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May Itinerary- for your assessment

Planning our third trip and have locked in Airfare and a few hotels. Mostly going back to places we have been with some new destinations mixed in. The theme of the trip has become bicycles, food and wine. Any constructive critique or suggestion is welcomed.

Amsterdam 4 N (unwittingly booked for Kings Day but are embracing the holiday) Hoxton Hotel in the Jordaan, Bike tour or self guided bike trip to Waterland?
fly Rome, rent car and drive to Montepulciano 3N (been to Rome twice and skipping it on this trip)no bikes in Italy but well make up for it with food and wine.
drop car in Siena 2N
Florence 3N Staying in Oltrarno
Long train rides to Beaune (via Milan-Lausanne-Dijon) Beaune 3N biking and wine tasting, Jardins de Lois
Paris 4N (where we love the Velib bikes) Staying on ile St Louis

I've booked all 6 hotels and I'm really happy with the rooms and locations. I am a bit OCD with my planning which I'm sure many here can relate. I leave our days open except for reservations like Anne Frank Huis and The David but most things we'll decide on the day. Now I'm just waiting for exhibition (like at the Grand Palais) and train schedules to come out for May 2017.

Let me know what you think!

Posted by
4132 posts

Hi Richard,

This sounds like fun. I wonder about that train ride, but do not have a counterproposal.

I have done the self-guided Waterland years ago; there was some construction and I got a little lost but still had a blast anyway (wouldn't you?).

That's really your only question, but I'll add that the very helpful bike shop in Beaune can recommend a couple of loops out of the city and that I found the IGN topo map of the area especially useful. They rent VTTs, not road bikes, but those are quite appropriate for hills, tow paths, and cobblestones.

There is a tasting lunch in Aloxe Cortone just north of Beaune that is very fun: the same food for all menus but as you pay more you get better wines.

Posted by
1298 posts

Biking in the Waterland area is easy to do on your own. In 2012, we biked to Edam, then to Volendam where we caught a boat to Marken. I like going on my own because you can explore on your own and stay as little or as long as you like. I did one guided bike tour in Italy (Tuscany area). It was fun to meet others on the trip, but we had no control over how long we stayed in places, going off track if something looked interesting, etc. Waterland was a wonderful place to bike because of all the small villages you can explore.

I posted this reply on the forum previously, but you might find it helpful:

"Here are our stats: We were 57 when we did the whole day trip. We do bike fairly regularly, and we did bike a 32 mile trip to prepare.
The ride was "easy" in that it was flat. (It was much easier than the route we did at home, and that was as flat as I could make it) I mapped it out on both google maps and via michelin. Be sure you hit the bike symbol and it will show you the best bike route. I read about the ride on this web site:

http://richardtullochwriter.com/2009/11/19/amsterdam-cycling-waterland/

My own information said that it was about 30-35 miles for the whole trip. (depending on how you go out and come back. There is no official "route", ) However, if it was that far, it was the easiest 35 miles I have ever done. The only "difficult" part was the wind we encountered riding back from Marken. You cross a very open causeway, and I imagine it is usually windy. We mapped out a route that went like this: We rode the free ferry behind the train station over to the other side. From there, we followed signs to Broeke in Waterland and then onto Edam. From Edam we followed signs to Volendam where we paid to ride a ferry to Marken. (You can bike around as well, but we thought the ferry would be fun) Then we rode back to Amsterdam following the signs to Zunderdorp and then back to Amsterdam. The whole trip is well signed, but I did print a map out before we left, and the bike place gave us another map. We rented our bikes right when the place opened, and were back by late afternoon. It is a full day trip if you do everything we did.

This web site provided information as well:

http://awesomeamsterdam.com/articles/24/day-trips-by-bicycle-waterland

The nice part about the ride is that you don't have to go far to get out of Amsterdam. My sister and her husband went last September, and I helped them map out a 1/2 day route of that included Broeke in Waterland and Zunderdorp towns. (they did not have enough time to do a full day). Overall, it was one of my favorite things we did because it got us out into the country side and let us view rural Netherlands at our pace. Edam was very picturesque, Volendam was way to crowded with day trippers, and Marken is designed for tourists, but was nice. The little villages between were some of my favorites.

There are many ways to go and we actually got a little off course right after the ferry. But there are always signs that point which direction you want to go. Just watch for the little bike symbol on them and try to take that route. (I think we took a road route at the beginning and it was not as nice as the bike routes.)

The ride is to experience the countryside. While we saw many windmills, they were the newer variety like you see here in the US. Marken has some traditional windmills and we also saw one in Edam,"

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Posted by
4105 posts

As an alternative to the train, you might want to try budget Hop Airline, Florence - Lyon. Then train Lyon - Beaune. Should shave around 4 hours and save you some $$$.

Posted by
15773 posts

Friends of mine were in A'dam last year and didn't know about Kings Day, until they got there. It turned out to be a highlight. Another was their visit to Keukenhof - they lucked out and landed at the peak of the tulip season.

Rent bikes to ride around A'dam itself. You'll feel like a local. I'm told the most expensive place to rent is near/at the train station.

Posted by
1825 posts

Well at least nobody replied that my itinerary is crazy so I'll take that as a positive. As for the long train ride, it's not optimal but I'd rather not do another flight and we might just enjoy the ride.

Posted by
7175 posts

Note that the Venice-Paris Night Train makes no stops between Milan and Dijon. You may like to utilise it for that long journey from Florence to Beaune.

FR 9552
Dep 20:00 FIRENZE S.M.N. (Italy)
Arr 21:40 MILANO CENTRALE (Italy)

EN 220
Dep 23:05 MILANO CENTRALE (Italy)
Arr 06:43 DIJON VILLE (France)

TER60883
Dep 07:06 DIJON VILLE (France)
Arr 07:23 BEAUNE (France)