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Pickpocketing Odds in London

Revealed: Tube stations worst hit by pickpockets, and their 4,000 victims

Did that get your attention? Does it make you nervous to use the London Tube?

That was the headline on a story in the Evening Standard, Sep 12th, when we were in London last month. My first reaction was wow and then I read the article. Much to do about nothing.

A number of posters on this site, self include, think the whole business of being pick-pocketed is overly hyped. Obviously pick-pocketing is always a possibility so there is a need to be aware and take reasonable precautions but the actually probability is low.

Look at the actually numbers cited in the article. The number was 4,000 victims between February 2015 and 2016. and then broken down between tube lines and tube stations. No mention of the total riders during that same time period. Would like to know what the rate was per thousand riders.

Victoria Station was third on the list at 160 for that year. That is only an average of one theft every two to three days. From searching the Internet the best number I could find for the number of people passing through Victoria Station per day was a quarter million. Having just been there in September, I will believe that number. But just to make the math easier, lets say only 200,000 pass through each day. So if you spend three whole days just hanging out in Victoria Station, walking around, trying to look like a sucker, your probability of being pick-pocketed would be in the range 1 in 600,000 or more. Probably astronomical if you only spend ten minutes passing through Victoria Station each day. Even if you assume high under reporting of theft, the odds are still very, very low.

The number one station was King’s Cross/St. Pancras (Eurostar station) at 215 - less than one per day. Could not find any numbers for the passenger traffic at King’s Cross but if less than one pickpocket per day, what are your odds of being that one. Again, pretty low.

So the take away is - although pick-pocketing is frequently discussion here and the impression given that theft is big problem in Europe, the reality is that your odds, at least in London, of being pick-pocketed is pretty low. And, if you make a little effort to keep your valuables safe and out of reach, relax - your probability of being pick-pocketed should be close to zero.

PS This is the first of a number of observations and reports from our recent month in England and France.

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Those numbers only represent victims who informed the police. Not everyone files a report.
There are lots of other places one can be be robbed in central London besides the subway stations.

From the article:
"... British Transport Police spokesman said that officers sought to identify offenders and prevent crimes, but urged passengers to take precautions to minimise the risk of being targeted by a pickpocket...."

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British Transport Police .... urged passengers to take precautions to minimise the risk of being targeted by a pickpocket

What else would they say? Have you ever heard of police advising people not to take precautions against crime?
Just don't look like a lost first time visitor with all their worldly possessions hanging out of a pocket. Commuters never get pick-pocketed.

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What else would they say?

Yeah but there are folks around here who will take it as a complete affront to the European continent to suggest in anyway shape or form that it's sensible to use a money belt or the hotel room safe.

Commuters never get pick-pocketed.

Read the article (http://tinyurl.com/juklcnu). The only victim interviewed is a commuter.

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One thing that jumps out on reading this is that the highest incidents are at tube stations connected to railway stations. If you were doing these crimes, wouldn't you select the spot with the most targets? The other point that comes to mind would be, is this really any worse than in any of our big cities? And looking at my own home big city, Philadelphia, where not only on the public transit vehicles and in subway stations are there constant announcements to guard your valuables, there is also the high likelihood that any theft action of this nature will likely result in physical assault, rather than just the surreptitious removal of your valuables.

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@Larry: Just curious, but what lines are making those announcements in Philadelphia? I lived in Center City for a very long time and, not owning a car, regularly took SEPTA (buses, regional rail, the El, Broad Street Line) as well as PATCO and never once heard any announcements to guard your valuables. The only place I ever heard anything remotely close was on Amtrak and it was more of the "please check around your seat to make sure you didn't forget any personal belongings". I still routinely go back on business or to see friends and have not heard anything like that.

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So what are the odds of being pickpocketed at a tube station combined with my observation of such an event?

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Re: announcements on guarding your valuables/luggage. I can't recall exactly if I heard announcements to that effect in London at Kings Cross/St Pancras or Victoria Station. It's possible. But definitely warnings in the big train stations in Germany when you hear, "Achten Sie auf Ihr Gepäck!" and the more frequently heard, "Lassen Sie Ihr Gepäck nicht unbeaufsichtigt." (Don't leave your luggage unattended.)

I am on guard in London against pickpockets but much more so in Paris.

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While the odds of being pickpocketed are relatively low, since it happened to me I don't think they are astronomical. Some places and circumstances have increased odds. I think the odds are highest when carrying luggage on public transportation but maybe that's just because that is what I was doing when I was pickpocketed in Naples transferring from the regional train to the local train. I think that pickpockets look for people with luggage because they think the victims will be distracted and maybe even jet lagged and also unfamilar with their surroundings. I had my wallet pickpocketed but it only had money for the day in it because I was also wearing a money belt. Granted that Naples train station likely has more pickpockets than the Lonon tube. But the London tube is very crowded during rush hour so the opportunity is there for professional criminals.

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Having worked in London for over 25 years and having used the tube thousands of times, I have never been pick-pocketed. I don't use a money belt as that singles you out as a tourist - I carry a handbag, but ensure that I have my hand over the zip fastener at all times. Otherwise, carry your wallet in an inside pocket that zips.

The only time I have ever been pick-pocketed was in Salema in Portugal, a place much-recommended RS. You can be unlucky anywhere.

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The latest figures I can readily find for personal theft across the whole of London is just under 18,000 for the year up to Sept 2015. Twice as many women report this as men. Mobile phones are the number 1 target.

London has a fair amount of overt and covert police operations against personal theft, concentrated around crowds and leading up to Christmas.

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Ceidleh - don't know how long it's been since you were here, or when you left, but this is a constant announcement on the subways.. It will play most times after the announcement of what train it is after leaving stops.

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I'm surprised to hear that mobile phones are the main item stolen. "Apple picking" used to be a problem in Paris and other cities in Europe, but I haven't heard of this happening for awhile. With the newer smartphones, if the owner has a robust screen lock code, I'm not sure how much value they would have to thieves as they wouldn't be usable. The FBI had enormous difficulty unlocking the phone from the San Bernadino suspect, and required very specialized equipment to do that. Also, iPhones can be wiped clean or traced with the "Find my iPhone" app, and a few thieves in this area have been tracked down by police using that method.

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With regard to money belts:

First, I don't wear a money belt in my home country either. If I would lose my driver's license or credit cards, it would be a pain in the ass but a lot less of a pain than if I were in another country. I have family and friends here who could lend me a car/give me rides until I replaced the license, and my credit union is here and I have access to all my accounts for cash. I don't carry my passport at home; I keep it in my safe-deposit box.

When I'm out of the country, my passport is the only item that allows me to leave one country and enter another. It's my only official identity outside of the US. That's why I wear a money belt in Europe and anywhere else I'd go. My passport is too important to forget, misplace, or allow thieves access to it. Same goes for my credit cards and cash.

Second, I don't access the money belt in public. No one knows I'm wearing it except the people I'm traveling with.

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What Sarah said about money belts. :)

And I have to add that the only times I have been pick pocked were here in the good old US--once in Chicago and once in NYC. Both were pains in the neck, but since i was home I was able to deal with it.

I want to add that the MTA in NYC regularly tells passengers to watch their belongings. Here's a link to the safety page. The security stuff is at the end. There's a good point made about sleeping on the subway. When you have a half hour ride or longer and it's been a long day, it's really easy to just rest your eyes for a minute or two, but it's not wise.

Pam

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I had my wallet stolen in the Notting Hill Gate tube station on a Saturday morning. I was in a rush, had my purse dangling behind me back and the station was packed. I lived in London at the time so of course I was not wearing a money belt. I noticed that my purse was unclasped when I exited the station and thought I just had not secured it when I put my travelcard back in my purse. then I went into a coffee shop and realized I had no wallet. I returned to the tube station and reported it to the Transit Police in the station. They had the number for Visa International on the wall and they let me call right from the station to report my cards stolen. I ended up getting the wallet back a couple days later with everything except the cash.

I still don't wear a money belt in London, but I do take steps to minimize risk. I leave one of my credit cards in the hotel safe. I am also much more careful to keep my hand on my purse when I am in a crowd.

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Thank you Emma, for your comments. It is a bit tiring to so often be lumped in together under a mass label of similarity.

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All of Europe lumped together as to the risk of being pickpocketed? I didn't get that drift from this thread. Some random thoughts though. Not all posters live where pickpockets are active. Around here, most men carry wallets unsecured in their back pockets...no problem. Those living where pickpockets are active in America, Europe, and elsewhere, surely have their own ways to easily manage whatever risk may be present. I am reminded of being escorted to the nearest bank ATM in a large third world city by a teenager. She wove through the crush of seemingly disorganized speeding motorbikes, autos, trucks and buses with great and deserved confidence. Me? This is it...gonna be flattened here and now.

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Well lumping together the significant differences in populations living in a very large geographic area is not restricted to some of us visiting Europe. It's always funny to talk with incoming foreign exchange students about their first choices as to placement in American cities. New York and Los Angeles are the common stated preferences...not much beyond. Instead, a small city in Montana pops up and they rush to search the Internet to learn more.

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emma,

The term "Apple Picking" is a bit dated, but still applicable AFAIK. Here are a few examples.....

I normally keep my phone out-of-sight when in places that might be a bit more risky, like Tube or Metro stations. If the location is especially risky, i place it into a Velcro pocket in my Vest. The Velcro is very robust and almost takes a crowbar to open it. On top of that, the phone has a rubberized case and fits tightly into the pocket, so it's an effort to remove it even for me.

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Well the kill switch on Apple iPhones has reduced thefts, "Since the implementation of the “kill switch” last year, iPhone robbery related crimes have dropped significantly across the world. In a report released by the New York Times, iPhone theft in London has fallen 24%, San Francisco by 38%, and New York by 19%." GeeksBlog.com