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Language Learning Resources

I always try to learn a few basic words in the languages of any country to which I'm travelling. But on my upcoming trip to Berlin and Paris, I thought I'd like to dive a little deeper. In Berlin, I'll be attending workshops, and while they will be conducted in English, most of the participants will be German-speakers. In Paris, I'd like to try to conduct myself primarily in French. As a Canadian, I learned some French in school and from the backs of cereal boxes. ;) And it was my minor in university. However, that was a long, long time ago, and, because I rarely use it, I can read and write it better than I can converse in it. I did find that the last time I was in Paris, after a few days, I was understanding quite a bit. I thought I'd get a bit of a jump on it by doing some refresher lessons.

So, I tried Duolingo, because I know a lot of people who use it. I was not impressed. I found it childish and too simple. I searched to find out what other sites/apps people recommended and came across a few, such as Rosetta Stone and Mango, as well as others. The best part is, I found out that public libraries often give members free access to one or more of these resources. It turns out, I can use Rosetta Stone with my library membership. I tried it and liked it a lot better than Duolingo.

So, if anyone else is looking to learn a new language, or even just some basics for travelling, check what's available through your library.

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Libraries are great resources so thanks for the heads up, BB!

That said, Duolingo can be very helpful. I started learning German almost 6 years ago, and started in the classroom, first taking lessons at the Germanic American Institute in St. Paul and then taking German classes at the Univ. of Minnesota through the senior citizen education program, which allows anyone over age 62 to take classes at state universities for free (if you audit) or you pay $20 for each tuition credit (it was $10 when I started).

I learned a lot and really enjoyed the classes, but let myself lapse for about a year or so. When I went back to pick it up, I decided to use Duolingo and see how it went. It was more of a refresher course for me, but I was surprised at how much more I learned on Duolingo than I had in any classroom. I think it's because it uses repetition without really explaining the grammar, which is how we learn language as children. We don't learn all the grammatical rules before we start speaking it. In fact, we don't learn grammar until we're well into elementary school years. We learn by hearing and speaking.

Grammar that I struggled over (like reflexive verbs and noun gender) began to come easy for me, and pretty soon I was rattling them off without really even thinking about it. I'm not sure how Duolingo is if you are starting for the first time, but I would recommend it if you are coming back after a period of inactivity and would like to refresh your knowledge.

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"I was surprised at how much more I learned on Duolingo than I had in any classroom. I think it's because it uses repetition without really explaining the grammar, which is how we learn language as children. We don't learn all the grammatical rules before we start speaking it. In fact, we don't learn grammar until we're well into elementary school years. We learn by hearing and speaking."

I can see that. Rosetta Stone is similar in the way that the language is presented, but without all the earning coins stuff, which I didn't like. I also like that Rosetta Stone gives me the chance to speak and try to pronounce the words and evaluates my pronunciation. (Maybe Duolingo does, too, in later lessons. I don't know.)

Whatever works is great! I was happy to learn of the options the library offers, though. :)

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Have you tried Babbel for learning already? A learning app by a Berlin based team which is a larger firm in the meantime.

For best-quality translations to / from German I recommend DeepL (translator, app, browser add-on, ...). Developed by a Cologne base team.

One language related tip from my side: the German letter Eszett (ß) often confuses foreigners. This is not the letter "b" but can be replaced by "ss" in written and by "sz" in spoken form. Therefore the German word "Straße" (street) which is often used in addresses can be written "Strasse" and not "Strabe".

You will find a lot of dialects in Germany, also in Berlin which is widely recognized as likeable. The "g" is often pronounced as "j" which is mainly the same in Swedish btw. Berliners use the shortage term "jwd" for "janz weit draußen" (a place really far away - often just not in Berlin city limits); the correct High German would be "ganz weit draußen".

btw: Low German is an own West Germanic language, not a dialect. The official language in Germany is High German.

Finally: a pleasure for language fans is the German text "Freude scöner Götterfunken" of van Beethoven's Symphony No. 9. The text was written by Friedrich Schiller and - orginally - more a "party" song liked by students (source).

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Thanks for your suggestions, Mark. Babbel is another one that I read was good, as well as Mango, but Rosetta Stone is the one my library offers, so I'm giving that a try.

I've been to other areas of Germany before, for 2 brief visits (Munich and Mainz), so I'm aware of the Strasse/Strabe confusion. I was reading it as Strabe on my first visit before I figured that out, so your advice is good.

I do have some very basic vocabulary (hello, goodbye, please, thank you, and a few other words), but I thought it would be a good idea to expand that a little before this trip.

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BB, you said you found Duolingo to be "childish and simple." Undoubtedly that's why I find it more helpful than Babbel. :o)

Duolingo is indeed very gameified, which I largely ignore. But it has great reminders to do an exercise every day. I still do Babbel a couple of times a week, and also watch the YouTube videos of Guillaume Posé. Combining tools in this way IMO amplifies the learning process.

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I've really been pleased with Pimsleur language courses and have found they work well to learn enough to handle common situations such as buying tickets or ordering in a restaurant. I don't think they're intended to provide fully fluent language skills. I have both Italian and French but unfortunately haven't studied for awhile. I must get back at my studies soon!

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In trying to get my French skills back up to snuff I used Jumpspeak this summer. It's immersive and teaches practical language skills. While my gendering of words wasn't completely up to proper French standards, I emerged after 4 weeks knowing enough to function - both speaking and hearing. Another 2 weeks honed things further. It was money well invested.

The Jumpspeak system uses AI "conversation companions" to stage real conversations. It seems weird at first but is quite useful. I did 15-20 minutes of lessons per day.

Not a paid customer - just one who gave it a try and liked the outcome (and continues to use it, both for French and Dutch).

I'd been on the Duolingo and Jumps wagons for a while, but they didn't teach me anything practical, just nonsensical phrases. It would've taken me over a year of Duolingo to get anywhere functional, in my estimation. What it's good for is practice once you already know the basics of a language.

Another good thing to do in tandem: listen to podcasts in the language you wish to learn.

Good luck!

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I agree that podcasts are a great way of immersing yourself in a language.

For German, I listen to the Easy German podcast a lot, which is based in Berlin. If it's too fast, you can slow the speed down a titch, which makes it easier. They also have a lot of YouTube videos. It's great for just listening to German. Even without understanding what they are saying, it's still making its way into your brain. It's all free although you can get a few extra bennies if you pay something.

Another really good website for learning German is Deutsche Welle (DW), which has amazing resources for people learning German. They have videos and all kinds of ways to learn German. Nicos Weg is a good one that will start you out at the A1 level and take you up to B3; maybe higher. It's really a great place to practice and learn German. https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528

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When it comes to learning a language, you have to stick to it, so you have to take an approach that doesn't bore you. In my case, that means imagining situations I will encounter and what the dialogue might be and then learning sentences that deal with that situation. Where is the bathroom? May I have a cup of coffee? May we sit here? May we sit outside? How much does this cost? That is too expensive. I use Google translate to generate the translations. And then I generate a hypothetical response. "Go straight and turn left at the corner."

Recently, I started having AI (like Google Gemini) create dialogues for me. I prompt it with something like, "Create a dialogue between an American in a restaurant in Madrid, Spain, and a waiter, and provide line by line translations."

I also go to YouTube and watch the free dialogues.

We went to Spain earlier this year and I was quite surprised at how easily I could converse with locals after just hacking around in Spanish for 6 months. I didn't do it in any organized way. I just hacked around in it. What might I say? What might they say in response?
Whatever approach you take, you have to maintain your interest, because in the end, it's all about spending hours and hours and hours being in that language. There are no shortcuts.

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Thanks for all the great suggestions and tips. Merçi bien. Danke.

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" ... because in the end it's all about spending hours and hours and hours being in that language. There are no shortcuts." No truer words said regarding second language acquisition. You simply do the time investment.

Yes, you pound away at it, you set up and stick to your learning objectives working on your speaking skills, speed, fluency, pronunciation, diction, tone, above all correct grammar , intonation, and vocab building both expressions and proper idioms, etc.

You work at your writing skills, focusing on correct grammar, diction, sentence construction, spelling, etc. When you start dreaming in the language, you have made some progress. As so aptly put, "there are no shortcuts."

Bottom line: You cannot overlearn.

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@ Mardee....I always knew that Univ of Minnesota was a great school to study history at the undergrad and grad level in Modern European History. What you say of the University's continuing ed program in pursuing foreign language when one is a senior enhances my opinions of that university. ....fantastic.

Yes, I watch "Easy German" on YouTube as I do with French, "Easy French"

It is indeed a series for language skill review and enhancement as well as learning more of French and German culture, simply very educational linguistically (ie, picking up vocab used in the proper context, etc) and sociologically pertaining to France and Germany.

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"BB, you said you found Duolingo to be "childish and simple." Undoubtedly that's why I find it more helpful than Babbel. :o)"

jphbucks Sorry. No insult intended. I was put off by the gamification, as well as the cartoony drawings, but I can see why it would have some appeal to people less curmudgeonly than I. :)

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No offense taken! I've been accused of being childish by some very important people!

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I've been using the Michel Thomas Method. His method has you thinking in thre language and putting together sentences from the words you've learned.

He can sound a little harsh but it works.

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What you say of the University's continuing ed program in pursuing foreign language when one is a senior enhances my opinions of that university. ....fantastic.

Fred, it is a wonderful program, but it's not just limited to the University of Minnesota. Minnesota itself created the program by statute and allows any person 62 or older to audit classes for free at any state university or get tuition credit for $20 a credit hour.

And this is true of all 50 states. I know Ohio has the same program. Their program starts at age 60 and the tuition costs are higher, but it's basically the same. Kansas is another state with a similar program. I only know about these because friends have asked and I researched it in their states. However, you can look up the entire list at AARP: https://www.aarp.org/work/careers/free-college-classes/

Keep in mind that these are not part of the OLLI (Osher Lifelong Learning Institute) classes that many colleges offer. Those classes are designed specifically for senior citizens. Classes through the program I'm referring to are actual university classes and you will find yourself in a room with students in their late teen and early 20's. I love spending time learning and meeting all those people. Every professor I've had has enjoyed the experience as well (or seemed to); probably because they enjoy having students in their class who are there for the sheer joy of gaining knowledge. :-)

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@ Mardee....Thanks for the detailed information, certainly a place to receive more language learning and history as well. Fantastic.

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For people who don't live close to a university or who are introverts (like me), there are also many MOOCs available that are actual university courses, too. They're usually free, unless one needs them for credit. I've taken a few courses this way, through the University of Toronto, UBC, the University of Edinburgh, and Yale. One platform for these is coursera.org