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ÖBB Overnight train review

As many of you know, we are living in Italy with our Chocolate Lab Barley. Our most recent trip was to Salzburg, Budapest and Vienna over Christmas. We decided to try the overnight train from Milan to Salzburg and back, since we knew Barley would be fine overnight for 12 hours.

Traveling by train with a dog requires some preplanning and predictability. We took a 4:30 train from Verbania, where we had three hours in Milano Porta Garibaldi until our 9:10 departure time on OBB, Austrian rail, with expected arrival in Salzburg at 6:15 am. We splurged on the delux double with a toilet, sink and shower. (€269 each way). While I couldn’t imagine taking a shower in the tiny space, it was great having a toilet. My husband took the top bunk, with a narrow ladder to climb up to bed. We were provided with two small bottles of sparkling wine, slippers, bottled water, and earplugs. Overall we did not sleep good, between the stops, movement and noises, it was equivalent to sleeping on an airplane. If you sleep on planes and in cars, you’d probably sleep OK. At some point during the night we noticed we were not moving for a while. The cabin attendant woke us up at 5:30 to let us know we would be delayed by two hours due to delays from the train from Rome. Apparently the overnight trains merge someplace in Austria where they reconnect cars to Munich (Salzburg stop) and cars to Vienna and that direction. As our car was getting shuffled around it was not condisive to sleep. And sharing my bottom bunk with a 90 pound dog, didn’t help sleeping either.

We arrived in Salzburg at around 8:30 worn out and tired, dropped our stuff off at our hotel, then went back at 2:00 when our room was ready.

Our train back was to leave Salzburg at 10:00 pm, with arrival time in Milan at 8:10am. Since we were taking the 11:40am train from Vienna to Salzburg, we had about 8 hours to kill. And since I’d come down with Bronchitis, killing 8 hours in rainy Salzburg sitting in cafes or wandering was not going to be any fun. So we splurged on a hotel room at the train station to hang out for the afternoon and evening. My husband took Barley on a couple walks to make sure he was ready for another 10-12 train ride.

The train arrived early, we settled in our “delux” cabin, and went to bed. I only slept a bit better due to the prescription of codeine pills to help me sleep through the night. Early in the morning we noticed we were stopped at a station near Lake Garda for an extended time. I got up to see if we had time to get off and let Barley take care of business. The attendant said there had been an accident with a person so the train was delayed for an unknown period of time. But we could get off the train, and Barley appreciated a short walk along the platform.

We arrived at Milano Porta Garibaldi two hours late, and only had an hour to wait for our 10:45 train back home to Verbania.

After this trip we would not take overnight trains again. For train trips longer than 5 hours during the day, we will either break up the journey into two legs, with an hour connection time, or break the journey with an overnight stay at a hotel.

Unless you can sleep anyplace, regardless of noise, movement, and temperature (too hot or too cold), I’d avoid the overnight train as a way to save time. (Certainly doesn’t save money) Plus, with late departure times, you have hours to kill until you board the train. So in our case we basically paid for an extra hotel room.

When we go to Sicily in May, we are going to take the overnight ferry, and reserve a private dog friendly cabin. We’ll see how that goes, compared to the train.

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Karen - you're very brave to take on a night train with your 90lb dog in those small bunks! That would be tough even with my little 16lb gal.

I happen to be one of those (in the probable minority) who can sleep on night trains and enjoys the adventure of them. I'm sorry it wasn't the case for you, but thanks for sharing your experience so that others can evaluate and decide for themselves whether to give it a try.

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In our younger days, when night trains were prevalent before cheap flights and we were traveling on a shoestring, we took many. We paid for 2nd class couchettes, ie 6 strangers sharing sleeping space, a sheet, too hot, too cold, long stops, brakes screeching. And I was able to sleep on any form of transportation in those days: planes, trains, buses, ferries. But the overnight train was miserable and I invariably came down with a cold. The last one I ever took was round trip Paris-Vienna in 1993, a 2nd class cabin over the wheels in the 1st class wagon, so we got sheets, blanket, wash basin, no toilet, and only two roommates of the same sex.

Now you've just confirmed that even in 1st class private cabins today on overnight trains can still be miserable.

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A key difference between sleeping on an overnight train versus economy class on an airplane are the flat bunk beds (which I have shared with my luggage but never a large dog). It can even be possible to roll over! But the other factors you mentioned still exist.

I think you'll find the overnight ferry much more quiet and steady. On the Naples-Palermo route, I nearly slept through all the arrival announcements, so I recommend setting an alarm.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I once took a OeBB train from Vienna to Munich 1st class (unfortunately we'd purchased Eurail passes before we knew any better) but that remains the most pleasant rail journey I ever took, except perhaps 1st class on a TGV from Stuttgart to Paris. Both were really lovely.

Our only overnight experience was in Romania, which may have colored it a bit, but we had the same issues. I'm not someone who can sleep anywhere easily, and despite the old-world charm of the car, the heat was stifling, but opening the window made it impossibly noisy. The sounds, smells, movement, it was all just unpleasant.

I love high speed rail for long-distances when I can work it into my budget or get cheaper tickets, but a night train just doesn't make sense for me in a world of budget airlines and hotels.

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Glad to hear the ferry will be better (not the QM 2......) We have at least four in our 2020 exit strategy. Two from Naples to Palermo and back, next from Ancona to Split, and last from Amsterdam to Newcastle. All three allow a dog in the cabin with us, so that will keep Barley happy. And we can take him on the deck if he needs to go. The worst part of the overnights (train or ferry) is killing time from checkout until the ferry/train boards, sometimes as late as midnight. But at least the ferries will be from May-July so we will have nice summer weather.

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In my younger days I took a couple of overnight ferries (Athens-Chios and something between Italy and Yugoslavia, I think) as well as perhaps half a dozen night trains. The ferry experiences were much, much better than the night trains. I wouldn't hesitate to take an overnight ferry again.

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A key difference between sleeping on an overnight train versus economy
class on an airplane are the flat bunk beds (which I have shared with
my luggage but never a large dog).

Another key difference is 2 hours vs 8 hours. But if you are on a budget, maybe so. A better idea is to plan a trip that doesnt require a lot of travel time. But I realize we all have those "I gotta see it" things and some times travel time is the price you gotta pay.

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Karen — thank you for taking the time to write up your experience of these two night trains. We so often get the question here, and this will be an invaluable recent real experience to refer people to.

I am sorry you got sick and didn’t rest well. Hope you are home now and feeling better.

Can’t believe it is time for you all to be thinking about your departure! Hope the ferries work well for you.

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The latest news is that ÕBB has taken the lead in not only promoting but expanding night train travel, since CNL abolished it in Dec 2015.

Bravo for ÕBB. Sitting in the night train 6 seat 2nd class compartments on the Night Jet trains is fine but sitting in a general seating area is much more preferable. Going by night to Italy is on the ÕBB Night Jet from Vienna or Munich.

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So Karen, is there a better way to get to Salzberg from Italy? I am going on the Alps tour this summer, but we will be starting our trip in Italy, not flying in from the states. I have been trying to find a good route from Italy to Salzburg. The night train looked like it might be the best option. Ideas?

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Still take the train, but during the day. Where in Italy will you depart from? Search on the OBB app or website. From Milan there are option with 2-4 trains taking 8-10 hours.

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The mattresses were comfortable. Pillows not good, like big flat airplane pillows. But the end of the bed props up a few inches at your head so that helped. Temperature- way too warm. On the first trip, the room was 80 degrees when we walked in. So we opened the door to the hallway for a bit, and the top of the window props open, so that cooled it off. But took multiple attempts to get the window to cllick shut, and it’s really noisy with window open. My husband had the top bunk, and he roasted both trips. The length of the bunks were fine, but narrow, maybe 24”. Also only a heavy comforter, no separate sheet, so if you are too warm with comforter, it was too cold with no sheet.

Lots of luggage storage either in the corner next to bathroom, or shelf space above bathroom and hallway. But somewhat difficult to access.

When the bunks are pulled up there are three not too comfortable seats.

See link on seat 61 website. Scroll down to delux cabin with WC
man in seat 61 OBB overnight