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Honeymoon to Europe, thinking about buying tours in individual cities.

Hi, everyone. Well, as I said, Im planning my first trip to europe which is actually 2 parts: The first involves going alone for a month (december) in a sort of "exchange program", and in the second part (january) Ill be joined by my wife for our honeymoon.

We'll be going to the following destinations:

  • Zurich (and an unnamed plan made by some friends who live there so ill leave it at that for now) -- 3 days, 2 nights.
  • Venice -- 1 day, 1 night.
  • Florence -- 3 days.
  • Rome -- 3 days.
  • Paris -- 4 days.
  • Mt. Saint Michel -- 2 days, 1 night.
  • Madrid -- 1 day (I know, i know, but we'll be catching the flight there so might as well sightsee a bit, although not our main interest).

Anyway, being first timers I think it would be beneficial to book a tour guide in some cases. Ive seen many-a-tour companies online (Viator, Pricetravel, Booking) and some of them offer nice packs which Im considering.

My question is: Which tour companies would you recommend as reliable?

As an example, I saw this tour for Venice here which seems pretty good, but researching Viator as a whole, Ive seen some pretty bad reviews, which makes me a bit wary.

Thanks for the help in advance!

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1637 posts

Walks of Italy is one company I would recommend. They are recommended in RS Guide Books.

And yes, I have traveled independently and have used city/attraction tours and usually found them to be very worthwhile.

Posted by
8312 posts

First thing we do in every new city is Google "Free Walking Tours" for that city--where the tour guides work for tips. We've never been disappointed, as their guides are always state licensed and very good.
Then we'll pay for their Nightlight Tour or Pub Crawl Tour that night. They usually get 10-20 travelers from all over the world together and take you around to some inexpensive local restaurants, pubs and one of the great night clubs. The crowd we go with is usually a bunch of extraverts, and are very enjoyable to be around. And we know where to go for the rest of our time in the city for the cheap food and beer.

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892 posts

In Madrid, Federico Barroso (spainfred.com) is a tour guide of unique excellence. He sings, too!

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9200 posts

Having been on 2 "free" tours, my experience has been that they were a complete waste of my time and that the same amount of money expected as a tip, could have gotten me a really good tour with a real guide. The "guides" we had simply memorized a script and could not answer any questions from the group about anything. The one I went on in Frankfurt was so bad I didn't know if I should laugh or cry. Literally every single fact the guide told the group was incorrect. In Edinburgh, half the tour had left by the time the tour ended, the guide was so boring and unhelpful with answering questions. If you are still unsure, read the bad reviews for the free tours, they are pretty eye opening.

Wondering about that state licensed thing as I doubt it. In Germany there is no such thing, nor in France or in Scotland. Not sure about Spain or Italy. There is a reason the free tours are banned in some places. It is one thing to have a free lance license and another to be a registered tour guide.

Most cities have tours on offer for 12-15 euro for 3-4 hour tour. If you look on Trip Advisor you will find them. These are the same tours that Viator is selling. Do not book with Trip Advisor or with Viator, just with the tour company itself, as Viator charges tour companies a hefty 25% commission.

Rick suggests many tour companies in his books, but his lists are sometimes rather incomplete. You can also try Tours by Locals if you want a private tour or again check the reviews for tour companies in the cities you are visiting. Read their reviews, message the people who wrote them for more info.

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3961 posts

Another recommendation for Walks of Italy. We did the small group Colosseum Tour and the Forum/Palatine Tour in Rome. We were very pleased. In Madrid if you are limited for time we recommend Ogo Tours. We enjoyed their free Old Town Tour. It was a 2.5 hour tour that featured history & culture. OgoTours.com. The tour meets at Puerta Del Sol @10:45 am. In Paris we did two tours with Sight Seekers Delight. We toured the Marais & Montmarte. They offer a variety of excellent tours. www.sightseekersdelight.com.

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What do you mean by reliable? Not sure how you can predict that. Viator, for example, and maybe some of the others that you mention, are third-party resellers of tours. They don't actually run tours themselves. Hence mixed reviews. Perhaps your assumption that you need local tours, or need to book it in advance, needs another look. A good guidebook, Rick's audio tours, etc., will go a long way.

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16495 posts

Backing up a bit...

As an example, I saw this tour for Venice...

Your itinerary has you in Venice for 1 night, coming from Zurich. As you'll kill 1/2 a day or more just dealing with transport to get to Venice, this leaves you little time for the city. Consider that daylight will be short in January! Additionally, most of us do not advise booking tours for an arrival day should a transport or other delay cause you to miss the meet time. The tour you're looking at starts at 9:00 AM; there's no way you'd make that if transiting from Zurich.

Truthfully, I'd look at skipping Venice altogether and adding that night to Rome. There is a great deal to see there, and I personally consider 4 nights/3.5 days the minimum just to scratch the surface. Again, consider that daylight will be short!

Florence is very easily done on one's own, The historic center is not overly large, is easily walked, and you can use any number of self-guided walking tours, such as Rick's, to get your bearings. Depending on the sorts of things you wish to see there, you would want to pre-book entry tickets for a couple of the most-visited, such as the Uffizi and/or make the mandatory reservations for the duomo's dome, There is also a tourist pass available that may or may not be advantageous depending on the math.

Same for Rome. There are a couple of attractions you'll want to want to pre-reserve tickets for, such as the Colosseum and Vatican Museums, to skip long lines. That said, if you wish to visit the Palatine and Forum as well as the Colosseum (general-entry tickets are inclusive of all three), a guided tour can be beneficial as the latter two excavations are complex and tough to understand what you're looking at without a bit of advance reading.

Tours of the Vatican Museums can also be a plus, especially those which get you into the Sistine early, before the mob, and which include the basilica. That particular combo allow direct, shortcut access into the church from the museums, thus avoiding a long walkaround outside and another security check.

Two oft-recommended companies on this forum are Walks of Italy and The Roman Guy. I've not used either, personally, but many fellow posters have and given them high marks.

Otherwise, Rome is not difficult to explore on one's own with a good map and maybe a self-guided walking tour or two in a guidebook. Advance reading is HIGHLY recommended for ANY city on your agenda so you get an idea of how they're laid out, the sorts of attractions they offer which do or don't appeal, and how to visit those places (hours/entry fees/items which are or are not allowed inside/etc.).

Not much different for Paris, although it's a bit more spread out than Florence or Rome. We had a week there, didn't book any tours at all and didn't have any issue figuring things out on our own: a map, a good guidebook and advance reading... There IS a pass, the Paris Museum Pass, which is excellent if you are interested in enough in what it covers and can do enough of those attractions to break even, or nearly so.

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10597 posts

Paris Walks, Walks of Italy, Context Tours, and tours offered by the local office of tourism.

IMO local tours are a valuable way to learn about a place. Even if one has read a guidebook, the tour adds a new dimension.

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8920 posts

BTW, Rick's guidebooks often mention by name local tour guides that he recommends, with their contact info. But what Kathy said about being realistic about your available time is excellent advice. People tend to underestimate the time it takes to get from one place to another. It will usually eat up half to a whole day in travel (even when flying) just to relocate. Their goes a big chunk of your time, making it more difficult to schedule and fit in a tour.

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16495 posts

Even if one has read a guidebook, the tour adds a new dimension.

True. But I think it was the "honeymoon" part I had on my 'lil brain? Filling every day, in every place, with tours can result a pretty regimented itinerary, and spending more time in a group than just with each other. I'm not sure that's what two honeymooners may want to be doing? No right or wrong, it all comes down to style, I guess, and what works or not for each individual and situation? After a month being separated, a couple of lovebirds may not be wild about rolling out of the sack at 6:00 AM for a 7:30 early-entrance Vatican tour? Just sayin'. :O)

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So, from a waste of time to valuable....forum readers get the range of opinions from active posters. My experiences of free tours (tipping expected, however) have been all positive and would do so again with advance proper research. Disclosure: I am not, nor even been, employed in the travel industry.

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5398 posts

Kathy, at the pace the OP has set, I don't think there will be very much "honeymooning" going on. Adding tours in all the OPs locations, plus the frequent location changes = a forced march. They'll be too exhausted to "honeymoon".

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I, also, think you need to reconsider your itinerary. You are planning to spend too much time in transit. I can’t imagine what there is to do on Mt. St. Michel for 2 days. You would do better to skip the Mont and add those days to Madrid. Or, you could add one of those days to Venice.

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I agree with Kathy: Forget Venice if you can only spend a few hours and one (winter) night there. Not worth the transportation time.

I suggest that a close look be taken at each travel day. What does the flight/train schedule look like? How long will it take you to get packed up, checked out and to the airport/train station? Then how long is the trip itself? How long to get to the new hotel and be checked in? Realistically, what time is it now? In the absence of a teleporting device, there is no such thing as "2 days, 1 night" in Mont-St.-Michel. What you'll have is a few hours on the day you arrive and a few hours the next morning. Now, I'm not saying that is inadequate, but that is an awful lot of moving around for a honeymoon.

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Kathy, at the pace the OP has set, I don't think there will be very much "honeymooning" going on. Adding tours in all the OPs locations, plus the frequent location changes = a forced march. They'll be too exhausted to "honeymoon".

THIS.

Take a look at that brutal, relentless pace. Not what I'd wish on anyone's honeymoon. If OP sticks to this plan, better start scheduling the couples therapy now, and pencil in appointments for divorce attorneys a few months after returning home.

Yikes.

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4066 posts

Is this really your honeymoon or a bucket list? For example, I'm looking at your itinerary -- 1 day, 1 night in Venice?? What time do you think you will arrive in Venice for this "1 day/1night' time spent there? What's the point of even going to Venice unless it's a check mark on a bucket list versus a HONEYMOON.

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Well, we've been living together for 1 year, and with our limited budget for the next 5-10 years (long story) this is more a europe trip with the honeymoon as an excuse.

The venice trip I oversimplified, but we actually get there at 4 pm one day (in which we will probably just walk around and relax) and the next day the train ride is until 8 pm so we have the whole day for a tour.

As for the rest of the places, im not looking to take a tour every day, just wondering which places are worth it (the colisseum being an overwhelming "yes" for example) and the rest of the time just go and enjoy at our pace.

Thanks everyone for the responses!

Pd. Getting home we will still have 4 whole days to slack around and rest! Also, we're more than willing to skip a few scenes to rest if its proving to be too much for us.

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16495 posts

They'll be too exhausted to "honeymoon".

Um, well, yes. 'Spose I was too gentle with the suggested cuts.
OK, so I'd axe Mt. St. Michel and Madrid too, no question, and fly home from Paris.
There.

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Mt. Saint Michel is in my bucket list, we are planning on touring a day and resting the other.

Madrid is also entirely optional to tour around. Ill leave that up to my wife, as ill have already toured around in december.

The madrid departure/arrival is not optional, sadly, as the plane tickets were a gift.

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27927 posts

The thing is, there are lots of wonderful places you could see in Spain, without dragging yourself and your new wife through France and Italy.

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444 posts

Various city/neighbourhood/themed tours are a good way to go. We've had tremendous luck with both free and paid selections. Paris Walks are fabulous and only about 2 hours either morning or afternoon. We had an amazing free city tour in Bath - not on your agenda - but an example of what is out there. Some tours you just show up at a specific spot and join the guide. I would do some research on what is available (TA, guidebooks, tourism websites, etc) and then not book anything until you arrive. The weather may not be conducive or you may decide to do something different.

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I apologize if this question has been asked and answered, but are you planning on going from Zurich to Venice/Florence/Rome, then back up to Paris, then MSM and then flying home from Madrid?

To answer your question, I highly recommend Tuscan Trails in Florence. We took the Chianti Tour with a small group (which included a couple of honeymooners) in 2014, and the day and wine were truly exceptional.

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Yes, that is the itinerary. Its stretching a bit but we had to meet said friends in Switzerland and the round-trip tickets were a gift so I couldnt do anything about the weird roundabout.

Thanks for the advice! Ill look into Tuscantrails.

To answer the one before: Yes I know Spain is amazing, but we will leave that for another time. We're from Mexico so trying to prioritize our dream destinations first (Spain has a lot of similar architecture with Mexico so honestly not as exciting for us, please dont shoot me!), as we dont know if or when we will have a chance to go again.

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Oh, I understand your point about Mexico/Spain. I prefer countries where the national language isn't English.

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3430 posts

Hope you're planning on flying from Rome to Paris, and then flying from MSM (or Paris) to Madrid. Otherwise, this itinerary seems untenable, unless you aren't including multiple travel days.

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6788 posts

Bucket list, schmucket list. OP, you're missing the point. Completely.

Your problem is not that you're including too many "tours". That's the least of your worries. Your problem is that your itinerary is unrealistic, period. Not, as you say, "stretching it a bit". It's madness.

You need an intervention. You will not be able to pull this off (and if you manage to somehow, you will regret it). This is a waste of your money and time, no matter who gave you what.

Now you're saying that you are flying in to Madrid, and out of Madrid, and you plan to zoom back and forth, to Switzerland, Italy, France, and back to Madrid...in how many days exactly?

You want to salvage something from this (including your relationship)? Start over and come up with a rational routing - one that doesn't involve criss-crossing and doubling back. You don't have the time to do all that.

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If Zurich is a must and MSM is also, I would look at dropping Venice as a (time) luxury you cannot afford.

Have you looked at the logistics of getting from MSM to Madrid?

You definitely will need those 4 days back home to recuperate

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10597 posts

You didn’t ask opinions about your itinerary, but that caught people’s attention for a good reason.

I agree that the way it is listed here is more of a wishlist than a sensible itinerary.

Could you list it starting with arrival day and then count only nights in each place, not days. That way you can figure your travel time between places, if you will use a train or plane, and how many days, or in some cases hours, you have in each place.

January is a cold, foggy time for Venice.

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I will be using ground transportation from venice to florence and florence to rome, also from paris to MSM and back. The rest are plane rides. Yes Im only counting actual time IN the cities, not travel time.

The only crazy day will be Jan 14, when we will be traveling from MSM to paris and then flying to madrid. I never plan much for the days in which we arrive to a location, just walk around and eat/rest, no actual museums or anything intense.

Also, we arent doing much in Zurich just laying back and having fun with friends, and there are 3 in-between days (1 in Rome, 1 in MSM and the final in Madrid) in which I dont plan on doing anything we cant skip if we feel like lying in bed all day.

I appreciate everyone's concern and input though!

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6113 posts

Each to their own, but MSM was the low point for me of a 6 week trip to France, travelling late May and June, so not high season.

Venice is a rush in 2.5 full days, otherwise I would suggest dropping it and adding time elsewhere.

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Hi Hugh,

Congratulations first of all on your marriage. You have already received feedback on the itineary, so I will just add some information on tours. We went to Italy this past June.

Venice: Secret Passages Tour with Walks of Italy: https://www.walksofitaly.com/venice-tours/doges-palace-secret-passages-vip-tour. This is a small group tour of the Doge’s Palace and St. Marks with entrance to the prison in the Doge’s palace. There you will see pass over the bridge of Sighs and see Casanova’s cell. With a short-time in Venice, this maximizes your travel value. Our guide was amazing, a local who knew a great deal about the history and architecture. My friend who is in construction wanted to understand how St. Mark’s was built and maintained and our guide was an expert.

Also for food recommendations in Venice, check out the blog from Skye McAlpine: http://www.frommydiningtable.com. She is a resident and food blogger/cookbook author specializing in Venetian cuisine. We ate a birthday dinner at Al Covo—fresh, authentic Venician food.

Florence: we did the Uffizi and Accademia on our own using Rick Steve’s Excellent Audio Guide. Our favorite guided tour in Florence was the Sunset Food Tour by Eating Italy: https://www.eatingeurope.com/florence-food-tours/florence-sunset-food-tour/. A small group tour, you get to experience the culinary traditions of Tuscany. My niece and her friend loved the tour and the food. It is a bit pricey, but good value. Check out their blog as well for tips on eating in Florence.

Rome: we did a private tour from Miles/Miles which was great for the Vatican, but less valuable for the Colosseum. If we had to do it over again, I would take the early morning Vatican tour by Walks of Italy. If you go to the Borghese, they have an excellent English tour led by their docents. You can tour the Colosseum and Palatine Hill on your own, but we used the Rick Steves audio guide to the Forum and had a difficult time orienting ourselves (didn’t help that we didn’t bring any water in hot weather) and left rather frustrated.

Also in Rome, Eating Italy has a Trastevere: https://www.eatingeurope.com/rome-food-tours/

I have been to Paris many times, but haven’t taken any tours recently to recommend.

Sandy