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how would you spend a few days on the way from Venice to Paris?

Per the title, we (myself and wife, mid-40s, daughter, 13) are traveling in Europe for the first time this June. We are spending several days each in Florence, then Venice, with my parents. In both cities we are renting apartments because we love to cook and shop for groceries as a cultural experience, rather than eating out every meal. My parents then fly home.

Then, the rest of the trip is so far completely undetermined/unbooked other than a return flight from CDG about 6 days later. My assumption is that we would move quickly out of Italy having already experienced it for the lion's share of the trip. And then the reasonable choices would be Switzerland, Germany, and/or parts of France that would be roughly on the way to Paris. But please alert me if I am leaving out part of the map worth considering. Obviously we could go direct to Paris and spend 6 days there, but i would rather not, because:
a) we like trains and would wish to have a fun/interesting train adventure in between.
b) Florence/Venice/Paris are all big-city experiences (excepting possible day-trips to surrounds). Would like to do something more rural/outdoorsy, and/or small town.
c) Those destinations are probably mobbed in June & although I am sure you can get away from the crowds readily, I am also sure we will end up following the masses to see certain "can't miss" sights. I dislike standing in line and dealing with big crowds & am thinking maybe this in-between part of the trip could be a little more off the beaten path, if that's possible.

Having stated those opinions, I give you this (almost) wide-open question: what would you do with a few days as described? Including - how much time would you spend in Paris at the end, and how would you make the most of a relatively brief time there?

Thanks in advance!

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A train trip from Venice to Paris directly requires 11+ hours. It will take longer yet to reach some hamlet in Switzerland or Germany on the way. I suggest you fly from Venice to Frankfurt Hahn airport (very small) for a short visit to the Mosel River. The airport shuttle to the Mosel town of Bullay takes 45 minutes. LINK TO SHUTTLE Nearly no tourists there, very rural and wonderfully German sort of backwater place. But Bullay is also on a major train route. Take a local train to other nearby hamlets like Cochem or Traben-Trarbach. The train to Paris takes 4 hours from Bullay.

Bullay is surrounded by vineyards.
Scene near Bullay where the river almost doubles back on itself. You can hike up to that peak in the middle.
Biking near Bullay
Cochem is 8 minutes from Bullay by train. More tourists there - but a gorgeous town.

I've stayed in Bullay in a private B&B and also at the Hotel Mosella (nice place.)
Hotel Mosella website

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As another member of 'Team Kitchenette' I would say, six days is the perfect amount of time to be in Paris. First you have to find a butcher that will order you a foie gras. Then you have to find out which nearby Monoprix has the best wine buyer. There will be several choices of cherries and strawberries that will need tasting, not to mention the last of the local asparagus. Plus, a wheel of Chaorce or Epoisses won't get finished off in less than a few days.

But, if you wanted to do a bunch of one-nighters by train, the most likely route from Venice would be: Salzburg, Munich, Baden-Baden, Strasbourg, Reims. Paris

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Have you considered renting a car as you leave Venice, and traveling through Northern Italy. You could visit the incredibly beautiful Lake Gardo, or head up to the Dolomites that are maybe 90 minutes north of Venice. There are many other scenic places relatively close to Venice.

You could return the car to the Marco Polo Airport in Venice and take an EasyJet flight to either Paris de Gaulle Airport or Orly Airport.

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I would get to Paris and daytrip from there, many beautiful towns are less than 1.5 hours away.

If you really want the train ride, I would choose two stops on the way to Paris: one in Italy (perhaps Lake Como or a place in the Sestri Levante area, then either someplace near Nice or Nimes.

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Thanks all for your insights so far.
Russ- from your posts you seem like quite an expert on Germany. Thank you for this idea which I will look into more.
Zoe - maybe I should move this follow-up question over to the France forum . . . but can you say a little more about the places around Nice or Nimes that you have experienced and would recommend? My daughter's dance teacher recommended Montpellier as well . . . same neck of the woods on the map.

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I have looked into taking a train from Italy to France and Switzerland is the obvious route. The thought of seeing Switzerland from the train seems nice but it's a long trip and I'd want to spend more time in Switzerland. After looking into the expense and time required to get to the smaller villages I realize that it should be it's own trip.

I'm flying to Paris from Italy on my next trip and spending the last week in an apartment in the 7th. We'll day trip from Paris....maybe.

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Hello. I also enjoy train travel and am willing to spend some time on them. I have never taken one of the scenic train routes in Switzerland, but this map from the man in seat 61 gives you some ideas of route. Just leave off the London bits.

http://www.seat61.com/Italy.htm#.VOo74Sz7Mg9

I have taken the train from Venice to Innsbruck/Munich several times, and it seems that there are different ways to segue into Switzerland and further west. Try inputting different locations into Rome 2 Rio.

Myself, I would train to Bolzano or Innsbruck, both small cities, but easily accessible to countryside. Hall in Tirol is just outside Innsbruck and may be an option. You could continue north to GAP and on to Munich or go west from Innsbruck to Zurich and further west to say Colmar in the Alsace which is lovely and an easy trip to Paris.

Many of these places will attract tourists in June. Look at the map from seat 61 and do some google searches. You may be able to find a journey that gives you just the right amount of train and less touristed experiences.

I am not a big fan of Paris, so would not spend much time there - just my preference. You could even visit Reims and train to CDG.

Anyway, some alternatives to consider. It is all fun.

Debbie

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Stops around Arles, Nimes, or Montpellier, France require more travel time than do stops in Switzerland. Some of the fastest train connections from Venice to Nimes actually go through Switzerland (and take 12-13 hours).

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Followup on Switzerland
Thanks again to all who have commented on where to spend a few days between venice and paris.
I have looked at photos and read about Switzerland. While it is certainly a scenic country, for whatever reason the "feel" of the architecture and general description of the cultural environs just doesn't appeal to me as much as some. Same with Germany even though much of my family originates there.

Question: have any of you experienced Europe travelers shared this sentiment?

Don't jump on me, I am not condemning the Swiss people or culture, admittedly speaking to a very personal impression based only on ignorance, yes I recognize this as a tourist's snap judgment and that there are wonderful times to be had and people to be met everywhere. But some places will resonate with some people more than others, yes? . . . and given the limited budget and possibility of Europe travel in my lifetime, I do need to make some judgments in advance as to what will be "just not for me."

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I still stand by my previous posting that suggests renting a car and making a loop through Northern Italy into the Austrian Alps and back to Venice Marco Polo Airport to fly home. Although mountain roads are crooked, they're well paved and easily navigated. And the scenery is the most breathtaking we have ever experienced.

Our favorite excursion is going north of Venice on A23 past Udine turning left on SS52 and right at Tolmezzo on SS52bis. This road takes you into Austria changing names to B110, following it to the very end. Turn left on B100 and you'll go to the edge of Lienz, Austria--turning right on B107. It's just a short distance to Heiligenblut. There, you pickup the Grossglockner High Alpine Road which will take you over the second highest peak in Europe which ends at Zell-Am-See.

Northern Italy's Dolomites and Austria's Alps are relatively inexpensive to travel through in Summer, and they're more traveler friendly than Switzerland. You won't see mobs of people there either.

We have driven from Innsbruck to Paris non-stop, and would certainly not want to do that again. Budget air carriers are inexpensive and my family's preferred method of travel for longer distances.

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I just don't think you have long enough to travel through anywhere and get to Paris in time for your flight. If you fly out 6 days later then you have only 5 nights. Distances are far.

I LOVE Switzerland, but not for the architecture, for the amazing alps! But, I really don't think you have time. If it were me I would fly to Paris (pretty cheap) and then take a train to the Loire Valley, rent a car and explore the countryside, drop the car, and train back for a couple days in Paris (Paris is amazing!!)

If you prefer, you could do the same in Normandy, Burgundy or Provence. Each are just 1- 3 hours out of Paris and you would need to rent a car but driving is pretty easy. It would be a nice contrast to Italy.

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I agree with the post above. Luzern had pretty painted buildings, but you don't visit Switzerland for the buildings; you visit for the Alps, and the lakes, and the way the clouds are constantly changing over the mountains and lakes. Because the appeal of Switzerland is the dynamic interplay between water, mountains, and sky, it's hard to capture in a photograph (or even in a movie). So, don't count it out based on pictures or videos alone - more than most other places, they really don't tell the story.

That said, I am always a champion of going where you want to, when you want to. No one should ever feel "obliged" to visit a place - that's a recipe for trouble.