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Hello Central Europe! Rick Steves enters the 21st century

Hi all I came across this interesting post from Cameron Hewitt, frequent RS guide book co-author, announcing that moving forward European countries like the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia will now be considered Central Europe rather than "Eastern Europe" in the Rick Steves Universe.

As a frequent visitor to this part of Europe, I heartily applaud this change. Of course "on the ground" these countries have always considered themselves Central Europe. I guess it's always irked me (and my friends in the region) when they hear Americans called them "Eastern Europeans", heck many Americans I have met still think Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia still exist!

Here is Cameron Hewitt's message:

For years, anytime I traveled around Prague, Budapest, or Poland to update our Rick Steves “Eastern Europe” guidebook, locals would chuckle and say, “I think you have the wrong book.”

So what, exactly, are we supposed to call that beautiful, fascinating, and underappreciated hunk of Europe that lies between Germany and the former USSR? Locals call it “Central Europe.” And if you really scrutinize a map of Europe — all of Europe, from Iberia to the Urals — the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, and their neighbors are, unmistakably, in the dead-center of Europe. Prague, the showcase city of “Eastern” Europe, lies to the west of Vienna, Stockholm, and most of Italy.

And yet, that “Eastern” label — so entrenched from the Cold War days of the Eastern Bloc — is durable. Especially on this side of the Atlantic, we can’t quite shake it. So, in the two decades that we’ve been producing our guidebook, we’ve used the old “Eastern Europe” terminology...mainly for “marketing reasons,” to avoid confusing our customers.

Basically, we knew that “Eastern Europe” was the easiest shorthand to help people figure out which places we were talking about. But then, as soon as we lured them in, we’d set them straight. On page 3 of our Eastern Europe book, we devote an entire page into explaining this: You know the book you just bought? Surprise! It’s not “Eastern” Europe after all. Welcome to Central Europe!

I’m gearing up to update that guidebook soon, for the 11th edition. And, coincidentally, 2023 marks the 20th anniversary of when I first wrote it. Back in those days, memories of the communist era loomed large, and those “Eastern” connections exerted a powerful pull.

But the changes in these countries over that time have been dramatic. And recently, two things helped convince us it was time to properly reclaim them as “Central”:

First, Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine reminded the world that a bright-red line zigzags through the middle of Europe...but these days, it’s no longer the Iron Curtain. Rather, that line separates countries belonging to the European Union and NATO (including what we’ve been calling “Eastern” Europe) from those that do not. And because we’ve been reinforcing how “Eastern” those places are, many travelers are needlessly fearful about visiting safe and stable countries that are every bit as core to Europe as Germany, France, or Spain.

And second, several of our tour guides — who’ve long been patient and understanding about the liberties we’ve taken in labeling their homeland — submitted thoughtful feedback suggesting it was time for us to reconsider. And thanks to their persistence and passion...we did!

That’s why 2023 will be a year of transition: From now on, in the Rick Steves Universe, the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, and their neighboring lands are no longer “Eastern” Europe. They are (drumroll)...Central Europe.

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Of course, there are lots of nuances to this change. “Central Europe” is hazily defined; many would say it should also include Germany, Austria, maybe even Switzerland. (Our guidebook already includes Vienna, but we’d rather cover Germany in depth in our dedicated Germany book.) And our web team has warned us that the phrase “Eastern Europe” has a lot more SEO juice than “Central Europe”...in other words, Google likes it. We’re making this change knowing that it comes with a big risk: Our would-be customers might not find us.

And yet, idealistically, we believe that properly categorizing these places as Central Europe is simply the right thing to do. (Truth be told, it’s long overdue.) Maybe this is naively optimistic, but we’ve learned that Rick Steves travelers are savvy, open-minded, and curious enough about our world enough to hop on board when we lead them toward new places and new ideas.

What do you think? Nearly 35 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain — and 20 years after these places joined the European Union — are you ready to make this mental switch?

We’re heading to Central Europe...who’s with us?

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As long as you remember context and purpose, sure, I just don’t want another word that cant be used, despite the fact that it in a particular situation may communicate the intended meaning more effectively (when there I say Central, when I am here I say Eastern).

From a RS business perspective it's hard to believe that the war of aggression against Ukraine didn’t have something to do with the decision; after all the thought of going to Eastern Europe right now is a lot scarier than the thought of going to Central Europe and sales are sales.

So what is left in Eastern Europe and will we put Estonia and Latvia and Lithuania and Moldova in Central Europe if tourism picks up; or Romania since 2/3 of it is under Ukraine?

I have nearly as many friends in Central and Eastern Europe as I do in the US, and in the past I have asked the question: some really didn’t like “Eastern”, some understand the US/Western cultural reference and don’t really care, some in the tourism business liked the term as before the war “Eastern” was exotic and helped their business they believed; Europeans it turns out are at least as tolerant of such things as Americans believe they are about similar issues .... probably moreso..

From a US cultural point of view, especially for those over 40, the term “Eastern” conveys a lot more information than “Central” and if the purpose of words is to communicate information then in certain circumstances “Eastern” is probably more useful.

Finally, what does the world say, well, the United Nations says that the Eastern European Regional Group of States includes Albania, Estonia, Republic of Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Romania, Azerbaijan, Hungary, russian federation, belarus, Latvia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Lithuania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Czechia and Poland; wonder why these countries haven’t petitioned to be moved to the Central European group as I cant imagine anyone would say no?

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This was subject was posted by Cameron Hewitt on Facebook today. The reply I posted there was that our guides for our 2014 Adriatic tour (from Slovenia) and our 2017 guide for “Eastern” Europe (from Hungary) were both referring to the countries included in these two tours as being in Central Europe. My first thought on reading the post this morning was it certainly took a long time to make a change in terminology. I for one am happy for it.

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According to official US mapping services like those used by the census, Ohio is in the Midwest and Virginia is in the South.

Who are we to say otherwise?

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I suspect "Eastern Europe" has a lot to do with the East/West division of the Cold War and Iron Curtain.

What is "Central" and what is 'Eastern', what is 'Western' is somewhat arbitrary.

Why is there the distinction of Europe/Asia? When I look at a globe, it looks like one big blob.

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joe32, someone, probably a russian wanting to be European, put the Eastern border as the Ural Mountains.

Using that, then there are only 4 countries with the majority of their European territory in Eastern Europe (the distance from the furthermost Eastern point of the Ural Mountains to the West coast of Ireland divided by 3): russia and Georgia.and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan.

Yes, that puts Ukraine and Belarus in Central Europe too...

So avoid Central Europe as there is a war there...

Am I glad that the name has changed, or happy? Who am i to be happy or sad, that would be presumptuous as I don't have a stake as citizen of the region; but I am respectful of what I believe is a correct assumption that is it what the common citizen would prefer to be known as and so I use the term with my friends there.

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So what is left in Eastern Europe and will we put Estonia and Latvia
and Lithuania and Moldova in Central Europe if tourism picks up

While there is no fixed definition, the Baltic states are often considered Northern Europe.

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@avirosemail, I remember some ancient geography textbooks in grade school that referred to Ohio, et al., as being in the "mideast". And I agree it was a Cold War mentality that made the distinction in the first place. As far as the separation between Europe and Asia, that too seems like a distinction based on politics.

I am glad of this change for whatever reason. In the geographically-challenged US consciousness, I doubt it will have more impact than added confusion. I am just curious as to what will be the common way to refer to Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltics. Im not sure that the term Northern Europe is in common use in the US.

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As the capital of the Confederacy, Virginia has to be included in the "South". And contrary to what SEC commissioner Greg Sankey says, Oklahoma and Texas are NOT in the Southeast.

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Of course where Europe ends and Asia starts is a different question altogether, which has been pondered since Antiquity. Many Greco-Roman scholars supposed Europe ended somewhere in Sarmatia/Scythia now present day western Russia along the river Don. Nowadays it's accepted the Urals mark the eastern border of Europe, I believe stemming from 19th century British geographical tradition. The Russian didn't start colonizing east of the Urals until the 17th century.

wonder why these countries haven’t petitioned to be moved to the Central European group as I cant imagine anyone would say no?

"Better to be the first man in Gaul than the second man in Rome"

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I am from Ohio. We are not Eastern, Western or Southern, so we have to be mid-West. Ask anyone who lives there. We are mid-Western.

Glad they changed the name. Next is the second city label.

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How about Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovenia and Croatia being in eastern Central Europe?

Are the Balkan countries like Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania now in Southern Europe?

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As far as the separation between Europe and Asia, that too seems like
a distinction based on politics.

It very much is, although a distinction that has been around for millennia. And while we can certainly discuss the precise location of the border, most people probably agree on the general location of it.

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As Israel and Australia participate in the Eurovision Song Contest… does that make them in Eastern Europe?

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Somebody needs to tell Google to update as well. :)

When I google Central Europe it comes up as "Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Hungary".

Perhaps you are accidently using google.ru lol! ;-)

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Regardless, I call that geographic area stretching from the Rhine to the Bug " Central Europe" with Hungary and eastern Poland as "East-Central Europe," the term "Eastern Europe" is plainly inaccurate.

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Why not just refer to those countries as Europe.

But they are Europe...

I'm not sure I'm understanding, you mean to get rid of regional denominations like Central Europe, Scandinavia, the Balkans?

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Yes, to answer your question. Countries in South America don’t have a directional add on. Neither should European countries.

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Well call me old fashioned, but I still think directional geography has a part to play in helping to group together and recognize regions of shared cultural, historical, and linguistic elements like North Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Central America, Central Europe etc.

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Whenever I heard the term Eastern Europe I thought of countries behind the Iron Curtain, not their exact geographical location. The old Yugoslavia was south of Austria, not east. Albania certainly wasn’t in the east. So I believe the new naming Central Europe has more to do with their identity as a democratic society.
When I mention to friends we are traveling I might just say to Europe. I have never said, Eastern Europe, even in the 70’s when there was a Yugoslavia.