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How did English become the international language

  1. The Internet - Most sites are in english and online gaming chats are mostly english (mostly for the younger generation...ish)

  2. Music - Again there is a lot of pop music played in English ( even though I hear a lot of K-pop these days in the US)

  3. TV and Movies - I guess this really depends on the country and whether they use overdub or subtitles

  4. Business - How does the engineer from Germany talk to the architect from Italy and a graphic designer from the US ( with that having the US and EU having the two largest economies in the world)

Just wondering...but still practice your Italian or French or German:)

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Actually I think it was colonization by the British that started the ball rollong. Business (trade) pushed it along. Then tourism took over. It was already being seen as a universal language before music and TV and long before the internet.

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100 years ago French was the international language, international English is a fairly recent development.

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A friend in Italy told me his son started learning English in school at 3yrs old...that really surprised me

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In 1963 my next door neighbor brought her niece over from Germany to spend a year in the US. At that time Inge told me that English was a required language in her high school and that most of the kids her age (18 at that time) had started learning it much earlier. Now, that's just Germany and I think they were probably one of the first European countries, along with Netherlands, to push English as a second or third language. So, it's been encouraged in European schools since at least the early '60's.

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That makes a lot of sense...english is a germanic language after all...holland and the scandinavian countries seems to be ahead of the curve

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It has a lot of due with WWII and the dominance of the US in world affairs after that. At the same time air traffic control was all in English and as the systems expanded English went with it. A young french dentist in a bar one night explained to me why the French has the reputation of being rude. Prior to WWII French was the dominate language world wide and, therefore, just like Americans they had no need to learn another language. But after the war the world language shifted to the victors and many of the older French felt left out, behind and will was some old pride and resentment it was easy to turn up their noses at the new English speakers. He believe that the younger French (under 30 or so, maybe 40) wasn't as concerned as the older generation. From our experiences and observations, I thought there was a lot of truth in what he presented.

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100 years ago French was the international language, international
English is a fairly recent development.

French, until the last century, was the international language of Diplomacy.

However English was pretty much recognized as the international language of trade from the time the British began the expansion of its Empire. It's use has only grown from there. Which, yes, predates just about everything the OP mentioned ( and I would argue that #2 and 3 are inaccurate- while English language songs, movies and TV are seen and heard in countries whose primary language is not English, these countries usually produce their own in their own language).

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French, until the last century, was the international language of Diplomacy.

It was also the language of science, art, literature, sports etc.

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British Empire planted English speakers and English speaking countries on every continent, and in important areas (India, China, North America) as opposed to West Africa or South America (French, Spanish)
PLUS
American 20th century influence

Contributing factors:

-Comparatively easy language to learn, very simple grammar

-Roman alphabet familiar to most Europeans

100 years ago French was the international language

This was really in diplomatic circles only. English has been the primary international language for at least 120 years. French retains certain diplomatic and traditional status in things like being the main language at the Olympics, but these are 19th century relics.

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I think that Carlos has it right...French was the international language...but English has blown up in the past 20 years or so. It does seem strange since there are not that many native english speakers in the world.

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It was also the language of science, art, literature, sports etc.

I always understood that German was the language of science. I agree about French for art and literature. Don't know about sports.

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almost all of scientific papers are in english now...but not sure if that contributes.

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For French in sports, I think the revival of the Olympics, the première world sporting event, would be the most obvious example. If the Olympics were revived today instead of the 19th century, its governing language would most certainly be in English instead of French.

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but English has blown up in the past 20 years or so.

As someone who is old enough to know, English “blew up” a lot longer ago than 20 years!

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English has blown up in the past 20 years or so.

OP, I have to ask... how old are you? That statement seems very uninformed.

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As someone who is old enough to know, English “blew up” a lot longer ago than 20 years!

Though the rise of the internet and digitisation of media, around 20 years ago, had a significant impact on the spread of English beyond the old British Dominions. I would say that English is definitely the language of Globalisation 3.0, as described by Thomas Friedman, who knows maybe Mandarin will be the language of Globalisation 4.0.

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This is something that I continue to be thankful for when traveling internationally - we quite lucked out in that most of us, I assume, are English-as-a-first language speakers. As we travel through Europe and a great many other places, we're able to enjoy the fact that there's a reasonably good chance we'll find local English speaking guides, hotel staff, random people on the street; we'll see English signage, literature, and more. Many others have instead tried to navigate their travels with a learned second language, or without the ability to read and understand the languages they encounter at all.

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Though the rise of the internet and digitisation of media, around 20 years ago, had a significant impact on the spread of English beyond the old British Dominions.

The international language of tourism and business was English well outside “old British Dominions” 50 years ago (and surely much longer ago than that).

Also Chinese will not replace English, it’s too hard (tones, characters) and Chinese culture isn’t open enough to be truly international and sponsor an international language.

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It's interesting to think of what might be the most widespread global language of commerce and culture many, many decades from now. It would likely still be English, but possibly - as more people are both formally and informally exposed to English and other languages through technology - be a sort of English-based creole meld. Languages themselves change quite a bit, so a globally popular English a couple generations from now could involve many words and phrases familiar to native Chinese speakers.

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Carlos has it right totally. English comes into prominence or dominance, if you prefer, after WW2 because of the preeminence enjoyed by the US. Prior to that in Europe anyone who was anybody had to speak French if only to show you were educated.

French was the language of the aristocracy and had replaced Latin as the language of diplomacy. Since the aristocracy dominated the military, French was the language.

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The Industrial Revolution is the original reason. By the end of the 18th century, Britain was the leading commercial nation and English was to become the language of international trade, finance, engineering and technology. English also became the main language in various "niche" activities in ways that also continue today, such as maritime law, insurance, education qualifications/standards, etc.

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Fred writes: Prior to that in Europe anyone who was anybody . . .

That's a very Eurocentric view. AFAIK, much of the rest of the world was already using English, including all the pidjin varieties long before WWII. Latin America was using English more than French, I suspect. The Middle East was perhaps about 50-50 (see Sykes-Picot). Africa? India?

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Exactly, I was referring only to societies in Europe with anyone who was anybody and the speaking of French. Look at a reference work on treaties prior to WW1, commercial treaties, political treaties, etc, say an agreement between Norway and Spain in the 19th century. What language was used in writing up that agreement? Or, between Kingdom of Italy and Holland?

Treaties, agreements, conventions, alliances between these countries were written in French.

What language was used in the Sykes-Picot Agreement?

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They speak French at the Olympics as the founder of the IOC was a Frenchman.

The English language spread due to the British Empire covering much of the globe. Centuries before, in England, French was spoken by the upper classes (following William the Conquerer) and Latin was used in the judicial system. At least we aren’t speaking Latin - not a language I enjoyed learning at school.

I think English is used for gaming as people are used to most films being made in America and therefore in English. I had to google K-pop. Korean music? Not big in the UK.

English is the common business language in Europe as it’s most people’s second language.

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You have forgotten one....the BBC World Service. Back before the internet and satellite TV and radio, there was shortwave radio. The BBC would broadcast in many languages and also offer programs teaching English.

It's only the creation and growth of the internet that has made shortwave obsolete.

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French is still a popular diplomatic language, and least in theory if less in practice.

When the UN was established it was one of two working languages (the other being English; several more have been added since). The ICC’s two working languages are English and French, and NATO’s two working languages are English and French. While some of this just comes from a legacy of French being more popular and prominent in the past, it’s still worth keeping in mind that English and French are still quite widespread - you’ll find native English and French speakers in Europe, North and South America, Asia, and Africa. So French can’t quite be dismissed, but certainly post-colonial and post WW2 history, including the more modern spread of technology, business, and culture, has put momentum firmly behind English.

I’d be wary of the suggestion English is so popular because it’s so easy to learn, though - English is a funky mess and the way we phrase and conjugate and sort and organize our language and statements can be quite difficult for people to learn, and particularly difficult for people to master. I don’t quite believe English, structurally, is all that easy to learn as a second language. We may just find people seem to take to it more easily because its use is so widespread and it’s fairly likely people will get additional exposure to and familiarity with it while attempting to learn it.

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Also since some (and the original post) have referenced K-pop, it’s worth pointing out a recurring theme in k-pop music is the use of English words and phrases. Many of the most popular k-pop bands and artists have English names, many k-pop artists speak English (indeed as the artists are often recruited and trained to be performers, English-speaking is often a requirement), song and album titles are often in English, k-pop songs will feature English lyrics and words, and so on.

So, in fact, the growth and popularity of k-pop likely just reaffirms how English is the modern global language of popular culture.

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Having traveled in Europe as a kid in the 70s I can tell you that English was not common in Germany Austria or the Netherlands. It was pretty much standard that no one (very very few anyway) spoke English if they were over 30 at the time unless they had an occupation that was oriented towards tourists or other businesses that dealt with England or the US. Below the age of 20 or so most people in Germany (and with decreasing likelihood the Netherlands and Austria) spoke English to one degree or another.

My understanding at the time was that the younger people had been being taught English in increasing numbers. If you work the numbers backwards I would say that starting in the mid to late 60s teaching English increased in popularity and by the early 70s it was pretty much a given that English was taught in German schools.
This is based on personal encounters as well as talking with my (German) cousins.

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English has dominated in the last 30 IMO, because of computers, Silicon Valley and the internet. Who invented the internet- an English speaker, therefore most of the original web content was in English. Same with operating systems like Microsoft and Apple.

Germany's foreign language requirements before the wall fell dependent on where one lived. Those in the West learned English, those in the East learned Russian. It's why Ms. Merkel can talk with Putin, she knows the language.

I also dare say that English is dominate because of the dominance of UK/US as world powers in the 19th/20th century. As others have noted French was dominate in diplomacy before then. Given the givens and what's been going on in the 21st century, it's possible that another language will dominate in 200 years.

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The BBC would broadcast in many languages and also offer programs
teaching English.

The Voice of American also taught english over the airwaves. One could always tell which version they used by the accent;)

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It's simple, as they always say, follow the money and you get your answer. If you want to make money, especially in the International Market, speak English.

Major second languages do come and go, and many of the theories mentioned are good, but the rise of the post WW2 US Economy drove English to another level, and has been the primary incentive ever since. It is also somewhat self perpetuating and would take a huge shift to take it out of being the default international language. Look at even the EU after the UK leaves, English will still be one of the three procedural languages, even though Ireland will be the only English speaking country, and still the most common second language among the EU Reps.

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Besides historical reasons, colonization and Industrial Revolution it’s also easy to learn, the grammar is not too difficult especially compared to German and French. It's accessibility makes that English is easily accepted by many. The UK and formost the USA having a dominant position in mass media from the outset.

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My daughter waited tables at a restaurant in a popular American national park in the west. Every nationality would come in. Germans spoke English. English tourists spoke English (not well in many cases). Swedes spoke English.

The French spoke French.

My daughter could speak French. She got every table with French tourists. So, if you are waitressing in a national park, work on your French, and you will get a lot of business.

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Emma, maybe what she meant was that they didn't speak "American" well. :)

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I can tell you that English was not common in Germany Austria or the Netherlands.

Not contradicting this, but we’re they speaking to you in French or Spanish or some other lingual franca instead?

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I had a non-English speaking cousin visiting, who said "English must be easy to learn - even the kids here speak it". (that's a joke, in case you can't tell)

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"...work on your French...." How true !

A friend of mine's mother was born in 1918 in Germany near Weimar into an upper middle class family of lawyers. At ten years old she began her first foreign language, French, which was considered first priority as a foreign language.

At 13 she started with English. That was in 1931. Both these languages she remained fluent for the rest of her life along with her native German, obviously.

In 1945 Patton's Army got to her town. Her family house was occupied by US Army officers. She was there and was obviously able to speak with them. She showed me her autograph book signed by several of these officers, some indicating their home state too.

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If you guys want some really interesting data and graphics about language learning across the world, here is a great report from duolingo:
https://making.duolingo.com/which-countries-study-which-languages-and-what-can-we-learn-from-it

Globally, after English, French seems to still be popular, but with Spanish very close behind. In fact after English, in the majority of European countries, the most popular language to learn is Spanish.

@Fred you may find this interesting - German is the most popular language, over English, in the majority of the Balkan countries of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. German is also more popular, over English, in Germany's old overseas colony of Sudwest Afrika.

Interestingly, duolingo’s Swedish course turns out to be the most popular in Sweden itself: 27% of all users in Sweden are learning Swedish!

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When global corporations (like Banking, Pharmaceuticals, Oil ... ) set a requirement that every employee speak at least one language in common (today, that is), the choice, even in European offices, tends to be English. It doesn't depend anymore on history, virtue, elegance, disappeared ruling classes, or anything else Romantic. It's simply a business decision.

You can be sad or happy about Globalization. And you can quarrel with any individual corporation's decision. But you don't have any actual power over it, even if you go to the Annual Meeting.

A related issue is the (serious, expensive) errors that continue to get made when scientists who normally use the English measuring systems are forced to do work in Metric measure. It's not the same thing, but one of the many reasons we all should learn a foreign language is so that we can really understand how imprecise translation is, and how translated words we read in English newspaper stories can convey incorrect implications about something someone not speaking English may have said.

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Interestingly, duolingo’s Swedish course turns out to be the most
popular in Sweden itself: 27% of all users in Sweden are learning
Swedish!

Sweden has accepted a fairly large number of refugees and asylum seekers, not to mention other immigrants or expats. It would make sense that they would want to learn the local language, no?

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@CJean - thanks, you are right, later on in the article it outlines why there are several different outliers in the data, like Sweden, another example they talked about was India, English is one of the official languages yet only 10% of the population can speak it.

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The language that prevails globally is the language of market dominance, to which everyone else adapts in order to participate in that market. The standard originated in London, which was the center of trade way back when, spread with the empire and then further with the market dominance of the US. Standardization also followed power, so that the dialect of those in power in London was upheld the "standard" dialect against which everyone else was judged. And so it continues. Had History turned out differently, we all may have needed, say, German, to participate in the global economy

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@ Carlos...My first couple of trips in Europe in the 1970s...granted a long time ago...I found German to be the convenient lingua franca in Sweden, France, Czechoslovakia, then the CSSR, when English didn't work or when I started with German first instead of English, as in the case of Prague, started speaking German there instead of English.

In Poland in 2001, '03, and '05 I used English and German, though mostly English but going to the border towns just across from the Oder to the Polish side in the least few trips, I always use German.

I ask Germans now when they talk of going on holiday in Italy what language they use, a good number of them say German and tell me that's fine with the Italian locals in terms of communicating. Basically, it depends on which language the local person is more comfortable with..

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The further you travel outside major cities, you will learn quickly how English is NOT universally spoken.

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If one goes by what the UN lists as the major languages (I think it's 6) French and English are among them.

"...how English is NOT universally spoken." How true! Based on my experiences in the eastern part of Czechia, ie, Moravia, the locals either spoken English or German when I tried communicating with them. Those Czechs knowing English didn't speak German, those knowing English didn't know German, (guys or women), and some I encountered did not know either one...all in the "service industry" ie, either that or they didn't want to speak with you.

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The British Empire, followed by the American Empire

Followed by the Galactic Empire... lol just kidding ;)

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I certainly acknowledge the spread of English as a 1st or 2nd language to 20% of the population in the past few centuries. But, how did it become the defacto lingua franca so suddenly...and without a vote. I don't think that the scientific or aviation communities had anything to do with it. Even though they both have adopted policies of English as a primary language. Was just wondering if the spread of thing like the internet and popular culture might have raised the bar so that it became the defacto lingua franca.

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Relative to Customs Declarations when you are mailing a packet and the contents have to be declared plus its worth, that Customs sticker appears in two languages, the local language, say if you're in Budapest, the customs sticker is in Hungarian, obviously the local language, the other language is French.

Point to point train tickets I bought in Poland in 2001 appeared in 3 languages...Polish, German, and French.

This last trip I mailed small packets containing postcards, brochures, other written material back to the US from Germany, the contents sticker was in German and French.

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It might be that the crowd here is not involved in the viral video sensation of platforms like youtube and twitch.

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But, how did it become the defacto lingua franca so suddenly...and
without a vote.

Again, travel outside major touristed cities and you might be amazed how many don't speak English. Or you can ignore that! LOL

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Yeah it is less common in some locations and the farther from big cities you get. But it is still the most common second language. Odds are in most of Europe (bilingual countries being the exception) if you find someone that speaks two languages English will be the second one.

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I find many of these response amusing, in that many don't really know their history very well.

While the British Empire did spread the English language around the globe, it did not cause English to be an international language the way it is today. And many have forgotten that France, Spain, Portugal, and to a lesser extent Germany, all had empires that spanned the globe. In those colonies, the European colonial language ruled. The British Empire had little to do with the globalization of English in the late 20th and 21st centuries.

French was long the language of diplomacy and communications (as was pointed out by several) and was only supplanted by English in the mid 20th century. It was often the preferred second language for those who were sophisticated or of culture (or who wanted to be seen as such). It was not commonly spoken by ordinary people.

Latin was a global language for those in religion, science and education for many centuries. It began to die out as the Catholic Church broke apart with the Reformation, making it less popular amongst Protestants.

English only became a global language, spoken as a second language by people of all types all over the world after WWII. And not to sound conceited, it was because of the massive globalization of American culture, business and military. American military forces were all over the world, in bases or wars. Think Korea, Japan, Germany, Philippines, Middle East, parts of Africa, etc... Just about anyone that wants to do business in the world will have to deal with American businesses and practices. And American culture became a dominating force with TV, radio, music, internet... Even in places where governments were anti-American, like the Soviet Block, American music and culture were popular with common people. And as the internet became widespread across the globe, it furthered the spread of English, again largely due to American influence over it.

Also, the American tourist market was bigger than anything that had ever happened in history. People all over the world were exposed to Americans far beyond their exposure to other language speakers. That meant nascent tourist industries worldwide soon adapted to English, as Americans were their best customers.

A few have pointed out that "not everyone speaks English" and they are right. But anyone in the international business world, tourism, or that communicates online globally will likely speak English. And as more people adopted English to communicate with Americans, the more they find they can communicate with each other even if it has nothing to do with Americans. That means it is highly unlikely to be supplanted by another language, even if American global dominance wanes in the 21st century.

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While there is no doubt that the British Empire and indeed the US after WW2 played a role in the spread of English, there is also the fact that most people find English a very easy language to learn and get up to A2 or B1 is not nearly as difficult as it is in other languages.

It is also wrong to assume that we Europeans use English as our working language when there is no UK or US people in the room, it is often not the case. In most cases if there is no UK/US person joining the meeting, then for first question to be decided to which language will be used. In post cases in Middle Europe it will be either French or German.

The EU has an objective of having each citizen in a position to conduct their daily affairs in at least 3 languages of the union, so A2 level as a minimum. And with the exception of the UK, most people of my age have got to that level. When I grew up in Ireland 35 years ago it was mandatory that you took three languages in school: English, Irish and one of French, German, Spanish or Italian. And it was not possible to get into college without having three languages, no matter what you intended to study.

My son is attending college in Bern right now studying Computer Science and to get in he also needed three languages, so he has French, English and German. And he needs it because most of the reading material is in English and the lectures are in either French or German.

It is also the case with apprenticeships here, once the kids leave school and start the apprenticeship schools they are required to continue to study at least two national languages and most take English as well as an option. That is why most of our carpenters, plumbers, electricians have no problem contacting business in English etc...

It is just how it is.

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I am well aware that outside of major cities you need to learn the local language to communicate. I practice my Italian 2 to 3 times a week since that is the place I like to visit. But, English has become so widespread that I hope that people in English speaking countries don't stop learning languages...I think we are falling behind the rest of the world.

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I am sure nowadays you can always find someone who knows some English to help you out depending on how many people are around.

That doesn't mean you can read the signs, explanations in train stations, newspaper headlines, graffiti (that too, esp if it's political, which you might find repulsive if you understood the language), news flashes on electronic boards, etc , etc., say while waiting for the subway.

I've seen on trips where Americans (in these two examples), not knowing the language and addressed in the local language, here German, in Munich and East Berlin, replied, "English, English?"

Then they were ignored, the waitress in both cases simply walked away from them without saying a word.

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Just wondering...but still practice your Italian or French or German:)

Ironically, the prevalence of English as the universal 2nd language, impedes native English speakers from learning other languages. As Roberto da Firenze pointed out, replying someone asking about taking Italian language courses in Italy. Paraphrasing from memory, "But you will not learn Italian if you are in a class full of other Americans, since you will speak English to each other outside of class. Immigrants from Africa, Eastern Europe, Asia will be talking to each other in their only common language, Italian. So they will learn it and you will not."

Another friend, working for a German company locally, got transferred to Germany for a year. 6 months later, I was in Germany visiting and talking to some of the people at that company. "How is X doing?" I asked. "Funny you ask. People we bring in from other countries, Brazil, Spain, Sweden, Singapore, are speaking pretty good German after 6 months, but X is getting nowhere!" "That's your fault" I replied. "Every time he stumbles and can't express himself, you guys switch to English."

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Who knows what it will be a couple hundred years from now. Probably a more universal language but could we speak it? In graduate school I had a roommate who was pursuing an advance language degree specializing in middle English. His text books, etc., were no more readable to me than if I had look at German or French textbooks. When he explained the word structure, grammar, etc., I could begin to see the hints of the English that we speak today.

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When the border passport checks on trains were still being done, I recall in 2007 in Forbach/Lorraine or Saarbrücken ( I did a trip there) the French and their German counterparts would get on at the same time after chit-chatting with another...yes, to begin work.

I watched them , you can tell these guys all knew each on a day in and day out basis. The Germans spoke French to them. Either I missed it, a possibility,... I did not hear either of them speaking English.

When you take the TGV or ICE between France and Germany with a mixed staff, the blue uniforms of the DB and the gray uniforms of the SNCF, what language do you think you will hear between these them? This I've observed a number of times since I take this route on every trip, and hone in on their languages. It's not English, more often it's French but you do hear the SNCF guy talking in German too.

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When you take the TGV or ICE between France and Germany with a mixed
staff, the blue uniforms of the DB and the gray uniforms of the SNCF,
what language do you think you will hear between these them? This I've
observed a number of times since I take this route on every trip, and
hone in on their languages. It's not English, more often it's French
but you do hear the SNCF guy talking in German too.

Several years ago (2013?), DB cancelled part of my itinerary between Frankfurt Airport and Berlin HBF and I didn't realize it until I arrived at Frankfurt airport. They didn't email me in advance and I didn't even think to check online to see if there were cancellations. I've learned since then. Anyway, the second leg of my trip in which I was to take a second ICE train from Hannover to Berlin was cancelled. I had bought 1st class tickets and went into the 1st class lounge because nobody at the ticket window spoke English and my German was rusty at best. Employees at that lounge spoke FRENCH, thank God as I studied it for years. One of them changed my itinerary and all was well.

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Taking that Frankfurt to Berlin ICE ride on arrival day from SFO I've done. I land ca 10 am, by 2 pm at the very latest after relaxing, dilly-dallying, and a hot lunch at the train station, I'm on that ICE direct to Berlin Hbf. Within 30-35 mins of arrival in Berlin Hbf, I'll be at the Pension near Savigynplatz after riding the S-Bahn

There are direct connections from Frankfurt Hbf to Berlin Hbf, which I always take, even missing an earlier departure since I prefer not transferring with luggage in tow. Connections from Hannover to Berlin either direct or transferring (usually in Wolfsburg) are very frequent.

Not surprising at all that no one spoke English. I never check on-line or rely on e-mails regarding train changes in Germany.

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I’d be wary of the suggestion English is so popular because it’s so easy to learn, though - English is a funky mess and the way we phrase and conjugate and sort and organize our language and statements can be quite difficult for people to learn, and particularly difficult for people to master.

True and not true. The fine points of English grammar are exceptionally intricate and thus very difficult to master, more so than many other languages. But the lack of complicated conjugations and declensions make it one of the easiest to learn in order to communicate effectively. Simple word order also helps.

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English is also the international language of science.

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English is also the international language of science.

Except when dealing between metric and imperial.....NASA, are you listening?

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Polyglots (people who speak at least 11 languages) say they don't willingly uses English, resenting its status as a global bully language. Fascinating article in The New Yorker magazine: The Mystery of People Who Speak Dozens of Languages...

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I was referring to English being the preferred language of international conferences. But we use the metric system in our research reports and papers.

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I was referring to English being the preferred language of
international conferences.

Almost any international conference anymore will be officially in English. Not just science.

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On one of the trips in the 21st century, I was in Berlin in July when an international conference was being held at the Humboldt University, the topic of which was indicated in a big banner facing the sidewalk, Unter den Linden.

The conference focused on a history topic.

I believe but would have to check my photos to be sure since I know I took a picture of that banner indicating the topic. It was in German. So, presumably that conference was held in German but in spite of the banner in German, it could have been in English...don't know.

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I'm sure the free movement of the European Union has sped up English being the "linga franca" as it were, too. (Also has no one mentioned the term "linga franca" yet?)

Within in European Union there are dozens of languages and hundreds of dialects. I may be biased because my social circle is very international, but it's not uncommon for EU citizens to do university in another EU country, go to work in another EU country, etc. Most of the people I know who do this are not fluent in the language of the country they've moved to - they communicate in English. It's very normal for me to hear two different European people speaking English to each other.

It's also interesting to me that even people from countries with multiple official languages, like Switzerland, will generally be more likely to have English as their second language as opposed to the other language than the other dominant language of that country.

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Clearly I started scrolling at some point ;)

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Interesting conversation. I work for Cambridge University Press and hands down, my favorite book that we published recently is David Crystal's The Cambridge Encylopedia of the English Language. Don't let the title confuse you. It's a single volume book of a bit less than 600 pages packed with lovely interesting bits of information about the English language. I browse it periodically! It's full color but is only $39.99. It's used courses on the history of English and in introduction to linguistics courses that focus on English. Chapter 7 is on World English--there are separate courses taught on this topic in linguistics programs. If you are interested in language you will love this book. And you don't have to be a linguistics scholar to enjoy it. I studied biology! :)

Crystal says that the "first significant step" toward world language status was at the end of the 16th century. At that time there were 5-7 million mother-tongue English speakers. Between the two Queen Elizabeths, the number of English speakers grew 50 fold. And most of those were outside of the British Isles--US residents making up a good portion of that number I expect. He includes a box on Why English. He has a chart that lists the number of English Speakers by country. He says the rise of English depended on two things. One was the British Empire and colonialization, but the second is the emergence of the US as an economic power.

We also publish ELT (English Language Teaching) and English language learning titles and that market is huge in the global south, in the middle east and many other places around the globe. I learned recently that people decide whether or not they want to learn British or American English and there are different programs for each! Our editors recently pointed out that English is not an easy language to learn. We have so many exceptions and inconsistencies that make it challenging. We are really lucky to have it as our first language.

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No real concerns here regarding the salient role of French as the United Nations listed it as one of the six official languages along with English, Russian, Spanish, Mandarin, Arabic. Good, that it will stay that way.

Keep in mind too that with the dominance of English, there is also the franco-phone world which offers linguistic competition to English.

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Carlos, I would be a prime example of butchering the French language, and German, too. Imagine parlez-vous anglais in a deep West Virginia accent.

Interesting point in the article about English bands like The Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and others playing a prominent role in making English popular. English (primarily) and American rock bands were hugely influential and inspiring to Eastern Europeans prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and even afterward. The power and ideas of music!

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Big Mike I heard French spoken with South Carolina accent when I was 19 and my ears still hurt 50 years later! Hah, hah.

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This is something that I continue to be thankful for when traveling internationally

Every time I visit France I am aware of that. It's not necessarily that people I come into contact with all speak English; they don't, particularly since I'm usually in rural France. But it's things like signs at historical monuments or museums, which, if they include a second language, will always be in English. One interesting thing I noticed on our flight home from France last week: on the Lyon-Munich leg on Lufthansa, the announcements were made in Germ,an and English, but not in French, despite flying from a French airport.

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Regarding news broadcasting world wide in English, there is the respected BBC World.

In French there is a counterpart to that, TV5monde, which focuses not only on France but the francophone world....Quebec, French speaking areas in Belgium and Switzerland, and Africa plus the French speaking islands.

That cover a lot of people and square miles where French is the joint language, or official language of administration.