amsterdam is my first choice, but it is loud and brash and maybe den Haag will be more low key. It would be easy to visit Amsterdam from there as trains run almost continually.
Ghent is easy to visit Brugge and Brussels by train.
Luxembourg is an easy train ride to Trier if you want to say you've been to Germany and it is an interesting day trip.
Paris, it is easy to take the RER A line to Disneyland for a day.

Amsterdam to Ghent is 2 1/4 to 3 1/2 hours depending on the type of train you take. The Thalys is fast, but expensive unless tickets are bought far in advance. price about 45 EUR per person (not Thalys). 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.
Ghent to Luxembourg is about 4 hours. 42,40 EUR per person bought now, good for any IC train day of travel. 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.
Luxembourg to Paris can be done in 2 1/4 hours on the direct TGV. semiflex tickets can be bought now for 68 EUR per person or 92 EUR day of travel. 2 yo is free if travels on your lap.

Posted by
1320 posts

I've never known a 2 year old boy who didn't LOVE trains!
You (and your son) will be so happy with this transportation option!

Posted by
20977 posts

Amsterdam Schipol (airport) to den Haag is 8.30 EUR per adult. den Haag has two large train stations, den Haag Centraal and den Haag HS. Trains from the airport go to one or the other. You might pick the one closest to your lodging location. The two stations are about 1 1/2 km apart and connected by a tram line.

When you leave to go to Ghent, leave from den Haag HS, as there is direct train to Antwerp where you will change to a train to Ghent. The train is at 40 past the hour, every hour. Fare to Antwerp is about 26 EUR per adult and another 10 EUR to Ghent St Pieters. You should be able to buy a through ticket at the train station, but I can't get the Netherland or Belgian railway sites to give it to me.

Ghent to Luxembourg is with a train change in Brussels every hour at 54 past the hour. There are also a few trains at other times, taking a little longer and changing trains elsewhere. That is also an anytime fare.

Luxembourg to Paris is best by direct TGV, and once you have your plans fixed, you can save money by buying a ticket on-line with a print-at-home ticket. Use the official site: https://en.voyages-sncf.com/en/tgv
If you have difficulty with credit card payment at that site, you can also use www.trainline.eu, Should be the exact same prices, but their credit card vetting is not as stringent.

Posted by
14 posts

I would proceed with final plan but I faced some difficulties to find suitable hotels in Luxembourg, either too expensive or far away from city and central train station.

therefore, looking to change the Luxembourg with other place can be reached by train between Ghent and Paris.

regards.

Posted by
20977 posts

It looks like you may have painted your self into a corner on this one. I did look at hotel prices in Luxembourg, and I was shocked. I could stay in the lap of luxury in Paris at those prices!

One thing could be to stay longer in den Haag, Ghent and Paris and see more, with more day trips. Another is to make a wide detour to Germany between den Haag and Ghent. Cologne would work, but it does add to rail costs.

I can't think of anything of general interest between Brussels and Paris. Maybe some here can have some suggestions.

Posted by
437 posts

I would drop Luxembourg and add one day to Belgium and two days to Paris.

If you want a small town stop you could split the Brussels-Paris trip but with 14 days I think 3 cities is sufficient. The fast train doesn't really have any stops.

Enjoy the planning and the trip!

Posted by
7175 posts

Day
1. Arrive Amsterdam (4N)
2. Amsterdam
3. Visit to The Hague
4. Amsterdam
5/am. Visit to Harlem
5/pm. Train to Ghent (4N)
6. Visit to Bruges
7. Visit to Brussels
8. Visit to Antwerp
9. Train to Paris (6N)
10. - 14. Paris
15. Depart Paris

Posted by
14 posts

I think I’m gonna stuck with luxembourg 2 nights and add one night for Ghent.

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