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Help Choosing Location!

Hello,

I am starting to plan for my husbands surprise trip to Europe for his 30th birthday. I plan on 10 days at the very end of September/beginning of October 2021.

At first I was thinking Rome/Amalfi Coast but then got thinking about the Black Forest and considered southern Germany/Switzerland/northern Italy. Open to anything really.

We’ve both been throughout western Europe before but not together and not in the last 10 years.

We LOVE history and especially castles/ruins. We are not big on guided tours preferring to explore ourselves. Also love food and wine - especially wine.

We live in a very hot, humid climate so cooler weather is actually a plus for us.

Any suggestions? What is a realistic plan for 10 days. We’d love to take trains from city to city but are also willing to rent a car - whichever allows us to utilize our time best. Thanks!

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Well if you love wine, you might consider France. We just spent time in Burgundy and Rhone and had a wonderful time.

If you head down to southern Rhone, you are also right in the middle of Roman history and ruins.

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Well, if you are thinking of Germany and the Black Forest and you like wine, I'd look at going to Alsace and Burgundy. It will be harvest time. The Route de Vins is beautiful in the Alsace. I'd suggest staying in one of the cute half timbered wine villages, we liked Eguisheim. There are some things in Colmar worth seeing, but I'd go to Colmar just for the day. Unfortunately Alsace is best with a car, but you could take a train to Colmar and rent a car there. You could then go to Burgundy. Lots of great wine tasting around Beaune, and there are ruins. We loved the little town of Noyers and there were ruins there.

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Thank you for the replies. We have plans to do GB with all of our children in a few years so as Badly as we want to see Scotland and Ireland we will save that location for future!

So I decided to give him some info as to better plan this trip so he knows we are going to Europe. He has been to Paris but no where else in France. He travelled Austria and Italy pretty extensively. He requests someplace he’s never been.

So I was thinking Rhône area, then traveling up eastern France into SE Germany and then cutting through Switzerland to Lake Como area then flying home from Milan.

Does that sound too ambitious for 10 days? We would rent a car and enjoy the scenery as we go. We want to pack in as much as we can but also don’t want to be frantic the entire time. We have 4 kids so are used to busy days but also want it to be enjoyable as we rarely get a vacation!

Any recs as to must-see locations on our route? Is there a better place for this question now that I’ve narrowed things down? I truly appreciate all the help :)

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That sounds like an awful lot of sight-rich ground to cover in 10 days, but I have no experience tooling around Europe in a car. I'd generally want no more than 3 different hotels on a trip of this length, though with a car it sometimes makes sense to move more often to avoid doubling back.

Does "eastern France" include Alsace? SE Germany is pretty far from there; perhaps that was a typo and you meant SW Germany?

Use ViaMichelin to plot rough driving times. You'll need to pad the numbers a lot because they don't include any stops, getting lost, looking for parking, etc.

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Well, that helps a lot. I'm not an expert on those areas though I've been to all of them at one time or another.

If you have some ideas about specific things you'd like to do or places you'd want to do within those areas, that would help responders. For example, my idea of visiting Alsace would be at least a full day in Strasbourg, at least a full day in Colmar and at least a full day (with car) to see a few of the small villages. But no wineries. You're probably thinking differently.

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Maybe starting in Alsace would be easier. Ugh it’s so hard to choose!

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I think I need to do some research first so I know what our options are as far as what we want to do. Luckily time is on my side ;)

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Your idea for 10 days sounds extremely hectic. With 4 kids and busy days, you might consider a trip that slows you down. I always like to plan a trip like packing: put everything out that you want to do, and put 2/3 of it back to lighten your load. I am always sad at the time when I have to cut things out, but never sad during the trip that I left myself breathing room to stop and smell the flowers, so to speak. In fact, I usually end up not doing everything I had planned so I could spend more time just wandering around.

You have plenty of time before the trip, and planning is so much fun!

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put 2/3 of it back to lighten your load

if you call it "add 2/3 of it to the backlog for later vacations" it is much less depressing - lol

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Chartres, Loire Valley, Alsace. You can take a train to most of these, rent a car in the Loire Valley to drive there.

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I love the idea of putting some things “for next time.” Makes it an easier pill to swallow 😂 I’m so so torn between doing Alsace and a bit of southern Germany v Italy. I’ve been to Italy twice and my husband once but I feel like I’d never get sick of visiting there.

There’s just SO much I want to see. Germany looks amazing (Bavaria) but we’d be flying into Munich and our trip dates will coincide with Oktoberfest which I think might be a bit much for me. I looked at Lake Como area but guidebooks are saying October is high season there? And I don’t think Milan seems like my ideal type of city.

Any thoughts on the Romantic Road?

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Fly Frankfurt rt. Rent a car. Go south on the expressway and cross into France just North of Strasbourg to the Route de Vin Alsace (after more than 500 days as EU tourists, this is where we keep going back to), And I've got to recommend the restaurant Au Lion de Or, still owned and operated by the founding family in the original building. First open for business 3 years before George Washington was born. Generally avoid big cites-- no fun driving there, but do go into Colmar. Continue south on the expressways to one of these: 1] Switzerland , where you will have to buy an outrageously expensive window sticker driving permit, to the Lauterbrunnen Valley area & the 3 Passes road tour. If bad weather, cut across the Black Forest to the N shore of Lake Constance to the German Alpine road to Fussen (the Royal Castles) then the Romantic Road to Wurzburg to Heidelberg (we always swing by Schwabisch Hall) to the Rhine & Mosel Valley and back to Frankfurt (probably too much, but you get the idea)

2| French Alps instead of Swiss Alps. Again, only in good weather. Return toward Frankfurt via Dijon, Burgundy, Rhiems, maybe by the stunning Mosel Valley if enough time.

The Black Forest reminds us of the Appalachian Mtns with worse roads. The Alps are a way better bet for scenery, and for quaint villages, Alsace, Lake Constance, The Romantic Road etc & The Mosel Valley blow the Black Forest out of the water. If you want to drive around rolling hills pretending to be mountains, better to go into the Vosges in Alsace where the food is better.

Essential for a road trip (and for EU travel in general): The Michelin Green Guide for each country. The Michelin Guide will fill you in on lots of stuff to see along all these general routes.

Food: Alsace is next to Paris as foodie paradise. . German food is almost as good as French but we have never been fond of bland Swiss food.

Wine: Oddly, try beer in Alsace. We once bought 21 cases of our favorite French wine. Last year, the current vintage was selling for $3,800 a bottle. When we bought the 21 cases in the 1970s, it was $7 a bottle (took us 20 years to drink all of it. I wish I had a case left for resale). The point is that globalization made the price of fine French wine go nuts. You can bet the French don't drink in. The French drink house wine at $10-16 per liter. So should you. Excepting pinot noir, CA wines are as good or better than French wines and a lot cheaper, but where EU wines excel is in the jug wine market-- vin de table, vin de maison.

In Alsace & especially in the Mosel Valley if you get there, it would be worth ordering a low priced bottle of Gewurtztraminier.

BTW: don't drink and drive in the EU. Not a problem bechances wine/beer is sold everywhere within walking distance of where you are.

In Germany or Switzerland, try dunkle bier (dark beer). We ordered dunkle bier at a restaurant in Austria. The waiter said, "Americans don't like dunkle bier". I said, "we do", and I think we made a friend for life.

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You're more likely to find cooler weather in Germany/Switzerland (I think), if that's something you'd rather have. Maybe it was an anomaly, but we just came off 2 nights in Verona and 4 in Venice last week and I was out in capris, sandals and tshirts. We've been in Italy other times from early Sept to early Oct and the weather has usually been still very warm and humid. Mind you, the mornings and earlier evenings are cooler. But even in Venice at 9pm I was still comfortable in just a tshirt.

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"...somewhere he's never been." How about Berlin and Hamburg? Very doable in 10 days.