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Christmas Trip Help! Germany, North Italy, Switzerland?

Traveling to Stuttgart mid December, adventurous family of 6 (ages 18 - 56) Flying home from Zurich on Dec 28th I need your help for an itinerary! I am totally lost. Do not want to rent a car, and would love to get to Rome if possible.

Dream activities:
Christmas markets
a castle
Mercedes museum
medieval towns (Solingen?)
skiiing for a day
sledging/tobogganing
dog-sledding, snowshoeing
...and any other amazing adventure I haven't thought of!
My husband travelled to Germany at Christmas 30 years ago and remembers a sleigh ride to an ice castle (maybe near Munich?).

I have booked three nights in Stuttgart so far and that's all I've got! Is getting to Rome too crazy? Should we stick to Germany/Austria/North Italy? Recommendations for ski spots for 2 beginners, 2 casual skiiers and 2 adrenalin seekers? Toboggan rides with enough thrills for the adrenalin junkies but also for their mother? AND WHAT are we going to do on Christmas day? I am at a loss thank you in advance for your kindness and advice!

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Mid-September being 14-15 SEP? That leaves you two weeks, more or less, to accomplish your list. This can be done.

Starting in Stuttgart you have the MBZ museum and Christmas markets right there. You can easily do the museum in the day and the markets in the evening. But skiing, sledding, etc. are going to require you to go further south. I’d look at two specific areas; Bodensee and Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

Bodensee is little more than an hour south from Stuttgart, but you want to head to the south, Austrian, side of the lake. There are a couple ski resorts outside Dornbirn, not huge, but if there’s snow you can get your downhill time in. Plus you have Zepplin rides over the lake, Meersburg castle, Christmas markets in all the small towns around the lake and in Konstanz. And Zurich is less than an hour away by train.

Garmisch-Partenkirchen is a world class ski area; they’ve hosted the winter Olympics there. They have slopes for everyone, cross country, sledding, snowshoes, etc. And the places for gear too. Plus you have a number of the more attractive old towns that draw tourists from around the world (Oberammergau, Füssen, Mittenwald, to name a few). And Munich and Salzburg are an hour away by train. And you can, of course, see the castles…

Now, as much as I like Solingen, and I go there at least once a year, It’s a long ways from Stuttgart. Think of it as an overnight. So I’d pass on that. But if you go, Haribo have their factory outlet there, and the cutlery museum is really good. And Boker knives gives factory tours (although I’m not sure how often in winter.)

And don’t focus on the markets. There are lots of them. Focus on the other stuff. Stay an extra day in Stuttgart and visit the Porsche Museum. (You can rent one of their cars and go for a drive on the Autobahn.) Take a scenic train ride through the Alps. Do some ice skating (they often have rinks at the markets). There’s a lot of stuff to do if you don’t want to stay inside and don’t care about the weather.

Then, it’s not just Christmas day you need to plan for. Things will shut down on the 24th NLT noon. And the 26th is a holiday also. I suggest you find a bigger city, Munich, Zurich, Konstanz, Salzburg for those days, because they will have restaurants and maybe museums open. Or a resort like G-P, because they’re geared for tourists also.

Think about this:
15 -17 Stuttgart
18-21 Konstanz
22-26 Garmisch
27-28 Munich

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Dream activities: Christmas markets, a castle, Mercedes museum, medieval
towns (Solingen?)

In addition to the time you might have in mind for the Market and MB museum in Stuttgart, I would allocate several days' time for outings to nearby places like those below, most of which are a stone's throw away. The number of minutes required to get to these places by train is in parentheses. Towns on the popular "German Castle Road" route have an asterisk.

Esslingen (10)
The Esslingen Christmas Market is often at or near the top of the must-see European Christmas Market lists:
https://www.timeout.com/news/revealed-the-best-rated-european-christmas-markets-111924

*Ludwigsburg (10)
Palaces: Monrepos, Favorite, Ludwigsburg

*Heidelberg (45)

Besigheim (20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1xqGvinerc

Herrenberg (30)

Tübingen (45)

*Bad Wimpfen (60)

For further reading on these places, I would pick up a more comprehensive guidebook at the library as Rick's materials do not cover them adequately.

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Already recommended, but Esslingen is a wonderful medieval town with a fabulous medieval market too.

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Thank you for the recommendations. Both of these suggestions have us staying in Germany for the whole time. Would you skip going to any other countries?

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Well, you have alpine activities in mind, so I could see 3+ nights in the Garmisch-Partenkirchen area in addition to a week or so in the Stuttgart area... While these places are in the same country, they are very different kinds of places...

I could easily see you squeezing out some time for Austria. Innsbruck is quite close to G-P. Rick likes nearby Hall. The Arlberg Railway is a really scenic trip worth taking, btw.

https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/hall-in-the-shadow-of-innsbruck
https://www.seat61.com/trains-and-routes/zurich-to-innsbruck-via-the-arlberg-railway.htm

And of course you are flying out of ZRH, so that's 3 countries already... and ZRH makes the Arlberg Railway trip a total no-brainer.

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Since you're flying out of Zurich I should have put that for the 27-28th. And what I'd really recommend is that you do that, and take the train from Garmish on the 26th to Zurich. If you take the S6 to Innsbruck, and then the RJX 368 to Zurich you have a fantastic view of the Alps almost the whole way. It may not be the least expensive way to get there, but if the weather's clear it's almost impossible to top.

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If you take the S6 to Innsbruck, and then the RJX 368 to Zurich you have a fantastic view of the Alps almost the whole way.

To be clear, this route is the same Alberg Railway route linked to in my previous post.

Whether you travel from G-P to Innsbruck with the S6 or the RB6, your train will stop near the Austrian border in Mittenwald, one of Germany's most precious alpine towns. Because Mittenwald is only 20 minutes from G-P, doing a day outing there from G-P would be a convenient way to visit:

https://www.butterandfly.net/wp-content/uploads/Mittenwald-Germany-14.jpg

https://hastingshouse.typepad.com/hastings_house_us/2007/04/mittenwald_germ.html