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Itinerary in Central Europe

Hello,
I am starting to plan our trip for next fall. We will be departing from Washington, DC and I am still undecided of what country/city will be the best to arrive to but I am thinking Munich. Our dates are flexible in October and we will be in Europe 18 +2 days of air travel from and to Washington, DC.
Our list includes: Munich (just because it seems to be the easiest city to fly in and out of DC), Prague, Krakow, Vienna, Budapest, Český Krumlov, Hallstatt, Salsburg. In your opinion, how many days should we stay in each place? Will we have enough time to see them all in 18 days? If not, which city should we leave for a future trip?
I was hoping to spend at least three days in each city with the exception of Český Krumlov and Hallstatt but I know is not happening is we visit them all.

Thank you for your advice!

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Following because I am looking into this exact same itinerary.

I will say, based off my preliminary research, that this seems like a lot of places for 18 days, not counting air travel. You might find the trip more enjoyable if you drop a destination or two.

My guess is Krakow would be the odd one out, considering it's relatively isolated from the others. You could fly into Munich and out of Budapest.

But let's see what the experts here have to say :)

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First of all, you say *18 days plus 2 days for flights" - but I like to think of it as nights (where I sleep), not days. And you lose one night for the overnight flight. So if you leave Friday and come back Wednesday, that's 19 nights (18 nights on land, one in the air).

When I plan trips like this, the first thing I do is put my cities in a list and show the number of nights in each city...then estimate the travel mode and time between each. Something like this:

Munich (2 nights)
Salzburg (2 nights)
Hallstatt (1 night)
Prague (3 nights)
Cesky Krumlov (1 night)
Vienna (3 nights)
Budapest (3 nights)
Krakow (3 nights)

That's 18 nights.

The order of cities was a quick guess - but is the optimal way to connect them? I might also put all on a Google map and see where they are - I guessed above, but maybe its better to move a few cities around.

My first guess is that you should skip Munich and add the two nights from there to somewhere else - but if it makes a good arrival airport for you, you can still fly in there and take the train to Salzburg from the Munich airport (or take the S-bahn commuter train into Munich and another train from there to Salzburg). I did stop for a few hours to wander around Munich on the way over.

And, you probably won't want to fly out of the same city home - that's going to take extra time. Try to fly home out of the last city instead (maybe Krakow as I've got it, maybe another city if you find a more optimal order).

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You could scratch the surface of many of your destinations by spending 3 full days/ 4 nights in each location. I had 6 nights in Budapest recently and didn’t run out of things to see.

You are going to lose at least half a day every time you switch destinations. Four destinations would be optimum for me in your timeframe.

I would recommend that you fly open jaw to save a day back tracking.

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6788 posts

Cut to the chase: just Do The Math. Your plan won't work.

You have, at a minimum, 8, maybe 9 locations on your list (8 if you fly open jaws into one and fly out of another; if you need to circle back to another location to fly out of there, then it's 9 locations).

You say you have 18 days. 9 places in 18 days is two days per place.

You have too many places for the time you have available, unless you just want a "drive by" experience. With 18 days, I'd limit the itinerary to no more than 5 or 6 locations. If, as you say, you want to spend "at least 3 days in each place" then you need to limit yourself to 6 places (18 divided by 3 equals 6) but this fails to account for a basic truth:

Every time you pick up and move, you consume most of a day, so for each location, you actually have one less day.

To account for the time (most of a day) consumed when you pick up and move, if you want 3 full days in each location, then you need to allocate 4 days for that location. And 18 divided by 4 equals 4.5...meaning, if you really want 3 days to spend in each location, you have time for 4-5 places maximum.

I'd also fly open jaws, in to your first city, and out of your last one.

If you don't want to spend time in Munich, then why fly there? Fly to someplace you actually want to go to - you don't have enough time to throw away an extra day by flying in/out of a place you're not interested in. Even smaller cities have air service. And many/most of the cities on your list have flights.

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To enjoy each location and account for transportation time between towns, here’s my thoughts:

Fly into Munich (2 nights). We enjoyed the city Mike’s Bike Tour our second time to Munich for a fun activity to both learn the history and have a fun tour. It stops at the Beer Garden for lunch.
Salzburg (4 nights) Purchase the Salzburg Card. If you like outdoors, I added 1-2 days to go see Berchtesgaden or surrounding area. St. Wolfgang is lovely and has the cogwheel train. (We spent two nights at St. W and didn’t want to leave.)
Hallstatt (1 night)
Vienna (3 nights)
Budapest (3 nights)
Take a cheap flight to either Krakow or Prague
City of choice (4 nights)
Fly home

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7283 posts

If you decide to pare back the amount of countries you’re visiting, we stayed overnight at Mittenwald between our nights in Munich and Salzburg during our last trip to that area. Then we ended in Vienna and flew home from there.

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That's too many places unless you primarily want to wander around and soak in the architecture and atmosphere (nothing at all wrong with doing that, but most travelers want to go inside things). Only you know why you chose those particular stops (well, I guess we know CK and Hallstatt are for their physical beauty). You need to consider what specific things drew you to each place. That's the way to figure out how much time you'll want to spend in each city, and how many stops you can fit into the time you have available. I do not count my arrival day at all (too sleep-deprived and jetlagged to function), and I figure the day I move on to a new city is probably just going to offer a few hours to look around casually.

Also consider the physical size of the part of town of tourist interest. It takes a lot more time to move around Budapest than around Salzburg. And trips out of town (e.g., to Auschwitz) tend to chew up most of a full day.

I'm a big fan of sites related to WW II and the Cold War, so on my recent trip to central Europe I spent seven full days in Krakow, not counting the day-trips to Auschwitz and Tarnow. It's a lovely city and I would be happy to return, but I did a good job of covering the sights of interest to me, and I enjoyed some casual strolling-around time.

I also spent seven full days in Prague (I love Art Nouveau architecture and have a special interest in Czech glass). I did not have time to do all the wandering around I wanted to do, looking at building exteriors; I basically just went from one museum/historical sight to the next. That's OK, because the country has a lot of lovely small towns I wanted to visit but didn't have enough time for. I'll have an opportunity to revisit Prague.

I spent seven full days in Budapest as well, plus a few extra hours, again not counting a day-trip (to Szentendre). A number of really important museums in Budapest were closed during my visit, so I did some (not all) of the just-walking-around I wanted to do. I also skipped some of the more minor museums I was interested in, because I knew I'd want to return when the key museums opened; I opted for some outdoor time rather than yet more museums.

It was a coincidence that I ended up spending roughly the same amount of time in Krakow, Prague and Budapest. Most tourists would need less time in Krakow. I didn't have time for Vienna at all and haven't researched it, but I'd guess that for me (lover of architecture and art museums) it would require at least seven days.

I always have a lot more on my plate than I can fit into my time allowance. My cuts are made primarily on logistical and weather grounds, but I do try to find out about special events that might interest me or--if they do not--drive up local hotel prices.

From the logistical standpoint I'd consider cutting Krakow in this case because it's just one of many, many interesting destinations in Poland. On the other hand, it is very touristy already and probably will become even more so in the next few years (I doubt that Prague is going to get much worse). Perhaps you'd like to see it before it is as bad as Prague?

Most of October will definitely be autumn in that part of Europe. Do some weather research on your proposed destinations to be sure you're OK with the likely temperatures and precipitation levels. You'll generally find a weather-summary chart in each city's Wikipedia entry; that's good for high-level comparisons. I've started using timeanddate.com to review actual day-by-day historical weather stats before making a final decision.

From Washington DC Munich is often the cheapest flight destination in central Europe, but I agree that you should fly into a place you actually want to visit. Krakow is a bit awkward to get to, so I'd try to fly in or out of that city.

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Did roughly the same itinerary in about the same time frame last Spring. Amazing trip, but if I had it to do over, using your parameters

Fly into Prague - 5 nights
Salzburg - day trip to Berchtesgaden - 3 nights
Hallstatt - 1 night
Vienna - 5 nights
Budapest - 4 nights
Fly home from Vienna

Cesky Krumlov was nice, but knowing what I know now, I could easily take a pass on it.

Passed up Budapest and regret it.

Loved Prague and Salzburg. Especially loved Vienna. Plenty to do and see in these places along with day trips into surrounding areas. Could even spend an extra day, or more, in the Salzkammergut area.

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I did a similar itinerary a few years ago as part of a longer trip that started in Brussels. For this portion of the trip I started in Munich (3) - Salzburg - Cesky Krumlov (1)- Prague (3) - Krakow (3) - Vienna (4) - Budapest (6) for a total of 20 nights. I didn't spend a night in Salzburg because I had been there before so I just spent 1/2 day there between Munich and CK - early train from Munich and late afternoon shuttle to CK. Since you only have 18 days (nights) I would say Munich (2), Salzburg (2), CK (1), Prague (3), Krakow (3), Vienna (3), and Budapest (4).

As suggested, open-jaw flights into Munich and out of Budapest makes the most sense. If I had to cut out something I would probably choose to go to either Salzburg OR Hallstatt and drop the other one - they are both beautiful but based on your itinerary and travel times I don't think both are necessary. But that of course is up to you and what you really want to see. You don't have enough total time to do everything on your list in one trip.

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I would suggest dropping Hallstatt and CK. You have to drop at least 2 places for this time span.

Posted by
597 posts

A possible itinerary might be:

Fly to Munich and go directly to Salzburg that same day
Salzburg (4 nights with a day trip to Munich and or Hallstatt)
Use the shuttle to get to Cesky Krumlov (2 nights)
Use the shuttle to get to Vienna (4 nights with a day trip to Bratislava)
Budapest (4 nights)
Fly to Prague (4 nights)
Fly home from Prague

This gives you most of what you wanted with only 4 travel days.
Every travel day is at least 1/2 day lost.

Have fun!

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Flight Arrival night, (no matter where you arrive), 1 night
Prague, not less than 3 nights
Krakow, not less than 3 nights (2 nights if you skip the camp)
Vienna, not less than 3 nights
Budapest, not less than 4 nights
Český Krumlov, 1 night is sufficient
Hallstatt, Salsburg. ?? Never been there

Then extend the stay by one night for any location that requires much more than 4 hours to reach from the previous location.

There are direct, fairly cheap flights between Budapest and Krakow which means that starting in Krakow then moving on to Budapest, Vienna, Hallstatt, Cesky Krumlov, Prague might be efficient, ... or the reverse.

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Hello lourdestudela. I suggest -
Munich : 3 nights
Salzburg : 2 nights
Halstatt : 1 night
Vienna : 4 nights
Prague : 4 nights
Cesky Krumlov : 2 nights
Munich : 2 nights
You said you want to fly from Washington D.C. to Munich, and from Munich to Washington D.C. I think that is a good travel plan for you. I suggest : plan to go to Krakow and Budapest in an other trip, in an other year. I suggest being at Munich for 2 nights before your flight to the United States of America, for you to have one whole day for relaxing and preparing for your trip to your home. In that extra day at Munich, I would swim in the big Olympic pool at Munich (in the Summer Olympics Park).

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Thank you so much for all your replies, I will read each of them carefully!
Lourdes