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Clarification of the new rules--Update 4

I've been reading a lot of bad information and fears on the posts regarding the new ban. I'm going to try to qualify some of it from what I have read. I will add and update.

Why the ban only from Schengen countries? In Europe, the largest number of cases are from Schengen countries. Much of this may be because of the free flow of people as in no border checks. Other countries put health checks in place a lot quicker.

Why didn't Trump say Schengen instead of Europe? Trump was speaking to the masses. Most have never heard of Schengen and would not know what it is. Even news reports are explaining what it is.

Who can enter the U.S.? American citizens, their family members, legal foreign nationals (green card holders), their families, anyone doing official business with the U.S. or the U.N., and a few others. (In this thread these will be referred to as the "allowed group" for brevity purposes.) These people will have to go through extra health screenings before getting on the plane. It is against the law to deny entry into the U.S. to an American citizen but you can delay entry for health reasons. The administration also doesn't want the negative publicity it had when they evacuated Americans out of China. Americans could go but not their non-American spouses or children. I will also bet that when arriving in the U.S. you will be asked where you have been and it will show on your passport. You may be asked to go through extra screening. Again, he didn't go into details because he was making a speech to the masses. This foreign travel will not have an effect on most.

Can't residents of Schengen countries just fly to a non-Schengen country to get to the U.S.? No, the new rule says anyone outside of the "allowed group" cannot have been in a Schengen country for 14 days prior to your entrance into the U.S.

Will there be more empty flights? Airlines were flying "ghost flights" because the FAA had a rule that if an airline didn't use its landing slots at airports at least 80% of the time, they could be lost. The FAA has temporarilly rescinded that rule. Additionally, just as Americans will want to come home, Europeans will want to go home as well. There will be flights but only from selected airports.

What is the timeframe of the new rules? The new rules go into effect at 11:59 PM ET on Friday and will stay in place for 30 days. They can be extended or revised.

UPDATE: Is anyone with a Schengen country passport banned? No. it doesn't matter what passport you hold. If you are not one in the "allowed group" and have been in a Schengen country in the previous 14 days from your arrival date in the U.S., you will not be allowed. A French citizen with a French passport who has been in Ireland for three weeks can travel to the U.S. A Japanese citizen who holds a Japanese passport but has been in Germany the last week, can't. (I'm just using these nationalities as a contrast of Schengen country vs non-Schengen country. I'm not picking on them.)

Update 3/13/2020 3:30 PM--All passengers returning from Schengen to the US must enter through one of the following airports: Atlanta (ATL), Dallas (DFW), Detroit, Newark, Honolulu, NY (JFK), Los Angeles (LAX), Chicago (ORD), Seattle, Washington Dulles (IAD), Boston, and Miami.

Update 3/14/4:15 PM ET--The United Kingdom an Ireland have been added to the banned countries list. All non Americans who have been in the UK or Ireland at any time within 14 days of their arrival in the U.S. may not enter. Goods/Cargo may still enter from all parts of E

I am doing my best to keep politics out of this. I'm referring back to my days as a true journalist where I give facts and not opinions.

Let's keep politics and personal opinions and beliefs off this thread. Please only post legitimate news from reliable sources.

Posted by
138 posts

Thanks, Frank, for the clarifications. There is way too much speculation or agenda driven comments that get passed on as facts.

Posted by
4063 posts

At this point, Americans flying to the US from the 30 nations in the travel ban will be recommended to self isolate themselves for 14 days. As of now, this is not mandatory.

Posted by
15777 posts

edit: It is now clear that the 13 airports are in the U.S. But confusion continues . . . I've read recent quotes from US officials that say there will be screening before boarding. Personally, I'd rather be on a plane with people that have been screened. If screening is done in the U.S. and someone tests positive, will all passengers on that flight be notified?

Last I heard on CNN about 4-5 hours ago, there will be 13 airports in the Schengen area that will conduct screening, though they didn't have the list.

I wouldn't be surprised if people arriving will be required to be in quarantine for 14 days . . . That's the regulation here, though it's all self-quarantine.

Posted by
6501 posts

Thank you, Frank II. This is very helpful.

Posted by
245 posts

Why didn't Trump say Schengen instead of Europe? Trump was speaking to the masses. Most have never heard of Schengen and would not know what it is. Even news reports are explaining what it is.

He gave out incorrect and confusing information at a time of a global pandemic. There's no excuse for that, even if he was talking to the "masses" who don't know what the Schengen is......that's no excuse for factual errors.

Can't residents of Schengen countries just fly to a non-Schengen country to get to the U.S.? No, the new rule says you cannot have been in a Schengen country for 14 days prior to your entrance into the U.S.

Actually, the answer to this is actually yes, maybe they can.......The issue isn't that those people are residents of a Schengen country, it's that they've been in that country for at least 14 days. Residents of Belgium, for instance, can fly to and enter the US if they've been in the UK for 2 weeks on a business trip, and residents of Scotland, for instance, can't fly to or enter the US if they've been in Belgium within the last 2 weeks.

Posted by
1208 posts

It will be interesting to note if UK gets added to this as their numbers increase. If you look at the graph of number of cases over time in UK, it looks similar to graphs in Schengen countries, just shifted on the date axis. In other words, it just got a later start in the UK.

Posted by
375 posts

I’m confused I thought there were 11 airports in America for screening ? Maybe I misunderstood. DFW is my home but I know a lot of people flying back are quarantined down in San Antonio.

Posted by
10104 posts

Excellent, useful summary, Frank, thank you.

Airlines were flying "ghost flights" because the FAA had a rule that if an airline didn't use its landing slots at airports at least 80% of the time, they could be lost. The FAA has temporarilly rescinded that rule.

I just wanted to note that of course the European air authorities have this too — but Macron mentioned exactly this the other night when speaking to the public after an EU DVC on the crisis.

He basically said that they were going to seek an abrogation of those rules that normally keep the “ghost airplanes” from flying since the airlines don’t want to lose their landing slots.

I haven’t heard in the past couple of days whether this has been approved/enacted over here but they are definitely trying to get it done.

Posted by
19965 posts

Frank, you did good. I tried the same on another thread, but you did a better job. One thing of note is that the President said 30 days, the Proclamation does not have any mention of 30 days, it is until rescinded. The Proclamation is specific in that the ban is the result of cross traffic within the Schengen Zone making it impossible to ban people from Level 3 countries in the Schengen Area.

Posted by
10593 posts

Spoke to Delta tonight and understood that my flight will be screened at CDG before boarding. Therefore, we won't be flying through one of the 13 screening airports.
Also, my flight was 50% empty two days ago but is now full. People are scrambling to leave.
Edit: being rerouted through a gateway.

Posted by
10104 posts

Bets, glad you were able to get through to Delta and that they had reassuring news.

Posted by
31 posts

Frank, thank you for keeping the politics out. I deleted a thread I had started because people were asking me questions I could not answer. I will be following you for info. You seem to have accurate information on the ever changing situation. My tour was canceled today.

Posted by
1073 posts

I know that someone was told by Delta that they would be screened at their departing airport. That maybe true today, but don’t rely on what you heard today. Keep checking as it will probably change. Flights from China had to land at designated airports in the United States. I think it is too early to rely on anything that is said today. So many things have changed since yesterday.

Posted by
996 posts

From what I've seen/heard, this situation is changing by the hour AND protocols may vary depending on the location. I think Frank's post is brilliant, and for anyone planning to travel at the moment - well, just prepare for the unexpected.

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16172 posts

The topics of airports is not clear as to whether they are in Europe or the USA. When I find out I will post it.

Be aware, Norway today literally shut their borders and everything else. Any non-Scandinavians entering will have to go thorugh a 14 day quarantine.

Air France says it will continue flying to the US despite the ban. You can read about it:

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-air-france-klm/air-france-says-will-keep-flying-to-u-s-despite-travel-curbs-idUSFWN2B510Y?feedType=RSS&feedName=companyNews

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9436 posts

Thanks Frank II, extremely helpful info

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4063 posts

Frank II, this is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

I have a question which may be premature. If passengers are to be screened prior to boarding, is there a recommendation as to when to arrive at the airport before departure? Is it now more than 3 hours ahead of departure?

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16172 posts

*I have a question which may be premature. If passengers are to be screened prior to boarding, is there a recommendation as to when to arrive at the airport before departure? Is it now more than 3 hours ahead of departure?

No one knows what to expect before boarding. As for arrival, I have posted the DHS press release in another thread

And the President did mention that the UK may be added to the list of banned countries if their cases of the coronavirus increase.

Posted by
19965 posts

Frank II I read something on either the TSA or the CDC website, cant remember which now, but it said arrive 3 hours early. I am a bit concerned about lay over times. I have 2 hours in Istanbul on the way back. Normally that can be a bit tight, but now, well, I may just get to spend a night in Istanbul. For that matte if the ban gets extended a week, I may have to spend two weeks in Istanbul.

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6788 posts

Turkey is not one of the banned countries.

True. But Turkey just banned all flights to and from 9 European countries (see my post in the Turkey forum). So if you were planning to fly through IST to or from any of those 9 countries, you will need to come up with a new plan.

For right now, it seems there are no special restrictions on flying between Turkey and the USA (as long as you have a nonstop). I’m hoping it stays that way. Good luck.

Posted by
2151 posts

Frank 11 - great post!!

We are not traveling now, but would sure be grateful for your info if we were. We just received an FF miler email from American suggesting that if we do not have a flight in the next 72 hours to call another time.....they are absolutely slammed with phone calls right now, as I can imagine all airlines that fly internationally are...........which makes your clarification of the rules such a dear service to the Forum :)