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Eurail vs ticket direct from train company

Hi!

There’s 6 ( 3 couples) of us travelling from Amsterdam to Rome in Nov 2024.
I heard mixed reviews on what is the best way to travel either using Eurail or buying ticket from the train station every time we travel.
Nov 9 Amsterdam to Paris
Nov 13 Paris to Zurich
Nov 14 Zurich to Lucern back to Zurich
Nov 15 Zurich to Chur to catch Bernina Express to Tirano then to Milan
Nov 18 Milan to Venice
Nov 20 Venice to Rome

Thinking of buying 7 days first class seniors Eurail or cheaper to buy individually?

Thanks for your help!
Cheers
Grace

Posted by
188 posts

Many will chime in here, but read RS advice elsewhere on this site and look at the Man in Seat 61 site for basic information. With that background perhaps suggestions here will make more sense.

Posted by
2357 posts

Trains are basically mass transit, just over longer distances. You can almost always just buy a ticket at the station, and go. But buying tickets in advance often does give you discounts.

My suggestion is to book train travel with the national railway of the country where the trip starts. And play around on their websites to see what the differences are between advance purchase tickets, and walk up fares.

Now as to your plan: I would not stay in Zurich, but in Luzern. Be aware that weather wise November is pretty much the worst month to come to Switzerland but you may be lucky. So you would travel Paris to Luzern, and then Luzern to Milano via Chur and Tirano. Note that you do not need a separate ticket for the Bernina Express. A ticket Zurich (or Luzern) to Tirano via Chur will be sufficient. If you want to sit in the panoramic cars on the Bernina Express you will also need a reservation.

An Eurail Pass will not be convenient, as you plan trips in France and Italy, where you still need to reserver seats. And the surcharges for cross border High Speed Trains are significant. Better just book tickets. And in Italy you can also travel on Italo, which is not covered by the Eurail Pass.

Posted by
6848 posts

You can almost always just buy a ticket at the station, and go. But
buying tickets in advance often does give you discounts.

And if you're trying to buy tickets the same day, there is a risk of the trains being sold out.

Posted by
2357 posts

And if you're trying to buy tickets the same day, there is a risk of
the trains being sold out.

That risk is nonexistent in Switzerland, and very low in Italy. And I would expect in November for it to be low in France as well. I regularly travel on the Paris - Switzerland TGVs, and usually only book one or two days before travel. I have never not been able to travel on the train I wanted. If trains regularly sold out days in advance they would be useless.

The issue is that TGVs become rather expensive when booked last minute. But when I go to Paris it is for business, so I am not the one paying :-)

Posted by
20869 posts

With a Eurail, you will have to buy seat reservations for Amsterdam>Paris (Expensive), Paris>Zurich (expensive), Chur>Tirano (expensive if you want the actual Bernina Express), Milan>Venice (moderate), and Venice>Rome (moderate).

If you want to all sit together, you will have to make reservations well in advance, and if you have to buy them far in advance, you might as well buy nonrefundable tickets far in advance and take advantage of discounts. The seat reservations will be included in the price of the ticket.

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6848 posts

If trains regularly sold out days in advance they would be useless.

Yet it happens. I agree that the risk is low in November, but it still exists. And I would be a bit worried about the Amsterdam to Paris part.

Thanks everyone for your helpful advice.

I try to book our train tickets but there ‘s no train available, is it too early to book yet for November or do you think it is now fully booked ?

Posted by
14513 posts

I just looked at www.eurostar.com for tickets for Nov 9 which is a Saturday. There are tickets available before and the week after so there may be track works over the weekend and they are not sure what trains will be offered. Any way you guys can travel on the Friday from Amsterdam to Paris?

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20869 posts

Another fly in the ointment, the Albula rail line between Chur and St Moritz is closed between Nov 3 and Nov 17. Bernina Express trains are being rerouted through Landquart, Klosters and the Vereina Tunnel, so no Landwasser Viaduct.

Posted by
551 posts

You asked a direct question about rail travel and received what appear to be some great responses. I would like to ask you a question.

Are you trying to do too much?

You are pushing yourselves across Europe as a pretty fast pace. Doing so, you are burning significant travel time to get to relatively short stays in each city.

Posted by
2357 posts

I try to book our train tickets but there ‘s no train available, is it
too early to book yet for November or do you think it is now fully
booked ?

If trains booked out days in advance they would be useless. Hence they don't. Certainly not months in advance. If you are booking a non trivial time in the future, and seeing no availability that means that booking is not open yet.
Looking at today for example I still see tickets available for most Amsterdam to Paris trains, just not cheap ones. For tomorrow some reasonably priced tickets are still available. So i you are not seeing anything on nov 9th then booking is not open for that date.

Railways that practice IRT ticketing only will open bookings when they are certain a train will run. Other railways that still use NRT ticketing will sell you a ticket, and then send you confusing emails afterwards when the schedule changes. You pick your poison...

Posted by
7257 posts

If you were travelling today and wanted cheap tickets from Amsterdam to Paris (and were flexible on your times) you could take the Inter City to Brussels, then the SNCB Olympic special 12 car loco hauled train to Paris, running on the older Classic lines.

It is very unlikely that there will be no Eurostar service on 9 November, but if there is engineering work somewhere it may have an extended journey time and be diverted onto the classic slower lines for part of its journey.

Posted by
1022 posts

It used to be a fairly simple calculation up until say two years ago when the carriers started to introduce all kinds of discounted tickets with various rules and regulations as to when they can be bought and used etc....

So for me the calculation now begins with determining if you can commit to buying the discounted tickets now and lock in the savings, if not then use the standard prices in doing your calculations and treat any additional discounts you get on the day of travel as a windfall rather than part of your comparison.

If you are in a position to buy the discounted tickets at the time you are doing the calculation then the chances are hight that buying the individual tickets will work out cheaper, but if not, then you need to put the time into figuring out what is right for you.

Thank you all .. you have been most helpful!

We are considering taking the Bernina Express from St Moritz to Tirano rather than starting from Chur. Is that wise ? Or we will miss a lot of nice sceneries if we do that .

Is Lake Como worth visiting?

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3100 posts

Have you ever been to Europe?

We were in Italy in 2022. We did 3 nights Milan, 2 Ravenna, 2 Padova, 5 Turino (food festival), 2 nights Pisa, 2 nights Siena, 5 nights Florence. Longest trip was 3 hours. Venice to Rome is probably 6 hours. Instead of going to Rome, have you considered Ravenna (capital of Rome, 450-500 CE), with amazing mosaics? 2 nights in Venice? Very short time.

4 nights Paris is good.

I would not add Lake Como. I would subtract locations.