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Dear old dad wants to do it again!

My 91 year old dad is talking about taking my sister and I on a Mediterranean Cruise next summer. He is very fit, very healthy as of now, but we are concerned about the heat. He still thinks of himself as 65 and doesn't think jet lag or heat will affect him. BTW, this will be our third Europe trip with him since 2013, so he is familiar with how it feels to fly from California to Europe.

We leave on July 22 and go from Barcelona, Italy, Turkey (depending on current unrest, I'm sure) and Greece ending in Athens Aug 5. This is the cruise he wants and those dates are the only available for our schedules. Looking at the average weather for that time of year on the Princess website it says the temps range from the 70's to 80's. But, my sister and I are afraid it will be awful hot and humid and maybe too much for a almost a 92 year old! Luckily, the buses that will transport us to sights are air-conditioned.

What have you experienced for weather during this time period?

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70s and 80s sounds right for Barcelona, not so much for Italy, Greece and Turkey. You can use a website like wunderground.com and check the day-by-day historical weather data for the specific ports you will hit. I'd trust that a lot more than anyone's averages. I'm always suspicious that those are averages over the course of the day (including the much cooler 3 AM temperature), not the average high temperature.

I'm almost 65 years old. I spent the entire summer of 2015 in Europe, a lot of the time in Italy and the Balkans. It was terribly hot. I survived pretty well, quite likely because I grew up in the southeastern US without air conditioning. And I drank a lot of water. Being on bus tours will help because of the air conditioning; I was using public transportation, often waiting outdoors for a bus. The water part will be really, really critical for all of you.

Exactly how you're spending your time during your day tours will make a difference. Outdoor sights like the Acropolis will be brutal. Indoor art (painting) museums are normally well air conditioned; some other museums (sculpture, stone antiquities) may not be cooled much at all. Quite a lot of the casual spots where you might stop for refreshments may not be air conditioned, so it can be helpful to look for a place with a closed front door and some kind of sign indicating that it is air conditioned.

Bottom line: I'd do the trip, but I'd strategize ahead of time. There may be places where you decide to do your own thing rather than take the cruise-offered day-trip so you can make a short day of it without feeling you've wasted your money.

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Chances are it will be hot - possibly very hot, but humidity is less of a problem. If he wants to do it, and he's very fit, then let him.

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God bless your dad!!! I travel with my 84 yr old dad and I have to remind him I'm not the youngster I was once.!!!! So you should all go, take precautions, drink lots of fluid and enjoy!!

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Good for your dad!
I agree.. it will be hot. .but as pointed out some planning ahead and taking some precautions can help.
I don't recall humidity being an issue so much , but the sun.. ugh.
Take lots of water with you where ever you go..
Bring an umbrella for shade/( don't laugh , it was so hot in Rome one summer visit my daughter bought a parasol from a street vendor to give us shade while touring the Roman Forums.. theres like no shade there!) even a hat isn't the same.

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Yes, I was thinking about an umbrella too. Also, I was thinking of buying one of those scarves that you dunk in water and wrap around your neck- the kind with some sort of cool beads. I'm hoping if my sister and I use the scarves and umbrella we can get my dad to use them too. My dad is very stubborn about getting old and will want to do the best sites many of which will be outdoors. In London in 2013 he made us girls take the seats on the tube and he stood! We could not get him to sit! The water is probably key, too. A good reminder of that!

Thanks!

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And hand fans -- you probably won't get Dad to use one, but you could waft some cool air his way. Used mine last week in a stuffy church.
I don't leave home without my cooling scarf from REI.

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I am a very stingy traveler. My way of dealing with water is usually to fill a water bottle before I leave the hotel and order water at lunch and dinner; I typically don't buy water elsewhere. That does not work when you're outdoors for hours at a time in 85-degree (or hotter) weather. Eventually I saw the error of my ways, and last year I often stopped in a bar and bought a bottle of cold water. The cost was as low as 1 euro; I don't think I ever paid more than 1.50. Of course, it will be cheaper if you come across a small market with a cold case. You will of course pay more in Italy if you want to sit down while you drink that water, but it's much cheaper than medical treatment for dehydration.

Another thought: Hiring a taxi for your port visits may well be cheaper than taking the cruise line's sponsored trips, and it would give you control over how much time you are outdoors vs. sightseeing from inside an air conditioned vehicle. (Just be sure the taxi is air conditioned.) In Barcelona, I think an hour or so being driven around the Eixample District past a lot of the modernista buildings would be very nice. Many of those buildings aren't open to the public, so you don't miss so much by just having a drive-by.

If you post a list of your cruise stops, others may have some specific suggestions for mitigating the impact of the mid-summer heat.

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yup, water, parasols, water, hat, water, suncream, water

Air conditioned boat?

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Every cruise I've been on has more than a fair share of folks over 80. Cruising is just right as you only unpack once, you don't have to schlep bags from hotel to hotel, excursions are optional and in my experience pretty easy (I'm 67). No worries about getting to restaurants, standing in lines for museums (unless you want to). As far as weather, we live within a mile of you and it gets hot! I'm assuming he is not from N. CA? Otherwise the weather is pretty much what you have. All in all, if he wants to do it, then do it. If he is having a good day, do an excursion, use sunscreen, stay hydrated. Not so good day, stay on board and chill.

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Thanks everyone!

Yes, he is a local- in Roseville, so he is use to summer time heat, although we go from house to car with air-conditioning. But, walking outside in the direct sun might be taxing, even for me! He is a beast wanting to go at this age, but he will and he will do everything! I just really don't know how the heat will "feel" there vs here. Us girls are protective of him so we worry it might be too much, but we will go as long as he is still well next summer.

The ship will be air-conditioned as well as the buses. I did check.

So, I guess just taking those protective measures: water, hat or umbrella, scarf (if we can get him to wear one) sun screen, etc. Maybe I'll buy him one of those waist packs that comes with a water holder, that way he doesn't have to carry it. Sis and I might have to tell him we are tired just to try to slow him down. Wish we could go at a better time of year.

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my sister and I are afraid it will be awful hot and humid and maybe too much for a almost a 92 year old!

Keep in mind that Sardinia in the Mediterranean is one of the areas of world with a higher than normal concentrations of centenarians so I would argue a Mediterranean climate is right up his alley!

DJ

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I'm from Washington DC, which tends to be extremely humid. It's certainly more miserable in the summer than California (I've been to LA many times) except for the desert area in the SE. The parts of Europe I visited still felt awfully hot last summer, and I had scattered bad days in Spain off and on this summer despite having skipped Andalucía. Barcelona has a pretty moderate climate, but it was more uncomfortable than I expected it to be, based on the reported temps. I think it must be rather humid; otherwise, I can't explain it. Not nearly as uncomfortable as southern Italy, etc., but not as mild as I expected.

One thing you should do is buy tickets in advance for must-see sights that are likely to have long outdoor ticket lines. That includes the most popular modernista sights in Barcelona.

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Dad loves the cruise ships excursions so we will exclusively use their tours. They herd you from one place to the other, but at least we shouldn't have lines and things should run smoothly while they move you in groups.

Here is the intinerary:

Barcleona July 22

Cartagena Spain July 23

Gibralter July 24

Marseille France July 26

Genoa Italy July 27

Florence/Pisa July 28

Rome July 29

Naples July 30

Crete Greece Aug 1

Kusadasi Turkey Aug 2

Istanbul Aug 3

Mykonos Greece Aug 4

Athens Greece Aug 5

And a couple of Sea days, but a pretty fast paced schedule since he will want a full day excursion at each stop. But, as you see a hot time of year. But, a great "last trip" I'm sure for dad.

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Holy Cow.. that is a packed itinerary.. I have only been on cruises in Caribbean and mexico .. where you get 3 sea days a week at least.. this is go go go.. your dad has more energy then me and I am much younger..

I would urge him to skip a port day or two if he seems to be flagging.. ( he will likely fight that .. but see how he feels)

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Your dad sounds like the kind of person who enjoys every ounce of life. If he has that kind of zest for travel, and he/you know it will be hot, then I say go for it!! Beats sitting around bored. He's putting his dreams into action.

Out on the sea it will be cooler, and if you can get on morning excursions that will help. And, of course, if it gets too hot, there is no rule that says you have to finish the entire excursion. The cruise ship (and the excursion provider) will be used to people having to sit out a bit when it gets too hot. And, if the excursions become just too much for him, the cruise line would likely let you drop a few and (if you want) switch to a private car transfer to tour.

If he's up for it, and if you both are up for going along, stay hydrated, dress in long sleeve, cool clothing and enjoy!!

Let us know how it goes. I wish you milder than expected temps and a fabulous time.

And, I'm sure you'll make sure he has trip insurance with the extra medical evacuation, if needed. But, likely he'll do just fine and next year you will be posting how he wants to take you all to Antarctica. :)

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I know you said your dad would want to do a full-day excursion at each port, but do you think you could talk him into doing two multi-hour excursions at a few of the ports, instead of all day? That way you get a break, coming back to the ship to refresh.

Granted in places like Kusadasi, it's somewhat of a long-haul from the port to Ephesus, so two half-day excursions would not make sense there. But, it can be gawd-awful hot there without much shade. In Mykonos, other than walking thru the little town, any excursion would likely be much by bus.....or just enjoy one of the water-side restaurants there and take in the views of the windmills.

So, maybe negotiate your dad to alternate full days with easier days. And, if all is going well, then you can likely add additional shore excursions as the trip goes along or switch from half-days to full-day formats.

Places like the Terrace Houses in Ephesus (if that excursion if offered on Princess) tend to sell out quickly.

In Gibraltar, the cave or siege tunnels will be cooler, and it does not take long to get to the top of the rock (and there should be some breezes). Rome can be brutally warm outside, so maybe opt for Vatican options instead of the Forum and Colesseum (unless early morning touring). A lot of the sights in Istanbul are inside venues, so that port should be relatively easy. Ditto for Barcelona, just avoid Park Guell (which can be very sunny and hot, crowded, etc. that time of year).

The Acropolis in Athens will be likely brutally hot. We were there one year at the very end of August before catching a cruise. I remember after touring the museum (which is lovely and cool), seeing a young lady wringing out her shirt in the ladies room and almost melting after going to the top of the Acropolis (so we opted not to do that....regret it to this day, but it would have been way too hot).

But, taking in the Acropolis Museum and doing a short stroll thru the Plaka neighborhood and stopping for a cool drink should be very doable, even in the heat.

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I'd never go by what the "average" temperatures are for that time of year. Just expect it will be extremely hot and humid in those locations. Much more so than northern California if that's the weather he's used to. But I would not stop a 92 year old from taking a trip somewhere, even if it's in less than ideal conditions. Just get a decent medical evacuation insurance policy and hope you never have to use it.

Make sure he's drinking enough water throughout the day and night (even if it means he is going to need lots of bathroom breaks!), have him dress in very light and breathable fabrics and wear really good shoes that promote stability on uneven surfaces (cobblestones, rocky beaches, etc.). And even though it might look a little kooky, get him one of those battery operated fans attached to a spray bottle to keep him cool as you are walking around on your excursions and you can't find a shady spot to rest.

He might be fit, but a lot of elderly really don't react to temperature extremes until it's too late. And even the fittest person can collapse from heat exhaustion. I catch my own Dad sometimes on the hottest days of summer walking around his apartment in a sweater with his Central A/C turned off and the windows opened only a crack. He claims he's "cold"! I have to remind him that he needs to ditch the sweater and keep the A/C turned on to a reasonable level so he doesn't end up on the 6 o'clock news as one of those tragic old people who die in the middle of a heat wave because they won't open a window or turn on a single fan in their house.

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It sounds like you will be with the cruise groups rather than exploring cities on your own, but for what it's worth, I was impressed by how easy it was to get cheap, cold bottled water in Athens. There was a stand in the Agora where a bottle of cold water was less than 1€. It's lovely when a location acknowledges their climate and doesn't try to gouge you accordingly.

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I use accuweather.com to look at long-range weather forecasts when I plan travel, and also for what actual temps were for the same period over the last year. You can also enter back a few years and get averages for multi-years.

You can put in each of the cities on your cruise itinerary, but here are a few I entered. Ephesus was the worst, with temps over 100 degrees some days during the period you will be there next year. So, that might be a port where all three of you want to have a shorter day (or just wait to see what the weather predictions will be for the same time next year before committing to expensive shore excursions for that port). Athens was also hot. And, of course, like anywhere it depends on the humidity and how baking the sun is.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/gr/athens/182536/month/182536?monyr=8/01/2016#

http://www.accuweather.com/en/it/naples/212466/month/212466?monyr=8/01/2016

http://www.accuweather.com/en/it/rome/213490/month/213490?monyr=8/01/2016

http://www.accuweather.com/en/tr/kusadasi/317049/month/317049?monyr=8/01/2016

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Susan, this sounds like a wonderful adventure for you, your dad and your sister. I was thinking of Laura B and her cooling neck thing when you mentioned it. We have a couple of water bottles that you drink from, but also mist when the trigger is pulled. It might help keep you guys cool. You are welcome to borrow them. I got them at Eddie Bauer. I think a hat and umbrella is good advice too. It's too bad that this has to be at the hottest time of the year. Is that because of your sister's schedule?

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Yes, working for the school district it has to be end of June to mid August. And, this is the itinerary my dad wants and the only time it runs during that period. There is a very similar cruise at the end of June but it does not include Naples where you can go to Pompeii, and that is a must for him. He always takes Princess Cruise Lines, and I know he is comfortable cruising with them, so I stuck to their offers when looking. I'm not positive he knows what he is in for with the heat. But, he says it never bothers him.....I guess that's a WWII vet for ya!

Thanks for the offer to borrow the bottles. I think I always borrow at least half of the things from you for my Europe trips.

Thanks Margaret for the weather info.

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It's the humidity, not the heat, that I'd be concerned about. Neck coolers work okay in dry heat (like California) but they are useless in humid climes. Light-weight wide-brimmed cotton hats help a lot, even though it may feel hotter to wear one. Running your hands, especially wrists, under cold water helps too.

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I will probably be the only negative one in the bunch!

Basing an opinion on personal experience this year, I knew I didn't handle heat well but I've had a bad time with the heat in my most recent travels. Paris-high 80s the 3rd week in Aug. Trier Germany-95!! end of Aug. Baden-Baden-again very hot. Ditto for Munich, Salzburg, Vienna and London.

Some days I just had to head back to the hotel in mid-afternoon to get out of the heat. Not sure you have that option on a full day excursion from your cruise.

Every person handles heat differently. I spent 30+years in FL before moving to Idaho. Part of that move was driven by not being able to stand the heat or humidity any more!

I guess it depends on how well he can function in the heat and if he has experienced heat of this kind recently.

He is a remarkable man!!

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Geez, he sounds like Pete Seeger, in his 90s and still chopping wood and singing songs.

I've used the cooling scarves in humidity and they still help. They can sometimes be hard to find. You could make your own with a bandana and the filling from a (new!) diaper or two. That's what they're made of, diaper gel. Take a separate bandana to wet and wipe your face.

Buy new umbrellas if your existing ones are all black.

I'm not sure that I'd be too worried about his stamina and risk for heat exhaustion. You might need to worry about your own!

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I woke up randomly thinking about your dad and your potential trip, especially Naples. I was going to suggest taking a hydrofoil to Capri at the Naples port, then taking convertibles (one can pre-arrange) to Anacapri (where it seems to be a bit cooler/breezes). Lovely old home/gardens to see, then one can take the chairlift up to the very top.

BUT, I worried that your dad might be motivated to see Pompeii (which was the key draw for our second trip to Italy...my husband always dreamed of seeing Pompeii). But, I gotta tell you, we were there during early April, and I really would not wanted it to be any bit warmer. Virtually no shade in Pompeii, and it can be very dusty into the hot part of summer (I'm told by friends who went then), not to mention gawd-awful hot.

So, what do you do: dad wants to see it. Life is short. If no other times work for the cruise, and if he won't consider some alternative brands (Seabourn and Silversea are fabulous, and then there is always the SeaCloud), I randomly just Googled air-conditioned clothing and all sorts of items (of course, I have no personal experience with them) come up. You might check out that option...seriously. While some look like almost space suits.....dad would get some odd looks, there are a few jacket/vest items that don't look too gawd-awful strange. Here's one:

https://www.amazon.com/Octocool-Air-Conditioned-Jacket/dp/B01312XKFA.

and this one might look even less strange:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7H1NE/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3/168-9135679-5764462?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=F3BC920ZXMW1M6K7AVCQ&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687602&pf_rd_i=B01312XKFA

But, I'm pretty hardy and I'm a serious gardener (so outside a lot in the hot/humid summers here), but I really would not be able to do justice to shore excursions in early August in some of the ports he wants to see. I would melt. Would I press on the best I could? Yes, but I would seriously melt and get entirely red faced without something serious in the way of cooling attire. And, I would also just do half-day excursions at each port. And, I'm several decades away from my 90s.

Maybe you will get lucky and have a cooler spell of weather and a lot of clouds.....I wish that for your family. Even rain would be better than 100 degree, hot baking sun.

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Agree with the post that stated "...you should all go, take precautions, ... and enjoy!!" Just hope I'm that robust and adventuresome at that age. Your dad sounds like a remarkable individual. He reminds me of an elderly person who, when admonished to take it easy, replied "I might die from being worn out, but I'll not die from rusting out!" Take an abundance of precautions and enjoy his life.

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Thanks again for all the help and ideas!

I think my dad is a very proud, tough man and won't show his weaknesses. I remember back in 2013 we were on the top floor of the British Museum during a heat wave and it was really, really hot inside. My dad was beat red, but wouldn't sit down, and when I asked him how he was doing he said, "fine, how are you?" I don't think he will admit it when he is having trouble. So, that worries me. And, he is resistant if we push him to do something different - like take a break or sit, etc. A similar thing happened in 2015 as we again were in London walking for miles and he got overheated and weak. Hubby grabbed a taxi for him but he didn't easily give in. I've talked with him about the heat and he seems to think it is kind of ridiculous to worry about since, "heat has never been a problem for me before". He really feels and does act so much younger than his age, but still! I think this time we will be better prepared, and being on a tour will be easier, I think, than on our own trying to fit as much in as we can. In the past I think we let him do things his way, but I think this time I think I'll try to control him a bit more without him realizing it like I will carry water, water sprayer/fan, umbrella etc, and I'll just hand him his. If we all use them then maybe he will just go along.

You have come up with some great ideas for me...thanks!!

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I was in Greece in July and it was really hot during the day. But it was fairly dry, so the evenings were much more pleasant. Can you do some of your sightseeing in the evening? For instance, I climbed up the Acropolis starting at about 5:00 pm and it was much better than mid-day. Also, I took lots of breaks. One great thing in Greece (and many other European countries) is that you can sit down and order a drink at a cafe, and they won't expect you to leave quickly. So I would sightsee for an hour or two, then sit in a cafe with a cold drink for a LONG time and watch the people go by, and then I'd head out again. Tell your dad that YOU need a break/drink!

I actually prefer an umbrella to a hat - I learned this in China where everyone uses an umbrella every time the hot sun peaks out.

I get how stubborn an older man can be. My father was over 90 and would NOT let me help with the luggage or bags at the airport. So there I was with my obviously elderly dad carrying everything and me with nothing - I can imagine what people were saying.

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Well, the good and bad news is that we will be on a cruise and dad will want the excursions. So, we won't have any choices really, as far as time to see sites. But, the good/bad news is that they move you through sites pretty fast. Looks like many excursions only stay at a given place for a couple of hours before they move on.

Makes me laugh about your dad carrying luggage and you nothing. This last summer we went with my dad to D.C. to visit my sister. My dad insisted that I borrow and use his carryon roller bag and he wanted a smaller bag that he carried through the whole airport. His bag was not light, yet he hauled that thing the whole time!

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I'll add a few things that I don't think have been previously suggested.

Cold drinks in Europe aren't like at home, except at Mickey D's ice is not as plentiful. If you can ice onboard ship, bring along one of those insulated water bottles. I'm thinking of the Yeti style insulated bottles. That way you have a very cold drink available whenever you need. This would be especially important for places like Ephesus where drinks may be hard to get.

Get and carry some of those one time use disposable ice packs. I've found them at Target, CVS, etc. Test them at home to see how cold they get. Maybe carry a small container of rubbing alcohol too for help in cooling as needed.

You and your sister should bone up on the signs and symptoms of heat exhaustion and heat stoke. Monitor your dad for any signs, take measures as needed. Know where the cooling points of the body are. I think its head, neck, wrist and armpits?

Please convey my thanks to your dad for serving. Without him and many others of the greatest generation, Europe would probably be a very different place today.

Have a wonderful trip

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Thank you Rocket! More good tips!

Yes, Europe would look different today if it were not for the greatest generation. My dad doesn't feel worthy of being included in the greatest generation because he didn't see combat, but being a medic he cared for the wounded.

I rarely have seen my dad cry but when we visited the American Cemetery in Normandy it really shook him up, as well as us. And, today, my dad will walk out of his way to thank every service member he sees. We should all do that.