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New Reporting Feature - It's Here

Hello everyone,
As many of you have noted over the years, our forum has needed a better system for reporting posts that violate our Community Guidelines. When you are signed in, as of the first week of December (available now), you'll find that there is a "Report" link alongside every post. Clicking this will allow you to submit a report to us. You will no longer need to indicate who the violator is, what web page the violation is on, or which post is in violation. We will now get this information automatically. This should make it much easier and faster for you to let us know when guideline violations occur. This may even allow us to clean things faster. We'll see how that goes.

OK, now for some ground rules! While we can handle and help shape how people use this new feature on a one-on-one basis with new users, we probably can't do that with all of you at once... at least not effectively. So, please kindly read the following...

  • When you submit a report, you will be prompted for a short explanation for why you find the post to be a violation of our Community Guidelines. The short character count is intentionally limiting so that we can get right at the heart of the issue. We are looking for simple reports like "This is spam", "This looks like promotion", "I find X offensive", "I feel attacked by X". X stands for the specific words in the post you find troublesome. If we need more information, we will send you a PM or email.

  • We will review every report. You may not receive word regarding the actions taken in response to your report. Actions taken in moderation of others’ violations are private. Please know that the new Report feature is not a black hole. Please trust that we take appropriate action behind the scenes even when what is visible to you may not match your expectations. We will do our best to address issues in a timely manner as we do now.

  • Please only submit one report per violation. Reporting something more than once will only slow down the process, not speed it up or cause automatic removal of the post in question.

  • Please only submit one report per blatant spammer.

  • If there are many posts in a thread that are in violation because of an open argument, please do not report every post. That would be a lot for us to wade through and will slow down the cleanup process. Please just report the initiating violation and indicate in your report that more violations follow. You may give a second report if there is one other post in particular that really needs to be looked at.

  • As always, if you simply do not like a post because it doesn’t answer the question or it wasn’t militantly positive, this is not grounds for moderation. We are all adults and we need to be able to look beyond perceived slights when it is possible that something was not intended to be negative or when information could be helpful to others if it isn’t for you. Follow the golden rule of forum behavior (if you don’t like a post, move on to the next one). That being said, we do not support snark, etc and we do our best to eliminate genuine negativity when reported.

  • We will always prefer that you report an issue instead of responding publicly to it.

Since this new feature is more efficient for you, we expect the volume of reports to increase. We may not have the time to thank you personally. We will do our best to check in with you as we can. Thanks for continuing to help keep our community clean. We couldn’t do it without you.

Posted by
1006 posts

On a separate note, as it was just Thanksgiving, I want to give thanks to all of you who help keep this forum clean. There are quite a number of you that have submitted reports at one time or another, and there are several that submit them regularly. Everyone in this community, including me, appreciates that as, really, it allows this forum to exist.

Dating back to the inception of the Helpline, there are over 130,000 topics/threads in this Rick Steves Travel Forum. The amount of help you've provided to other travelers is nothing short of amazing.

Thanks to you all. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

Posted by
1878 posts

Great work on this. After taking a break from posting for a few months, I have recently noticed an improvement in the tone on these boards and so have been dipping my toe back in the water. Keep up the good work!

Posted by
9371 posts

Thanks, Andrew! I look forward to seeing how it works out. Hope you had a great holiday, as well!

Posted by
15777 posts

Terrific. BTW if the violation is spam or advertising, I don't think the reporter needs to receive feedback from the support team. . . in the interests of reducing the workload.

Posted by
10114 posts

That's a great idea and should work well. Thanks!

Posted by
2349 posts

Can I report when Eileen won't stay on her side of the Helpline? Plus she's looking at me funny.

Posted by
752 posts

I self-monitor my own posts. The whole idea of a post is to learn what Other travelers know, what Others have experienced. This sharing adds a dimension that enriches travel.

But now and then a reply is only a comment on the original post; it doesn't add anything new or different. If this happens to me, i delete my original post immediately.

I've seen too many posts go bad, spinning into a thread unrelated to the original posts, shutting down any opportunity to learn.

Then there are the personal attacks on an original post, even though nobody knows anybody here personally.

I'm happy for the good help I got. Many of my queries are done while I'm on the road, often in the freezing cold, in an alley outside a stranger's house 'cause that's the only WiFi in town.

Thanks to everybody who saw through the craziness and replied on point. No one said, go to this website or that. You actually did the research for me. That's the mark of real hospitality. It's lonely enough out there, thanks for the company.

Posted by
1976 posts

Thank you for this updated feature! I appreciate being part of a forum where the staff listens to the posters and is genuinely interested in making things more efficient and user-friendly.

Posted by
14649 posts

Thank you, that is great news especially for the frequent fake passport posts. Just having them gone is thanks enough.

editing to add: (After Richard's post) Yes, a lot of the nonsensical spam titles this morning. Do we need to report the threads that are obviously spam based on the title, or does someone from the department do a quick screen and take those down first thing when you come in to the office?

Posted by
1825 posts

I was just looking for the "report a post" feature since there is a bunch of spam posted this morning.

Posted by
32345 posts

Web team,

What a great idea! I look forward to trying the new feature out.

Posted by
3857 posts

Wow, that's a great feature! Thank you Andrew and Web Staff! Much more efficient than the old message to the Webmaster, and including the thread title in the message, various details, etc.

Posted by
3580 posts

Sounds like a good improvement, Webmaster. Thank you for maintaining this Helpline. It's the only travel helpline that I use. I feel that I can trust the people and their remarks.

Posted by
3580 posts

Sounds like a good improvement, Webmaster. Thank you for maintaining this Helpline. It's the only travel helpline that I use. I feel that I can trust the people and their remarks.

Posted by
11613 posts

Richard, new feature will start this week.

Swan, this is the only forum I use, too.

Andrew, thanks a million, hope you don't get overwhelmed with reports that are just differences of opinion.

Posted by
4535 posts

This is promising, especially for all of the spam threads. I just hope that making it easier to report won't overwhelm the webmasters as now everyone will be reporting the spam threads.

I've reported grossly inappropriate posts before, and it will be nice if it is easier. But I also hope it isn't so easy that people just start reporting posts that they don't like or are a bit snippy.

Posted by
71 posts

Easier reporting is now live. This release also brings along numerous fixes and tweaks

Posted by
33755 posts

Thanks, Nikky.

I was noticing that it is left justified immediately below the post, in blue for hyperlink, and in plain text with just a single word,

I wonder if it were right justified with a button or badge and the text "report this post" rather than just "report" would there be a more obvious understanding of its porpoise and potentially fewer false alarms....

Thanks for the hard work...

Posted by
7897 posts

Having an easy way to report problem posts could be helpful, but the new format certainly takes up a fair amount of screen space, effectively lengthening even very short posts. I wasn't aware there were that many problem posts and spam (although I reported 3 spam messages last week, the 1st time ever doing so). Maybe this will be a huge improvement now, but I wonder if a simple "Report Inappropriate Message" link or button could lead to a screen informing the reporter that they are about to report a problem post, the ramifications of doing so, and also providing the box to decribe, in 50 characters or less, what made the post violate the guidelines?

Posted by
7897 posts

Well, this message likely violates several tenets of the Community Guidelines, but . . . should I report Nigel's post just above, for sea mammal discrimination? He's paying attention to porpoises but completely ignoring dolphins, seals, and whales ;-)

Posted by
1006 posts

Sea mammal discrimination is not acceptable. Clearly, Nigel did that on porpoise.

Moving along, we rather intentionally want the link to be simple and have a low profile. It isn't meant to attract attention, but be available if people are looking for something to do about a violating post. We'll tweak the design or wording if we find that it isn't being used right.

Cheers!

Posted by
10344 posts

Nikky, re "This release also brings along numerous fixes and tweaks."
Can you share with us what some of the new fixes and tweaks were? Just curious.

Posted by
71 posts

Excellent question. Most of the changes are backend enhancements or asset optimizations.

A couple user-facing changes exist:

  • A topic title or content cannot be ALL CAPS, to prevent lots of shouting
  • Removed the functionality where starting a line with 4 spaces would create a preformatted text block that broke wrapping
  • Fix user badge caching so that their badge now properly updated if they were in a new tier.
Posted by
10344 posts

Nikky, thanks for the update on the fixes.

Posted by
2856 posts

Wondering if this annoying "bug" can be fixed. First time I go to the site and bring up the All Topics, the time stamp for the topic is PST (I am EST). When I go to next page, times are correct for my time zone. If I leave RS and come back later, everything is my time zone. It's not a matter of my computer, I have seen this away from home. I believe this has only started with the changes this year.T here's been a few random times over this year where this has not happened, but it never stayed fixed.

Posted by
33755 posts

Thanks so much, Nikky. All those are really good enhancements.

Posted by
2856 posts

Thanks, Phil. That was it. A refresh re-sets it. Ever since I first got on the Internet, I've always had Cookies and History auto-clear when I quit a browser. One reason I don't use Safari or Chrome - has to be done manually.

Posted by
9371 posts

@Cyn:
You said "but I wonder if a simple "Report Inappropriate Message" link or button could lead to a screen informing the reporter that they are about to report a problem post, the ramifications of doing so, and also providing the box to decribe, in 50 characters or less, what made the post violate the guidelines?"

Isn't that kind of what we had under the old system, the one that people found so cumbersome? We had to click a link, cut and paste a URL, and explain what was wrong, then put our email (twice), and a verification word. I think the new way is going to be much easier to use.

Posted by
16505 posts

The new feature is quick and easy! Thank you for this!

Posted by
7897 posts

OK - so I just reported on another Spam message (must be the season for spam, because the 4 messages in the last few days are the first time over several months that I've had any violations to report). I clicked on "Report," expecting a prompt to explain why I was reporting the Fake Degree advertisement, but got no prompt. The 50-characters-or-less explanation box is already displayed on the screen along with each post, but the Webmaster's description above of the new process says a prompt for why something is considered inappropriate would be displayed after clicking "Report." So should one type in an explanation and then hit Report? Did my report get recorded?

@Nancy - Clicking on one button, which brings up a screen asking you to type a very brief explanation of what made a posting offensive, then gives you a "Thank you for your Report" confirmation would not be as cumbersome as the previous cut-and-paste, enter your I.D. twice procedure. As it is now, every post has a "What's wrong with this" message to its left (kind of a downer to see), and clicking "Report" results in no acknowledgement that the report was received, or apparently no actual means to tell the Webmaster why there was a problem with a post. That seems to effectively be a simple "Thumbs Down" vote that was brought up in an earlier thread, but didn't sound like something the Rick Steves Web Team intended.

Posted by
71 posts

Cyn, It sounds like you've encountered a bug. Do you think you could email some more details your computer to [email protected]?

We're particularly interested in:

  • Your operating system (Windows, OS X, Linux, Android, etc.) AND the version number of your OS
  • Your browser (Safari, Chrome, IE) AND the version number of your browser
  • Do you have Javascript turned on?

Thanks.

Posted by
7897 posts

@Nikky- I'll forward details as requested. In the meantime, the screen display today appears as it did before the change, with no "Report" or "Community Guidelines" links, and no box to describe "What's wrong with this post (50 character limit)" on any of the posts.

***EDIT: an hour later, the links are back & show on my screen

Posted by
33755 posts

Looks as designed to me, on Windows.

On the left side of the thread is where each poster's name is. Below that is the location from their profile. Below that is the local time and date of the post. Below that is their post count. Below that is the single word "report". If you click that word, report, a square window pops up which says that you are about to report a post, and a text box to fill in why, and a cancel button and a submit button. If a report is submitted that box closes and a message comes up thanking for the report.

That's what I see using Chrome under Windows 7 on a netbook.

OTOH, I see all that but NOT the report button using Safari under iOS 7.1.2 on a 4s.
The report is also missing under Chrome under Android 4.4.2 on a Samsung Tab 3.

Looks like its not completely perfect yet.

Posted by
5450 posts

On Chrome I have seen the Report link misaligned to appear under the text of the message, so it looked like a link being made by the poster to a report. Only seen this once so far so may have been a one off.

Posted by
4413 posts

Karen, STOP TOUCHING ME!!! Mommmm!!! Make.Her.Stop.Looking.At.Me!

So...now it's easier to report posts that aren't on topic? ;-)