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NEED immediate itinerary advice!

I am planning a trip to Europe in about two months, accompanied by my husband, our daughter, her husband and their three teenage daughters. My husband and I have been to several countries in Europe a few times, but we usually concentrate on Switzerland and primarily the Alps because we love to hike there so much. We want to take them there, of course, (Zermatt and the Jungfrau regions, plus Geneva and Lucerne) but as this is their first Europe trip they want to do lots of historic sightseeing besides.

We had planned to fly in to Milan and skip Rome, concentrating on Florence, Venice and the Cinque Terre before heading north out of Italy, but we now think we will fly to Rome and begin there. We really hate concentrating on big cities because we find them more stressful to navigate with the big crowds, but we also want to get in some of the great, ancient historic sights so we are willing to compromise. Keeping in mind that we prefer the charm of the small, picturesque villages and the glories of nature, I am finding it difficult to get in more of those things and streamline our itinerary. I hate being constantly on the move, but I don't see any way not to be if we wish to include so much.

We will leave in late May and return home in early July, after attending a wedding in a North England castle. In between we will obviously be in Italy and Switzerland, plus Paris and Chamonix (we wanted to take them to L'Aiguille du Midi). I’d like opinions on whether we should forgo Florence since we are now doing Rome, to cut out some of the big city stuff so we have time for more small, quaint villages. Also, how many days does it take to do the major sites in Rome, Venice and Florence? Are there recommended tours to possibly simplify the sightseeing in those cities?

My husband and I drove thru southern France 12 years ago and loved Les Baux, Rocamadour and Carcassonne, and we loved spending a day in the Valley Verzasca in Southern Switzerland with the amazing ancient Italian villages. I had also hoped to include a bit of Austria (Salzburg because of The Sound of Music and Mozart sites), Hallstatt because of Rick's recommendations of its beauty, and a bit of the Rhine River in Germany with all its castles. I've been to Heidelberg and Rothenberg and we are all very interested in Reformation history.

I'm certain this is way too ambitious and want advice on where to cut, or if there are quaint towns that are easier to get to from the big sites where we plan to be. Need help immediately!

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You are trying to balance out some difficult trade offs. Is this your vacation, theirs or a compromise? If it's a compromise will it leave everyone or anyone feeling unsatisfied? These are just a few things to think about.

Do you need to spend all the time together? Perhaps you can go to a small village while others go to Florence?

While the BO and Chamonix are both special, do you need to do both? Choosing one would free up some time. I always go with the intention of going back. So if I miss something on one trip there's always next time.

Have a great trip, it sounds fun.

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How many days do you have from the time you land in Italy until you plan to be in the U.K. for the wedding? I usually print out a calendar I can write on and get a good map to look at while I'm figuring out this part of the trip. We've traveled with our son's family recently (6 people total), and while we wanted to show them sooooo much we had to mentally break it into a doable 4 week trip and another trip in the future. We couldn't begin to show them everything that we loved about Europe in such a short, one month, timeframe.

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Hi,

Keep in mind in Salzburg are two houses of Mozart, the more famous (and more crowded Geburtshaus on Getreidegasse) and the Wohnhaus (his modest residence). Coming from the Hbf you'll see the Wohnhaus first, then cross the small "bridge" a few minutes later, there is the "Mozart Geburtshaus"

In Linz is also a Mozart house located in the Zentrum. Recall Mozart's "Linz" Symphony. I went there last May but it's not a museum, only the plaque pointing out that was the site where he lived in Linz. On the Reformation history, I suggest seeing Augsburg.

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Would you be interested in doing a combination of a Rick Steves 21 Day Best of Europe tour and the rest on your own as a group? Just a thought. Might help ease the stress of planning all of it yourself.

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I understand why you love the smaller cities and towns. Florence and Venice are a good size for cities. Also, towns can be magical, I love Les Baux in the South of France as a great example.

In northern Italy, if you haven't been to Siena and San Gimignano near Florence, in Tuscany, go there.

Also, Lucca, near Pisa. Pisa is good to see the Sacred Compound with the leaning tower. Ravenna on the Adriatic coast is another small town that is a great visit. There are many others in Umbria like Assisi, Perugia, Orvieto and Spoleto.

For Germany, if you haven't done the Romantic Road that stops in some great small cities and towns like Donauwurth, Rhottenburg on Tauber and Dinkelsbuhel (sorry about the spelling). Also, Augsburg.

Rome is one of my favorite cities, since it is so filled with history, art and culture. It is very walkable and easy to get around. The subway system is not the greatest, but is helps. Just watch out for pickpockets. Rome, like Barcelona and Paris are the worst for that.

Regarding tours, check with the company Viator, that has tours virtually everywhere. You may find better local tours, but if you check the tours for Viator, they will cover most of what is great to see in a city.

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I'm also not clear on the time limits. It sounds like you have time to see quite a bit, but should cut off any outlying destinations that detour from a logical route. From Italy, heading to Austria & Germany, or Switzerland & Chamonix, or the south of France, are 3 different directions of travel. You might combine Switzerland with either of the others, but trying all three requires a lot of zigzagging.

Of Rick's various multi-country tours, this 14-day route looks closest to your interests. Between Rome and Florence would be the best time to add the Cinque Terre (5 hours by train along the coastal route), Siena, or smaller Italian towns. Between Switzerland and Paris, Beaune in Burgundy or Colmar in Alsace are attractive alternatives to revisiting places some places you mentioned.

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You are all over the place - a clear case of Analysis Paralysis!

I understand that there are places that you love, that you want your daughter and her family to experience, but you've named a lot of them - Zermatt and the Jungfrau regions, Geneva, Lucerne, Paris, Chamonix. Also you mentioned wanting to include Austria (Hallstatt) and the Rhine River. I will point out that Geneva, Lucerne and Chamonix are not small, picturesque villages, which is something you said you love. Consider focusing the "Alps" portion of the trip and picking your very favorite places that you want to share.

What does your daughter's family want to do? If you asked each them to list the top 5 things they wanted to do or see in Europe, what would each list look like? Try to end up with an itinerary that has a little bit of something each person has chosen. And hopefully, nowhere that anyone will truly dislike visiting.

With a group that size, any movement from place to place will be more complicated than when it's just your husband and yourself, so plan for that. Even a car rental will be difficult; two rental cars would be better. Also you will be in or nearing the most busy times of summer vacation travel.

What I would do is take our a calendar, and think of your trip in chunks or one week or so. Then, broad-brush, plan, for example, two weeks in the Alps (whichever places that ends up being), two weeks in Italy (wherever in Italy), and one week for the wedding. Or one week in the Alps, two weeks in Italy, one week in southern France. That big-picture view will help you start focusing your planning.

And, just saying, you need to get going - hotels may already be booked up.

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Thanks so much, everyone. I never expected to get so many answers so quickly to my rambling questions. I will look your suggestions over and if anyone wants to add any more, I am checking back regularly.

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You have a LOT of planning to do and you are way late in doing it. On the bright side...you have the potential for a great vacation with that amount of time. If you really want help from this forum I suggest you give a time frame and list of places you want to see, and no doubt, several members will give you an itinerary. Rick's guide books will help a lot but don't bother with the hotel recommendations, they will probably be booked (except maybe the most expensive ones). You don't mention if you are willing to rent a car (or in your case a van). Small towns usually need a car and you have many more options. I'd also start preparing everyone to pack light (one carry on) as that will be a lot of luggage.

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To address only the initial question: Florence is artistically gigantic, but is also very urban in ways that might push your buttons. If you do go, you might seek lodgings away from the center, on the other side of the Arno, and plan a pace that lets you take breaks in parks and cafes and/or siestas at midday.

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I’d like opinions on whether we should forgo Florence since we are now doing Rome, to cut out some of the big city stuff so we have time for more small, quaint villages. Also, how many days does it take to do the major sites in Rome, Venice and Florence?

For me Florence and Rome were very different and both were worth a minimum of a few days. Rome for its Roman ruins and the Vatican and Florence for its art and architecture. If you want to include quaint villages I would put Tuscany (3 days) and Alsace (2 days) on your list. To this you would have to add the time it would take you to get to your home in these areas.

If you want to do a whirlwind tour of Rome and Florence I would allot an absolute minimum of three days in Rome: (1 day: Coliseum/Forum/Palatine Hill, Vatican/Vatican, 1 Day: Museum/Sistine Chapel, Pantheon and 1 Day: rest of Rome).

Two days in Florence: one for art (Uffizi Gallery, Accademia Gallery (statue of David) and the other for architecture: Pitti Palace, Il Duomo di Firenze, the Baptistery, Church of Santa Maria Novella and the Ponte Vechio.

Two days in Venice.