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Itinerary Feedback/Help Wanted-- 5 Weeks Backpacking Western Europe

Hi All! My friend J and I are backpacking through Western Europe and would like itinerary help & suggestions. We're 23yo women on a student budget. We like history (especially Classical and medical), local culture, strolling & hiking, trying new foods, and getting out of our comfort zones to learn. We are not shopping and partying types.

We met on a mainland Greece trip led by our Ancient Greek professor and have both traveled within & beyond Europe. J's at Oxford for her Master's, so we're in her apartment for the first week. We're traveling on a 10 day/2 month Eurail pass and will spend ~1 week walking into Rome as Via Francigena pilgrims. Our motto for this trip is "Anything for an Experience!"


Our Current Itinerary (Nothing Booked Yet):

Sept 2: I arrive in Oxford.

Sept 3-8: Based in Oxford. 2 day trips to Bath (train) and a day trip to London (bus). In Bath, we're thinking the Baths, Jane Austen museum (J is a huge fan), walking tour, and try scrumpy. In London, the British museum, Imperial War museum, Shakespeare show as Groundlings, & Hunterian museum (over both days).

Sept 9: Early train to London, day in London (2 London days total), late train to Canterbury. Sleep Canterbury.

Sept 10: Pick up Via Francigena passports from priest and tour cathedral. Sleep Canterbury.

Sept 11: Journey to Paris via trains + ferry. Eiffel tower picnic. Sleep Paris (Montmartre).

Sept 12-14: Days + nights in Paris. We're thinking Louvre, Musee d'Orsay, Sainte-Chapelle, Notre Dame, Musee Curie, & History of medicine museum. We're considering the museum pass so we can pop into other sights.

Where things get shaky:

Sept 15: Travel to Gimmelwald, Switzerland.

Sept 16-17: Days + nights Gimmelwald. Hiking, considering Via Ferrata.

Sept 18-19: Travel to + stay in Salzburg. See Fall folk festival, classical music.

Sept 20-22: Sleep Munich. 1 day Dachau, 1 day Neuschwanstein (maybe), 1 day Oktoberfest. Night train to Venice on 22nd.

Sept 23: Day in Venice, sleep Venice.

Sept 24: Day split between Venice & Padua. Sleep Padua.

Sept 25: See anatomical theatre & maybe Cini castle nearby. Sleep Padua.

Sept 26-27: Travel to + sleep Florence. See Accademia & Uffizi. Maybe Duomo, Galileo museum, & Bargello.

Sept 28: Travel to Viterbo. Enjoy hot springs, maybe stop at Orvieto wine filling station.

Sept 29-Oct 3: Walk to Rome.

Oct 4: Arrive Rome, complete Pilgrimage at St. Peters. See Holy door, Scala Sancta.

Oct 5: See Pompeii + Ostia Antica + Pantheon on free Sunday.

Oct 6-7: Rome. See Vatican museums (if haven't already), Forum, Borghese, Caracalla baths, Capuchin crypt.

Oct 8: Morning flight home.


Additional Notes:

  • J has been to London, Paris, & Rome, otherwise all locations are new for us
  • J has mild Autism, so struggles with continual crowds and sensory overload. Any strategies to avoid crowds or take breaks from Rome/Florence/Oktoberfest chaos are appreciated (she is looking forward to these places and has special earbuds to help, so we don't want to avoid them altogether)
  • Yes, we want to take the ferry and night train. We're also choosing to go by train instead of short flights within Europe. We want the experience and adventure of older/less convenient travel
  • We'd like to experience the Chästeilet/cow festival near Interlaken on Sept 19, but is going to Salzburg and backtracking a good idea?
  • We want to do an alpine luge/summerrodelbahn, but we're not sure where a good spot is. We also want to see castle(s) at some point.

Congrats on making it through a gargantuan post, and thank you for all your help!!

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October 5. Are you really planning on seeing Pompeii and Ostia Antica on the same day? Maybe you mean Pompeii OR Ostia followed by the Pantheon? Pompeii is a full day trip from Rome. Ostia could be a pleasant half day giving you more time in Rome. Be aware that tickets for Borghese sell out very quickly and are for timed entry. Lovely museum to visit as number of visitors are restricted and you are not fighting hundreds of others to look at the exhibits. You mention your friend has issues with crowds - the Vatican Museum is notoriously crowded most of the time. Museums are my happy places and the Vatican is the only one I couldn’t wait to get out of. There are some tours offered early morning and later in the day, I seem to recall hearing about a tour offering breakfast, and one called Pristine Sistine but don’t know anything about them. I really enjoyed the National Museum of Rome near Termini Station - as an alternative if your friend is feeling a bit overwhelmed.

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On September 11 have you worked out the train and ferry times?

Given that only 4 ferries a day take foot passengers, and the inefficiency of the operation it will be late in the day for your picnic.

Also there is part of the Camino you can walk from London to Ramsgate, a separate Pilgrims passport.
At Canterbury you can 'glamp' (champ as it is called) in Fordwich Church.
Not sure if it's on the Via Francigena, but it's on my version of the Camino, and is also served by Sturry station.

The bus is cheaper (£3 each) from Canterbury to Dover- #15 every 20 minutes.

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Sounds like a lovely trip. A few thoughts from me:
-That is very cool you are doing the Via Francigena! In fact I was just there this past weekend, walking the part that overlaps with the North Downs Way between Canterbury and Dover. If you have time in Canterbury I also recommend St Augustine's Abbey.
-For getting from Canterbury to Paris, you might be better off going back into London and getting the Eurostar (unless that is not covered by your pass?). I think that will still be faster than getting down to Folkestone and taking the ferry, then another train from Calais. However if you're wanting to take the ferry as part of the experience that is definitely doable.
-If you have the opportunity in Salzburg, I really enjoyed attending a classical concert in the fortress- great atmosphere.
-Do you already have accommodation in Munich? Oktoberfest accommodation books up months in advance so you may need to think about staying out of town.
-I would also look at tickets for Accademia and Uffizi as those book up in advance, too.
-As stated above, I don't think it's possible to see Pompeii and Ostia Antica from Rome in the same day. I would just visit Ostia Antica personally, you will spend less time in transit. For the Pantheon, you used to be able to just walk in but I think now you need tickets.
-Vatican museums and Borghese Gallery also book up in advance.
-Regarding crowds- at Oktoberfest, there are definitely some areas you can get away from crowds outside the tents. I would spend some time walking around the outdoor festival areas if you need a break.