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Need help cutting down trip to Berlin/Prague/Vienna/Salzburg/Bavaria

Hi everyone!
My buddy and I are going to Europe in August for, essentially, 13 days. It's his first time in Europe, and he wants to go practically everywhere. I went last year and am trying to urge him to instead slow down - to spend more days in fewer cities, rather than the other way around.
Currently, our plan is to fly into Berlin, then make our way to Prague, Vienna, Salzburg, and Munich/Garmisch before going back to Berlin to fly back out. Personally, I think this is too adventurous, but my buddy needs some convincing. And I need help whittling this list down!
We're pretty easy-going guys, more interested in history, good food, and walking neighborhoods than flashy tours or elaborate nightlife. But I also love good beer and chilled-out bars, so I want to strike a balance.
Currently, this is the plan we've devised, but I want to try to whittle it down. We need to be in Berlin, because that's our arrival/departure point. We need to be in Garmisch to visit a friend. All others are negotiable, but I've never been to Prague or Vienna (been to Munich and Salzburg). What can we cut out of this trip? (Math doesn't add up below, but this is accounting for train travel between cities.)
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Berlin - 2 full days, leave for Prague early on Day 3
Prague - 3 days
Vienna - 2+ days
Salzburg - 1 night, after arriving early-ish from Vienna
Munich - 1.5 days
Garmisch - 1.5 days
Final days traveling to Berlin and flying out

Posted by
1507 posts

I would cut Vienna unless you want to go to Museums. It is a conservative town dedicated to traditional old fashioned Romantic tourism. Sacher Torte is good tho!

Posted by
404 posts

That's an unfair criticism of Vienna - we went last year and loved it. It's true that they are great museums there, but there is plenty more to do. That being said, two days is not enough to see and do everything, especially since you'll be spending three hours the first day getting there from Prague.

3 days in Prague is solid.

Have you already booked your flight? It would be convenient and save you a lot of time to fly in and out of different airports (perhaps Prague on one end and Berlin on the other). I think the train from Berlin to Prague is over 5 hours.

I would scrap one night in Salzburg. One night stops are really not worth it in my opinion. Nothing against Salzburg, but I think you can either do one of Vienna or Salzburg really well. Otherwise you are just going to cross them off your list.

1.5 days isn't really sufficient for Munich either to be honest.

Posted by
16895 posts

I'd rather have more time in both Berlin and Vienna (not sure how much you have in Berlin at the end). Have you decided some priorities for what you want to visit in those cities and is that part doable? That's what you have to decide.

I would cut the stops you've already seen, Munich and Salzburg. Yes, they're "right there" if you must go to Garmisch anyway, and your buddy has not seen them, but they are taking time from other sightseeing options.

Train travel time would of course be reduced if you didn't got to Garmisch, either, for instance if you took a direct overnight train back from Vienna to Berlin. Or, to fit in another town that's closer to Berlin and Prague, you could stop in Dresden without adding travel time.

Posted by
4 posts

We're really leaning towards cutting out Vienna, just to save ourselves the extra train time. Even if we cut out Salzburg/Munich, we'd still need to ride from Prague to Vienna, then Vienna to Garmisch. Thinking we'd instead go from Prague to Salzburg (with a stop in Cesky Krumlov), and hover in that region. We're also getting the impression that Prague and Vienna have a similar classical, romantic feel to them.

It is a shame that we booked tickets into and out of Berlin, instead of doing a couple one-way tickets, but we went for the much, much cheaper option (saved $500 flying into Berlin over other cities).

Posted by
23609 posts

You really should consider flying into Berlin and home form Munich. Probably be cheaper and more convenient.

Opps, just read you have already booked your tickets. What did you pay for your tickets?

Posted by
7175 posts

Punt kick Salzburg out of the plan ...
Berlin (3 nights)
Prague (3 nights)
Vienna (2 nights)
Garmisch (2 nights)
Munich (2 nights)
Berlin (1 night)

Posted by
4 posts

We paid $900 round-trip, each. Pretty much all other round-trip flights cost at least $1,300.

djp_syd, is that enough time for some of those cities? I feel like leaving out only Salzburg won't give us enough time in some other stops, particularly when you consider train time.

Posted by
7175 posts

Not ideally for Vienna, but that's your call. Three nights is 2 full day for the sights.
You could reduce Munich to a single night and add one on to Vienna. Travel time Garmisch-Munich is not long.
Otherwise you may have to choose between Vienna and Munich.

Posted by
85 posts

I'm with Kathleen, Vienna didn't do it for me. Seemed more of a cold government type city, without the quaint neighborhoods that I love to explore in Europe. Been to Europe over ten times, I had high hopes for Vienna, it just disappointed me. One of my biggest European city disappointments. Thought it would be a bigger Salzburg. Salzburg is very nice, but smaller city. I love history, as well. Loved Berchtesgaden, only a half hour away from Salzburg. I'd add a day to Salzburg and visit Hitler's vacation spot up in the mountains. Many tour operators run day trips to Hitler's Eagles Nest. Takes about 1/2 day.

Posted by
15777 posts

No help now, but for next time . . . You said round-trip tickets vs. one-ways. Flying "open-jaw" usually is not any more expensive. When you search, don't look for one-way flights, but for the multi-destination option.

Even if your train route goes through a city, stopping there adds time - packing/unpacking, traveling to/from the station, checking in/out. So it does make sense to drop a destination like Salzburg (maybe Munich too) that you've been to before.

I think Vienna is very different from Prague. Vienna is much more French Empire, while Prague is very Eastern Europe.

What time do you land in Berlin? Is it feasible to take the train straight the Prague, and then spend the end of your trip in Berlin? This saves one hotel change and potentially gives you more time to enjoy this fascintating city.

Posted by
4 posts

Thanks for all the tips, everyone. Looks like we have some thinking to do!

Yeah, too bad we didn't consider multi-city options. And change fees are too high to fix that now. Still, I'm sure we'll have a great time reagrdless; I know how easy it is to overthink these things when you want to do it all.

We get into Berlin around 5:30 p.m on 8/7. Fly out of Berlin at 10:30 a.m. on 8/21.

Posted by
555 posts

Good luck on sifting through the information provided and settling on your itinerary.

For whatever it is worth, I loved Berlin and Salzburg and cannot wait to return to both, and I did not like Vienna enough on my visit to want to return. My visit to Munich, which I liked, was 38 years ago. I have never been to Prague, but want to visit.

Posted by
747 posts

Can you consider flying from Munich to Berlin ? I was able to get inexpensive tickets on air berlin and that will gain us a full day in that city (or to add on to Munich(