Americans won't be vacationing in E.U. until __?__

We get back what we put in, and that won't help the economy much. We're not gonna get travel and socializing back til we deal with the elephant in the room.

No big deal you can't even travel in the United States comfortably these days without a threat of catching it

Our travel plans in the US start with this question: Will this state let us in.

Ufkak, I totally agree with you about being sensible.

Is it really so difficult for people to wear a mask, stay out of bars and restaurants and stop whining about their "freedumb" for six months?

Apparently.

Per Washington Post article yesterday, some of the young see it all as a lark, get tested and retested, waiting to be positive and get it over with. So they've decided on the Swedish model.
Meanwhile, others deny any problems. However, the majority of the population is forced to avoid these other groups because with no one at the helm, we're sinking fast rather than succeeding the way Europe did.

It's like the Hokey Pokey!

"That's what it's all about!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZinb6rVozc

I get being young and impulsive. My attitude then would be to laugh at the olds and their physical weaknesses; fear of COVID. I remember well the attitude. I was going to live forever. I think the death rate for the young and healthy is near zero percent.

Intercontinental travel is going to take time to recover. Qantas, the Australian airline have announced that international travel (possibly other than to New Zealand) isn’t likely to resume until July 2021 for them and they have low rates of infection. Their A380s have been mothballed for at least 3 years. Pity, as it’s a great plane, but they are too uneconomical.

The U.K. is trying to open up some air bridges within Europe to avoid 14 day quarantine periods, but Greece has pushed this back at least a week as the U.K.’s infection rates are still too high. If countries aren’t being seen as taking the virus seriously and taking strict curbing measures, then don’t expect to be allowed in and welcomed by those countries that have made a big effort to get it under control. Brits still can’t go to Portugal, as cases are increasing in Lisbon, despite the fact that most in the summer head to the Algarve’s beaches, nowhere near Lisbon. The Algarve has low Covid rates.

Many things may not seem “fair” for those obeying the rules, but unfortunately, we are judged as countries and not as individuals.

Here in Guernsey we now have an airbridge with Isle if Man as neither island have any cases. Neither island has formed an airbridge with the uk or Jersey. I wouild need to quarentine for 2 weeks when i got back from either.

Back in February I thought “no worries, this will be over by September”. Held out hope until June, then threw in the towel thinking “we will just go September 2021”. Now I’m not so sure unless we get a vaccine. Our country embarrasses me right now, no leadership, bunch of entitled idiots.

I wonder how long certain places will continue to have low COVID numbers once people discover them and flood the area.

The Atlantic provinces are getting an Atlantic 'travel bubble' as of July 3 - we can travel freely within Nova Scotia (no cases for almost 3 weeks), New Brunswick, PEI and Nfld without having to hide out for 14 days once we get home. We are planning on some nights around the province and I'm trying to get hubby interested in Nfld, but doesn't seem to be working.

Just to give some context to this topic:

"The European Union agreed on Monday to open its borders to a list of 15 countries, which have reciprocal deals with the EU and are considered safe due to their epidemiological situation."

"Under the agreement, which needs to be approved by a majority of the 27-member bloc, travel to and from the following countries will be permitted from July 1: Algeria, Australia, Canada, Japan, Georgia, Morocco, Montenegro, New Zealand, Rwanda, Serbia, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia and Uruguay. The list also includes China, but only if visitors from the EU receive reciprocal treatment, given that is one of the conditions for reopening."

"The approved list leaves out 150 nations, including the United States, Brazil, Mexico, Russia and India. The list, which will be updated every two weeks, is only advisory and EU member states can deviate if they wish. But the capitals have been warned of the dangers if they go their own way and expand the number of countries from where travel is permitted."

So it's not a given that the Chinese are "in", nor the Americans "out". But at least our Canadian friends might enjoy Europe without being mistaken for Americans, at least for a little while ;-)

source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/29/us-visitors-set-to-remain-banned-from-entering-eu

It didn't have to be this way.

Given the graphs of the various countries and outbreaks, I'd do the same. Doesn't help that the Governor of SD says there will be no social distancing and masks are optional at the big July 3rd fireworks celebration at Mt Rushmore. More Corona for everyone. This weird anti-mask Republican diatribe just ensure that the virus will keep spreading.

Dang it, I spoke to soon. They announced one new case today, result of travelling and they have been self isolating. Really makes you look again at going away!

So is there some way to make masks “cool,” and “in,” besides the health benefits that too many are ignoring?

Maybe masks with a sports team or a player’s number will make them desirable? It’s worked for jerseys, ball caps, and T-shirts.

Oh, to be Rwandan or Uruguayan right now!

Cyn, oh yes, team-logo masks have been available for awhile. Wife ordered some (world champion) KC Chiefs masks from Amazon, and ironically, they came from China.

Hi Stan-
to add to your comment re "country of made in" facemasks with KCC logo, add my medical grade facemasks, Metformin, smart phone, and the list goes on and on if you ever check the "made in " indicator of almost everything except groceries and Cannibas.... I wonder which country will wind up with the virus vaccine monopoly...
Could it be the country in which the virus came from? Hello Joe...Your problem now... The Donald.

I'm with Eric - it didn't have to be this way :(

Americans won't be vacationing in the E.U. until ___
pigs fly?

I’m in a gloomy mood today with this July 1 news and we are cancelling our July- August flights this week. However with the dire US COVID news and trajectory I’m sad for so many. As others have said, it didn’t have to be so bad.

Republicans, except for Trump, are now urging everyone to wear a mask.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/republicans-exception-trump-now-push-mask-wearing-71543371

I doubt the scenes of mobs of mask-less people crammed into a bar, pool, or a beach are of one political party.

It's far from unusual for the young and healthy to throw caution to the wind. Been that way since the dawn of humankind when the parents first said, "Kids these days..."

I need to find some ultra-thin breathable masks because the cloth ones are suffocating, and they get disgusting pretty quickly.

Disposable masks are available at Amazon. Or if you don't like masks, try a face shield. They are acceptable for people who have trouble with masks. Also available through Amazon.

On long flights, the airlines are now asking passengers to change masks every 4 hours if the flight is that long or longer.

Or get the directions for making a face shield out of a Krispy Kreme box. The problem with that Idea is that I don't need to eat 12 donuts!

Interesting prospect, cala! So just keep the donuts, and toss one farther than 6 feet from you, if it’s clear somebody isn’t going to keep their distance from you. Maybe they’d be stop and eat it, giving you time to get away. Raised donuts might not get stale as fast as cake donuts.

If somebody makes it to France, go with chocolate croissants instead. In Bulgaria, use cigarettes. Not sure whether a cigarette pack could be fashioned into any kind of mask, though.