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Itinerary help christmas time

Hello
My family and I are planning a white Christmas in 2019 so we have a good 18 mths to sort an itinerary out!
We have 22 nights and have got the places we would like to go sorted out, though need advice on whether our itinerary is too ambitious or not. We do not want to be rushed however we also want to see the below if it makes sense and we will also have time to enjoy the trip. ( have not travelled Europe outside Italy so not sure if we may need to drop an area or not ).

Sorry for long winded story here!

Fly from Australia to Zurich
Fly out Munich

Places we want to see -
3 nights colmar/strausbourg and europa park
Europa park for kids on one day and the Christmas markets and cathedral at strausbourg otherwise just leisurely day until night for Christmas markets.

Lucern and interlaken - 8 nights for this possibly 4 and 4? Lucern general sight seeing a ferry ride and a mountain Top. Interlaken hiking possibly jungfraujoch weather depending and snow activities only if snow otherwise happy with scenery ferry rides hiking ( is this a good area for hiking mid-december? ) interlaken may stay in wengen rather than in town.

Munich - 6 nights - sight seeing Christmas markets and Christmas here a day trip to a castle and possibly one more day trip otherwise sight seeing Munich and markets etc.

Innsbruck/seefeld area 6 nights also. This will be 27th December to around the 2nd January. So hoping we may have snow at this time for the white Christmas part of our trip even if it means travelling to other mountains if no snow at seefeld. Does anyone know if late December start of January the average snow situation? Obviously can't be guaranteed but is there good odds? Or other mountains we could get to?
In this area a day trip to mittenwald a day trip or two to innsbruck and rest staying at seefeld for snow hiking tobaggon seeing town and a day trip etc and any sights.

Fly home again.

So any help would be appreciated if this is doable and enjoyable itinerary or whether this is too rushed ambitious for the areas and getting to and from.

I was thinking we would start fly into Zurich head straight to colmar 3 nights then from there to lucern or interlaken area then Munich then innsbruck and back to Munich to fly home.

Any suggestions or feedback from the experts would be greatly appreciated thank you!

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Yes, all in all, doable. How big is the family and what are the ages?
Snow should be in the Alps from mid-December on. Last winter was huge amounts of snow, other years dryer. who knows? But definitely plan on it.
From Colmar/Strasbourg/Europa Park, it would be more efficient to go to Berner Oberland, (I would pick Muerren) then to Luzern then to Munich, but I am a bit torn, as when it comes to snow, later is always better. Luzern to Munich will take up a whole day traveling, and it is longer from Muerren.
As far as Seefeld, it will be the height of the winter holiday time, all kids out of school, so I would secure lodging there with a firm commitment. Go Saturday (Dec 28) to Friday (Jan 3). I think that is the priority now, at least start working on it.

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Hello thank you for reply.
Family is my husband and I mid 30s and our son who is 11 and then my parents in 60s. So a broad range of interests to cover! 5 of us. We want Christmas atmosphere and snow at some point even just a couple days to do snow activities in seefeld at the end is fine. As long as we get all the Christmas type things along the way and scenery and sightseeing etc.

Yes I thought the later the better would be the case for snow. I am a bit unsure too as I know snow more likely the later we leave it for the OB as well. Though then we would be driving from wengen to Munich which would be a day of travelling. Though I guess it's either one or the other. Do you feel the length of days in each spot is suitable not too rushed?

I agree first part is to book seefeld which will hopefully have the snow if we don't see it anywhere else in our trip. That was what I was hoping. I don't know too much about seefeld - aside from what I have read. Though it mentioned if a bad snow year a shuttle can take you up higher so I was hopeful my son could still tobaggon or such in worst case.

Thank you for your help!

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Sorry also do you think it would be adviseable to cut one of these areas out? Or its fine as it is though we would just have to have a day for travel. Overall is it too much travelling. I looked at distances though no idea if there are on and off trains and connections and if this will be unmanageable. I was thinking driving and trains if it helps cut down on time. Would that be a good idea for the first part of trip and drop car at Munich before heading to Austria?

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kambarbakis16,
Colmar and Strasbourg have Christmas markets, as does Basel. Strasbourg (note spelling) is one of the largest and best ones. Website: https://noel.strasbourg.eu/en/accueil
Note many Christmas markets end on 23rd or 24th December, Strasbourg is an exception.

I was going to advise not to stay i Interlaken, then I noticed in your second post you say Wengen, which is better. Wengen will have snow. Many of the mountains overlooking Wengen have permanent snow caps, even in summer.
All mountain areas (Wengen, Seefeld, . . .) have cable cars and trains that go up to the top of the mountains

You don't give exact dates or say where you plan to be on Christmas day, beware some restauarnts may be closed on that day.

Transport: You don't say how you are getting around in your first post, then you say in your second "we would be driving from wengen to Munich".
You can't drive to Wengen, the road ends at Lauterbrunnen, in the bottom of the valley. There is paid parking there.
Renting a car in one country (Switzerland) and returning it in another (Germany) is very expensive, Driving in a different country than you hired it in, and returning it back to the original country is no problem.

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Sorry the itinerary if it's suitable would be
11th december colmar 3 nights visit strausburg and europa park
14th december-17th lucern ( or wengen depending which way we go or even grindewald )
18th- 21st - wengen or lucern
22-27th Munich ( Christmas here markets Xmas eve and not sure Xmas day? Try find something open hopefully )
29th - 3rd january seefeld

I was thinking pick up a car zurich drive to colmar so we have car to get to europa park on last day and drive from europa park back to lucern.

Then either drive to parking garage interlaken and get train to wengen. then pick car up interlaken drive to Munich. Leave car there. Trains Munich and Austria

Though I could be way off that was sort of my initial thoughts how to do it?

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Sorry just saw the car would be expensive to return. Maybe just the car for the first part to get to colmar europa park and back again in the first 3 nights and then drop at lucern.

Or the other way is colmar to wengen first then lucern which I guess it a better route on way to Munich. Would 4-5 days matter for snow?

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European ski resorts have spent a lot of money building snow making systems, so even if mother nature does not provide, snow guns are there to take up the slack. I would not worry about sledding or skiing at all.

I am a little concerned about driving, for a few of reasons.
1. You will be on airplanes for 24 hours from Australia to Zurich, so you will arrive extremely tired and then have to drive several hours to get to Colmar, on the opposite side of the road from what you are used to.
2. There will be a big foreign drop fee if you rent a car in Zurich and turn it in in Munich. A car with Swiss number plates cannot be rented in Germany and must then be transported back to Switzerland. You will pay a fee for the cost and then some.
3. Many places a car will be useless. Wengen or Muerren are car free, so the car will sit in a pay parking lot while you are in the mountains. Munich is a place where a car is an expensive boat anchor. Traffic is such that you will want to use public transport, meanwhile the car sits in an expensive garage.

My solution has been to rent a car when it is more convenient than using trains or buses. I think in Colmar and Europa Park, it would be good to have. If you were staying in Colmar, you might find it more convenient to take the train to Strasbourg, as that city is not very car friendly either. Every where you are going has excellent train service. Switzerland is the best in the world, but it is rather expensive. There are ways to mitigate that.

Anyway, time enough to think about those issues.

Edit - 5 locations in 3 weeks is perfect. If anything, I'd say 6 nights in Munich is a bit of overkill. Maybe add to Colmar area.

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Ok thank you so much that puts my mind at ease re:snow as we really don't care if it's man made at a ski resort somewhere just that our son can have a day in snow man made or not.

Ok so train everywhere seems best and colmar a car with train to strausbourg for the day when we go to see the markets and cathedral then drive out of europa park back to lucern.

We realise we will be tired will need to think about this. The only alternatives I can think is to train there instead. Or maybe start lucern and train there from the airport the first 4 nights ( giving us a rest when we get there ) and then rent car from lucern and go to colmar for the 3 nights and then after europa park drop it back to lucern and get on the train to interlaken to make way to Wengen. Or option 2 stay in Zurich for a night take that night from Munich so we have a night to sleep and we could just walk around the old town there get dinner and then leave for Colmar the next day.

Thank you for your help. I'm glad the 5 locations are ok for 5 weeks. It's hard to imagine in your head when you haven't been there the logistics of it all. Appreciate your help thank you.

Also not sure if you can help. Is there much difference between wengen and grindewald for things to do? Hiking or activities etc

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One last idea may be to stay in Basel on arrival for 4 nights stealing a night from Munich. From Basel train to strausburg for a day visit train to colmar for a day visit and train or bus shuttle to europa park. Day trips to all 3 without staying in colmar itself. Would this be a better option. Or would we be missing out by not staying in colmar itself for the 4 nights? We could possibly hire a car from Zurich airport on arrival drive to Basel and stay 4 nights doing a day trip each day we are there to colmar, strausbourg and europa park. Drop car back to Zurich then train to lucern.