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Italy/France and Spain - 27 nights.

Hiya,

Am an Aussie living in South Africa planning our first trip to Europe so am completely clueless. We are looking at flying over to Rome then flying out of Madrid. We have 3 children (11, 9, and 7 years) and would ideally like to spend more time in Spain out of the 3 countries. I'm looking for advice on where to visit without doing too much (so it doesn't feel like a holiday) I guess the main spots to visit, how to get there and what order and also a recommendation on how long to spend in spain for madrid, barcelona and a beach spot? I'm also not sure if AIRBNB is a popular way to book accommodation, or hotels? any other options I should look at for accommodation? Also do we need to look at any flights or can we get away with high speed train and car to make our way from rome to the final destination (Madrid). Thanks in advance. Cheers!

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Hi jutiner,

You don't say when you are traveling. There is so much to consider in making the various decisions. First, budget: trains and flights have different prices. Same with Airbnb vs. hotels. Then, time. I am also traveling with three kids to three countries for 34 nights and here's how I thought about it:

We are flying in and out of Paris because it was the cheapest of all the flights I could find (and for 5 people, budget is very important). We rented a car for our time in France (after Paris) because trains were more expensive for 5 people than a rental car, AND, our destinations were not as easily accessible by train - so we would be spending a lot of time on travel, rather than being there. We leave the car in Nice, and take trains into Italy for our next part of the trip. In Italy we have 3 locations: Cinque Terra, Florence, and Rome, and we train the whole time (because each destination is well served by trains, and Italian trains have something called Bimbi gratis which means our kids ride free ... and we prefer trains anyway). We fly from Rome to Amsterdam, which cost WAY less than a train and takes WAY less time. And then we train from Amsterdam back to Paris at the end, although in this case, I did find flights for the same price, but again, we prefer trains.

We are staying primarily in airbnb's (which I studied assiduously: read all reviews, verified hosts, etc) throughout our trip, except for a few b&b's, again, because for 5, airbnb is cheaper. The upside to airbnb's can be price - depends on what you select for a place - and access to a kitchen (again, you have to study each listing for amenities, and look at the pictures to see what they look like - hot plate or stove top, etc) so you can stay in some nights and cook if you want, and eat breakfasts in. Saves a lot on food, and eating out very soon starts to be work. The downside is that they are less vacation-y, as in, I am looking forward to the b& b's where I wake up and there is a spread of breakfast, and everything is taken care of. We are doing both and I have done both before, and enjoyed both options for different reasons.

So, you would have to check if high speed trains follow all the routes you want to travel, look at how much time/money you will spend compared to rental car compared to flight. I would make a list of the specific places you want to visit, put them in an order that makes sense, and start looking at transportation options/costs/time. Then I would look at places to stay and compare what you get. Finding one hotel room for 5 can be a challenge, and expensive - depends where you are going. After all that, you start fine tuning your visit to each place by looking at sites - open/closing times/days, prices, how to buy tickets. The you start buying tickets for those things you want. And so on.

It is a lot of work. There's not really a way to avoid it (although I find it SO fun - the planning) - unless you hired someone to do it all, but planning is half the fun.

Just think that the more work you do up front, the more amazing your trip will be, and for this much money, it should be pretty well planned, don't you think

cheers,
Jessica

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At a glance (because you don't really shine a light on preferred locations) I would say ...

Rome (4N)
Tuscany (4N)
Côte d'Azur (4N)
Provence (4N)
Costa Brava (4N)
Barcelona (4N)
Madrid (3N)

Were you thinking to include Paris?

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Hi we are also considering Paris - we are looking at leaving 2nd week of June for the 4 weeks. I think the key is not overdoing it by trying to see too much (for our sake and the kids ) and keeping a mix of kid friendly places/adult friendly :)

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There is a high speed train from Barcelona to Madrid. I would plan more than three nights in Madrid, so you can see Toledo and Segovia nearby. Three nights in Barcelona is enough.

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Of course Europe is all about history and culture, with museums, cathedrals, etc the main attractions. If your kids would prefer to be on a beach or at a theme park, then you are in a pickle. On top of that you have new food experiences for them.

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Arrive Rome (4N)
Train to Tuscany (5N)
Fly to Paris (5N)
Train to Provence (5N)
Train to Barcelona (4N)
Train to Madrid (4N)

Look at getting a farmhouse with pool in both Tuscany and Provence. You will need a car.