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Interesting car rental issue

So, I have waited to post this until our car rental period is over so we could enjoy our trip and not dwell on the problem. It happened in Portugal but it could just as easily happen elsewhere.

I typically rent cars thru AutoEurope and typically the vendor is Europcar. For a rental in Portugal I was having difficulty with a one way rental so I used Gemut. The car was to be picked up in Sintra with a prepaid voucher. I used my husband’s AMEX since he is the driver. When we went to pick up the car at Europcar, our AMEX was being “rejected”. In order for any insurance to apply to possible damages, all charges need to be made on the original AMEX. We also tried my AMEX and it didn’t work either. I called AMEX and they said they were showing no rejections or attempts on the card. In fact, the card reader at Europcar was saying “invalid merchant”. Except staff was saying they do take AMEX and showed their computer screen that said something like “denied”. I called Autoeurope and Europcar and both said AMEX is a acceptable form of payment and they couldn’t help. I called GEMUT which I thought had 24 hour service. I waited an hour for them to return the call but finally after pressure from Europcar, I used a different card. They said it would not affect the insurance (they are wrong) An hour or so later, GEMUT called and said, all charges needed to go on the same card, the one with the insurance. At that point , we were 2 hours from Sintra on a Friday. Gemut, said we need to go to a Europcar and resolve. There were no Europcars in that part of Portugal and it was now a weekend. Sunday night, we were told to go to Coimbra Monday morning to apply the charge to the correct card. They provided the address, which ended up wrong as Coimbra Europcar had moved. Hence we walked a mile after parking the car to the new location where we were told Europcar and Autoeurope called and they could absolutely not change the card. So nothing could be done. They did say our liability for any issues would be no more than $1000. So, that was good, I guess?. We only had a short time in Coimbra to begin with and the extra 2 miles in a hilly town did not improve the status of my bum knees. So we were a bit cranky in Coimbra (as was the ticket guy at the university library when we arrived 7 minutes late)

We drove the car (extra carefully and with a bit of anxiety until we arrived to return the car in Braga at the end of the rental period. (Which BTW, THE nicest rental car folks,ever)

So, here’s the question, we had a prepaid voucher. That was fixed and couldn’t be changed. AMEX said the problem wasn’t on their end, nothing was coming thru. Europcar in Sintra, was saying it was AMEX, which, BTW, I have a separate AMEX account and neither cards would go thru in Europecar’s system. Somehow per GEMUT and AutoEurope the problem was ours to solve. Their resolutions wouldn’t work because other locations wouldn’t process the card. To me, the easy solution would have been for Europcar to put out the $30 or so bucks per day for the full coverage insurance, but since I reserved thru GEMUT it was theirs to resolve per Europcar.

UGG, thank goodness nothing happened and we were mentally able to not stress much, the whole situation gives me pause. What to do for future? Not sure I want to do a prepaid voucher again. Also, when I get home, I will find out if this was an AMEX issue or Europcar(most likely). I will also get another card, perhaps Capitalone with car rental insurance.

Please, this is not a rant. We are having fun.(currently in Porto). Just wanting to post what I think is an perplexing issue that might help others.

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I've used GEMUT often and I recommend them to people, so I'm very disappointed to hear that they were so unhelpful 😢

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Patricia, in all fairness, I’m not sure how it could be fixed after the fact, but we did feel like nothing was our fault but we were the ones that had to fix it and the ones with the possible liability. We probably should have waited for a resolution prior to taking the car. But, I think we would have been sitting there a long time. Plus, we had an apartment rented 4 hours away with a deadline for checkin.

It was a highly unusual situation, I think and hope!

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with a prepaid voucher

I must be more caffeine deprived than I realized. If you had a 'prepaid voucher' ( as I understand with the AMEX card) why or what were they trying to process on it at the rental office?

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Glad you haven’t experienced anything that would require an insurance claim. I don’t quite understand the prepaid voucher situation, though. Was the car essentially paid for in advance, using your husband’s AMEX, and it was trr get e voucher that wasn’t being honored? Or was the voucher only for a portion of the rental cost, with the remainder to be charged at the time of pick-up?

It does sound like, through no fault of your own, everything that could’ve gone wrong, did go wrong - save the car not being there, or them refusing to accept your different credit card, or, again, having an accident. Glad you got a resolution to being able to drive off in the rental, even though it cost you time, money, and undoubtedly some frustration. Maybe you can get some further compensation at some point from one of the parties involved, if you choose to pursue that.

Having a second credit card that also provided insurance coverage would be nice in the future, assuming it was accepted by the Europcar (or whatever company) payment system. A credit card company’s insurance coverage assumes/requires that all the hardware and software are functioning when you pick up the car. But again, wasn’t your rental paid for with a voucher?

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Did any strikes affect your Sintra stay since they were a possibility? Nice beginning to a trip report. I can’t wait to read the rest. Hope the remainder of your trip is stress free and you have a good time.

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Yes. With autoEurope the car is paid in advance and the customer gets a voucher. A credit card is necessary for incidentals like the transponder, tolls and damage to the car.

@james, we love Portugal. Loved the parador you clued us into. So far we’ve been to Sintra, Obidos, Alcobaca, Batalha (day trips to San Martinho, Nazare, Tomar), Piodao, Casa Insua, ( day trip to Viseu) Coimbra, Douro Valley, and Braga (day trips to Lamego, Guimaraes, Viana do Castelo) Currently sans car in Porto. Also, James, info from you and Colin helped us with the parking and city driving, and made us more confident given the car rental issue. We found driving in Portugal pretty easy especially with my iPhone app navigation.

Our train Porto to Evora was canceled and we had to rebook to bus. It’s fine except the Sao Bento station was across the street from our BnB. Now we have to taxi to Campanha.

The train strikes have caused rental cars to be higher in demand. One reason that I didn’t want to outright refuse the car. Also, buses are busy as people are rebooking travel from trains to bus

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I don't know but I wonder if the rental desk didn't want your cards to work and somehow ensured that....???

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Good to hear that there were no problems with the vehicel. A couple of things.

From what I can tell Autoeurope does not rent cars from out of Sintra, unless that was changed after your initial booking?

"For a rental in Portugal I was having difficulty with a one way rental so I used Gemut" - How was Gemut able to provide you with an Autoeurope voucher if Autoeurope itself would not provide you with one?

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Autoeurope is a consolidator. They work with a bunch of companies. Gemut is similar, tho maybe more of a travel agent.

The car was provided by Europcar

When I contacted AutoEurope, they said they would research possibilities but were not confident they’d find a car. Gemut facilitated the rental. They don’t always use Autoeurope, but had I known it was going to be AutoEurope, I would have continued working with AutoEurope myself.

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Sometimes it's the company that processes the credit cards that refuses some types of credit cards. So even if they claim to accept your card, they don't.
For example, I can't buy anything on line with a US card at IKEA here in France, but I can in the store because they use two different card processing companies. It's the same trying to rent a car at Carrefour. Impossible with a US card, but I can shop all I want inside the store.

You might want to look at the Chase Visa that is made for travel and offers car insurance, too.

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I am using a rental car now from Sixt in Croatia. I am using my Costco Visa because it has primary coverage for a rental car. I had wanted to use my Amex, but Amex does not provide primary insurance for car rentals. At least overseas.
I have tried to use my Amex twice since start of this travel. No go. Merchants don’t accept them.
The takeaway is to not use your Amex.
My Visa has been accepted anywhere.

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My AMEX does have primary insurance and I get a letter stating such before each trip. Europcar head of Europe confirmed they take AMEX. We used to use our VISA for rental cars but they dropped the insurance. AMEX has been accepted many places in Portugal. We’ve had no problems with our REI capitalone mastercard. We’ve had lots of problems with VISA. It apparently doesn’t like gas and FLIX purchases which cause them to put a block in the card until I call them.

I’ve researched Chase and Capitalone. Chase does NOT work as well with Delta.

To think when we started to travel we only had one or two cards!

Edited to add: husband is saying that he doesn’t think Capitalone is widely accepted in Europe.

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Tom, I’m more or less agreeing with you. I have used AutoEurope and their vouchers for quite a few trips, now. They have always had the best prices, and when I’ve dealt with them directly they’ve always been quite helpful. But, when a situation arises, that’s when you find out how consumer oriented a company is. The bottom line is, there was an issue, and we didn’t feel supported. Not sure what I’ll do for the future, and we finally feel like driving in Europe no longer panics us. Also, credit cards, at least in Portugal, is kind of a crap shoot. We always have a card that works, but that varies by the day.

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I'm not sure I understand the issue with using Capital One in Europe that has been mentioned. I just returned from a month in Europe, 2 weeks in Spain and 2 weeks in Portugal. I used my Capital One everywhere and never once had a problem with it. A few years ago I used it to rent a car in England. My friend (who was added on as an additional driver on the rental agreement) smashed into a stone gate and did $3,000.00 worth of damage. Capital One reimbursed the entire amount. I wouldn't travel anywhere without that card.

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Lisa, that’s great to hear. My husband has been retired from the business for a couple years. Not sure he understood that it’s a Capitalone VISA card (not just a bank card) I deal with all the travel planning and the credit card points, etc.

Tom, I’m not sure I agree with the insurance comment included with travel credit cards. I’ve researched it quite a bit before renting and I’m comfortable that we are adequately insured abroad. Except for Hawaii which is a nightmare, we don’t rent cars domestically. I will give Costco a shot for the next rental situation abroad. I always get coupons from Avis, Dollar, Enterprise, etc. and they never pan out. Rental thru AutoEurope has had better pricing for me than working directly with each of the rental car companies.

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Interesting point, Tom. I’d love to know if anyone that has booked they Autoeurope or Gemut has had to submit a claim to credit card insurance and what there experience was.