entering Ireland with a return ticket for 4 months later - 3 part ?

You have already been told by the consulate that you can only stay 90 days. No one here is going to help you figure out how to circumvent the laws. I'm sure the consulate could explain the penalties to you better than a volunteer here.

Kathy

Let me be very honest here. The chances of you entering Ireland with a round trip ticket longer than your allowed to stay on holiday (90 days) is going to be tricky. Your right they don't usually don't check but if you are caught you run the risk of being detained and denied entry. It is possible to extend holiday stays beyond 90 days while in country but this is done on a case by case basis.

Check out these

http://www.entemp.ie/

http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=8778#working

http://www.entemp.ie/publications/labour/2007/guideworkpermits.pdf

Ireland is one of those countries that protects it's workers from out side the EU. Don't mean to burst your bubble here but many have tried and all simply run into a huge brick wall.

Without making accusations, as you may have some genuine reasons for your questions, but the tone says you're trying to circumvent the law.

Why on earth would you want to take such a risk???

Even if someone on this site suggests it would be fine, why would you want to chance it???

I would strongly advise you re-think this and live within the law! Nobody on this board should be assisting in something that we know is wrong.

Here are a few things to think about...

You arrive in Dublin, they see the return ticket for 4 months...red flag...they question you....you say you want to get a work visa....red flag....you will then be given a choice....you can rescind your request to enter Ireland in which case you will be put on the next flight back or one within 24 hours...or they deny you entry, ban you for up to 10 years, and put you on the next flight back.

Usually, you must apply for a word/study visa from your home country.

Now, if you were planning to leave Ireland for a minimum of 30 days during that 4 month stay, and could prove it, then you might be allowed in. But you would actually have to take that trip out of the country. If not, you could be caught and banned from re-entering.

Hi Kathy,

A visa for an extended stay is only $45... why not just apply now, pay the small fee, and not worry about it? Just contact the Irish embassy to look at the details for their new American work/travel visa for up to one year.

Here's a link to the new work/travel visa. If you qualilfy, the fee is $350.

Work/Travel Visa

Thank you to all who answered these questions. They were very helpful.

Just to be clear: my goal is always to live and act within the laws of all countries. I mainly just wanted information to see if these were actual laws or just "recommendations" which was the word used by the consulate. I'm trying to cheat anyone or get a job in Ireland to the detriment of an Irish person.

Thanks again for the info. It looks like I can try to apply from the US for an extension. If that doesn't work, I'll change my ticket and then change it back.

Cheers,
Kathy

I DON'T WANT A JOB IN IRELAND! Just to be clear - I'm not trying to work there, don't want to work there. I'm just going to study music at a school there. I don't want a work visa, just a permission to remain. I'm not some heinous person who's trying to cheat, lie, steal...It's complicated - the consulate has given several different answers about the return ticket. Thanks for any help on this. I want to be lawful and ethical but also not be stupid and change a ticket when it's not required. I'm selling my car and other stuff and living off of those funds. I also can do online psychotherapy with Americans in America under my American license and then paid in USD which I'll transfer to my currency card. I'm actually hoping to help the Irish economy by buying stuff there.

You mention transferring money to your money card. You might want to look at threads here about "money cards or pre paid debit cards." Most people here have recommended against that and advised to just use your U.S. atm card issued by your bank. Saves a lot of money. Good luck to you in your music studies!

You didn't say you were going to study music at a school in your original posting. Why don't you just apply for a student visa?

Hi,

I did a lot of research on currency cards and actually for purchases with my bank (WAMU/Chase) it was the cheapest way to do it and very safe.

I am going to apply for the student visa but the confusion lies in the return ticket piece. I've done a lot of reading and some places say you only need a return ticket within 6 months if you have the student visa, some say 3 months. Some also say you can't apply for the student visa before you go, some say you have to.

I also am not a recent graduate - this is just a music school not a college or anything but it qualifies.

Did you contact the administration at the Irish music school you are attending? Between checking with your school, the Irish Consulate in San Francisco and the Irish Embassy in Washington, DC, you should be able to get a definitive answer.

Regarding your original question, upon arrival from the U.S., I've had my return ticket checked several times in Dublin and the same in Shannon. I think the others got the impression you were looking for a job because you asked about a "work study visa" in your original post.

Kathy - yes, just go to the Irish Consulate in SF. They should be able to help you, give you the most accurate info. You can't just check websites (even Irish Embassy websites). My daughter had different info given to her with regards to studying in France - and staying for 1 year. She ONLY got the correct info by actually going to the French Consulate.

Thanks. The guy at the school called it a work study visa so I used that term which isn't right. I've talked to the consulate several times and they actually aren't that clear but all of the answers here have helped me formulate a more specific question for them which is, "Do you apply for a student visa before leaving the states or upon arriving in Ireland"? and "Do you have to have a return ticket with 3 months?"