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Any long time independent travelers tried guided travel?

My wife and I have years of independent travel between us. The closest we've come to guided travel are a couple of self-guided bike tours where we cycles alone from prescheduled hotel to hotel, on a prescribed route, agency moving your luggage.

That was fun, but we quickly graduated to completely independent bike touring. Better for us, more self-determined not to mention far cheaper.

But lately when I talk to other people about travel, mostly a bit older than us, they really rave about their fully guided trips. "Guide X was amazing - you should really book a trip with that person." Their enthusiasm makes me feel as if maybe I'm missing something?

I'm not at all an independent travel snob. I don't see it as a marker of being a better or more legitimate traveler. Essentially we're all tourists doing tourist things and acting like tourists, whether we are low profile on our own or with a bunch of honking human geese on a bus. I'm not giving myself a pat on the back for style.

So I wonder, are we missing a lot by categorically refusing guided trips?

We're in our early and mid '50s, fit and reasonably adventurous. We often travel with our young teen kid. Maybe wait 10 or 15 years?

Thoughts? I'd appreciate feedback from people who've done some guided travel.

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You are not missing anything; stick with what already was working for you; we have used guides for certain museums (the Vatican) or tourist sites (Lascaux) for hard to reach places where you need a car ( e.g the small beautiful towns in France) or in non-Western countries (e.g. Egypt) or in South America (the favelas of Rio de Janeiro) and Buenos Aires when we did not plan well

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I prefer independent travel but will do a tour if the logistics are a pain in the butt. We have done a good number of tours and, with few exceptions, the fellow travelers have been fun and engaging, well traveled and educated. We have made some lifelong friends on tours. But choose a tour wisely. Stay away from the big bus tours. Also some tours have more personal service and nicer lodgings than others. You get what you pay for.

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Hank, there are a bunch of threads here that basically ask the same question, you could search for, and read a lot of comments in all directions.

I can tell you that I comfortably travelled a lot independentally, for years. As I got older, my spouse and I decided we wanted to do less work at planning and researching and wanted to let someone else do the logistics, so we could maximize our fun. The RS tours hit our sweet spot, with just enough free time where we could explore on our own. We haven't found the group intrusive - you be as social as you want. Other tour companies, I don't know. Not to keep plugging RS tours, but the groups have been energetic and educated, and not full of hard-to-please whiners. Yes, your on a schedule, but if you want to do more on your own, you can do that too.

So I've visited several of the same cities and places on my own and on a tour. I will tell you that I did not see half as much on my own as with the local guides provided with the tour. I found it so much more time efficient to be guided. There's more to value in an experience that just the dollar cost.

The best compromise is to take a short guided tour, and then add extra independent days on your own before or after.

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I travel independently for some trips and take fully guided tours for others. Even when traveling independently, I'll sign up for guided day trips or hire a guide for a specific sight.

It's been rare that I've paid for a guided experience and felt it was a waste of money. It's been more frequent that I recognize that I might have gotten more from an experience with better guidance of some format - even if only an audio guide.

I thought that with age I might lean more towards fully guided trips, but I'm finding it's more a difference in my vision for the trip.

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Yes! I nervously signed up for the RS Paris and the Heart of France tour a few years ago and called it "the experiment." I just wasn't sure if a tour group would match for me. Turns out, I loved it.

I still travel independently and just had a great trip to Spain with my sister. I've also taken some more RS tours. It doesn't have to be either/or. You can choose to travel either way and both are enjoyable.

I would like to suggest that you do your own "experiment." Pick a RS tour (or another tour company) that interests you and give it a try. I have found the groups are not a "bunch of honking human geese", but a group of extremely enjoyable and congenial people. There is a nice mix of group time and independent time each day.

The only way to truly know what a tour is like and if it is a match for you is to try one.

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We are independent travelers who have gone on guided trips to areas of the world where we did not feel comfortable traveling alone. We always have done independent travel in Europe, rent cars, easy to do. The small tours we went on were with college alumni groups and led by professors in Asia.
At some future time we may need to travel on tours but, honestly, they sound rather exhausting, up and out early, always on the go.
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No.

We have traveled independently for 20+ years to Europe, and probably as many trips. We have been tempted a few times to take a tour, and may still do so if logistics, hassle, and other barriers mean that there is value in having someone else handle everything. The Turkey tour may fall into this category, and someday. if things improve, Egypt with some good company.

My wife had always been attracted to a river cruise as well, but the more I read, the more problems with river levels, I am just at the point where I want to stay away from those. (We are not interested in ocean cruises either)

Basically, I see little advantage to a tour, I can get around and find hotels by myself. I probably eat many more interesting and better dishes on my own, and on my own schedule. Having a guide for a city would probably be nice, and the guides and experiences they provide would be a plus. But, we talked about our style of travel that we do now on our last trip, and agree that the pacing and what sights are visited on tours, and we have pretty much decided that tours are not for us. (Heck, most of the time, I am off doing things I like to do, while my wife is out doing her own thing).

I suppose the other topic is socialization. On one hand, yes, meeting people and having a group to interact with would be a nice change of pace for us. But I do see reports of people complaining about a little too much "interaction" on the tours, and peoples behavior being a bit annoying. Even seemingly innocent comments I have seen reveal a bit of concern on my part. One comment that basically wrote tours off for me was the lady that kept notes on her tour companions, if they were wearing a mask when encountered out on the town and other covid measures to report to the guide...I just don't need that level of drama on my trip. We also are not social butterflies, not going to be exchanging Christmas cards for years to come, not forming lifetime friendships from a random meeting, so polite socialization, yes; tour drama, no.

Like I said, we will probably do a tour eventually, but for most of Europe, it just does not hold much appeal, we will continue to do independent travel, and even that is shifting to a slower, longer mode as we get older.

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Been traveling independently and often solo since the 70’s.

Have taken 2 RS Tours: Florence and Istanbul.
Both tours were great.

The highlight of the Florence tour was getting into see David before the Accademia opened. 17 of us and a art historian. A treasured travel memory.

Another fabulous-oh-my independent travel moment was seeing the Last Supper. Was just me and security person who talked on her phone the entire time I was in the room. That whole Italy trip was solo as I was scattering the ashes of my best friend who was Italian but had never made time to travel. Had researched where her family was from and trained to a nearby village. Asked for help in a small cafe and through gestations, paper map and smiles secured a ride. Was able to leave her ashes on a hilltop.

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Until my late fifties I had always travelled independently. But, it was always Europe and the US. Now 10 years later and retired, I still do independent travel, but wanted to venture to other destinations. So started with various tour groups and have since travelled in Asia (India, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Malaysia, Sri Lanka), through central America, north Africa, Jordan, Egypt, Oman and many other spots. The list would have been waay longer, but for the pesky pandemic.

I'm a solo traveller and its just too tricky to do some places alone. My next trip is with a tour group spending 10 days in Tunisia in March, visiting the ancient sites.

There are pros and cons of course. But, it is nice to know that I just have to turn up at the airport and someone else has sorted out all the arrangements and I don't have to do anything - and will be deposited back at my home airport at the end of the trip. Some trips have been fabulous (eg Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and the long India trip I took), some trips not so much - I won't be doing another Europe river cruise anytime soon (Danube trip). But I don't regret any of them.

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When I talk to other people about travel, mostly a bit older than us, they really rave about their fully guided trips.

Have they researched their trips thoroughly before making arrangements as an independent traveler would? I’ve listened to many people rave about their trips including a friend I travelled to China with who exaggerated about how spectacular some things were when I was unimpressed. Another thing I’ve noticed with a lot of travelers is they want you to take “their” trip not the one you want to go on.
It sounds like you and your wife have had spectacular vacations because you enjoy the research when a lot of people are overwhelmed with trip planning. As Artificial Intelligence brought up exploring a favela in Rio de Janeiro which by the way requires a tour, or taking a dugout canoe in Botswana’s Delta are best left to guided tours where safety is an issue but the experience is educational. Keep doing what you like and don’t let others persuade you to take "their" trip.

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There are not many Top 10 Tours you cant do on your own, but I enjoy meeting people and talking about the culture and politics and the different ways people look at life .... so its not uncommon for me to hire a guide from time to time; and I spend a pretty fair amount of time in locations with less than ideal transportation systems and a guide with a car sure helps.

But I am picky, just imagine a day or days with someone you dont really get along with; so i hunt down the guides on the internet then I begin a conversation with them, sometimes email but recently WhatsApp and Telegram have worked well.

The process rules out tour companies where they cant tell you who the guide will be, and the process can take 3 months but I have never been disappointed in the end,

I have met amazing people, some that I remain in touch with until this day; and I have been invited home to meet mom and dad, talk and eat a home cooked meal on two occasions.

These have all be private, not sure I would fit into a RS tour, but for the price of a RS tour the private guides if selected just for parts of tour when it counts will cost no more; and in some parts of the world, like Eastern Europe, the cost of the guide is very reasonable.

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... for the price of a RS tour the private guides if selected just for parts of tour when it counts will cost no more...

Exactly!

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What I find interesting is that most of those with extremely strong feelings about independent travel only, don't seem to have actually tried anything different. Those that have tried both are telling you that both are good options.

I think what it really gets down to is not the opinions of a group of strangers on the internet, but what do you want to do? Are you happy with the way things are going and don't think you are ready to try a group tour? Great! Are you happy with the way things are going, but wonder what a group tour would be like and want to try one? Great! You decide. I will stress my point that those that have never tried a different way of travel, really don't know what the experience is like........

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but for the price of a RS tour the private guides if selected just for parts of tour when it counts will cost no more

By my estimate, probably still way less.

We went to Spain in September, spent 24 nights there, traveled most of the country, saw many of the same sights as tours, our total, cost, for two people, came out to about $290 a day. That is everything, total money spent, except for airfare there and back. RS tours to Spain come in at consistently $330/Day...per person, or $660 for the two of us...and that does not include any optional spending, meals on your own, and a few drinks in the evening...so closer to $700/Day for the tour.

I think I could add on some upgrades to lodging, meals, and guides to my own trip for that price difference.

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We're 58 and have tried all methods and have enjoyed them all. When we were 55 we took our first and only guided tour so far. What we really liked was the educational experience we got with a guide explaining what we were seeing, but also the cultural educational about France that we got from her. An added bonus for my wife was travelling with a group. She's a social butterfly and had 26 new friends by the end of the tour. It was a bonus for me as well as I could disappear and explore when she'd had enough and she was happy left behind to visit with others.

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I traveled independently with my late husband, and now mostly travel with guided tours. I really appreciate how much more I learn about destinations through the local guides. There are always things included which are difficult to arrange when traveling independently.

Rick Steves tours are particularly good because they include quite a bit of free time to enjoy as you wish.

I suggest trying a shorter tour to see how you like it. I chose the Madrid/Barcelona for my first because it didn't involve bus time.

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My husband and I, now in our late 70’s, have been traveling independently since we first met 20 years ago. Starting in 2002 we have made numerous trip to the Swiss Alps with our adult kids and other family members, then started branching out to include the UK, Italy, Germany, Austria, and Spain, then Australia and New Zealand. All great trips, and I love doing the planning. So we are very happy doing independent travel, generally mixing old favorites with a new destination each trip.

But In 2014 we decided we wanted to go hiking in Patagonia, and felt it would be best to join a guided trip with an adventure travel company. We chose Mountain Travel Sobek (now MT Sobek) and enjoyed the trip so much we have continued to do guided trips for hiking in places that are unfamiliar, or seem logistically challenging. We just booked a second trip to Japan with MT Sobek for November 2023. We went with them in 2019 to hike in a different area of Japan, and were so pleased with the trip that we have been waiting for Japan to open up so we can return.

Our trips with MT Sobek have had 7-9 people total, plus one or 2 guides, and offered wonderful accommodations, food, and places we might not have found on our own. Also an educational component about the history and culture of the places we were seeing. We spent most of each day hiking or at least walking. Travel in Patagonia was by small van, in Japan by train and bus. Our companions on the trip were interesting and fun to be with, and we have stayed in touch with a number of them.

We did a guided hike with REI Adventures for the Tour du Mon Blanc (hiking inn to inn around the mountain) after a friend who did a self-guided trip reported they lost their way three times, using the maps and instructions provided by the company. It turned out to be an excellent decision, because it became a somewhat difficult trip, complicated by bad weather and mudslides that closed one section of the trail. The guides and driver quickly sorted out the options, so we did a nice day hike in a safe area and then rode the van over a pass to the next inn instead of hiking there. One of the guides from that trip is now a friend who has visited us with her family. We planned to stay with them at their home in Chamonix in March 2020, but of course that was not possible.

We also chose a guided trip for our recent trip to hike in the Dolomites, with a Portland company named Mountain Hiking Holidays. We have been in the Dolomites before on our own, but wanted to explore new places. That trip was fantastic, with excellent lodging, great food, and interesting hikes (choice of two levels, moderate or strenuous,) each day. We really appreciated the two guides, who were very helpful and attentive in the places with tricky footing and/or cables. And it was nice to have all the transport logistics taken care of by the company.

So for us, guided trips are the way to go for our adventurous hiking trips. We feel the benefits make it well worth the cost. We will be trying out a less active/strenuous trip with Road Scholar in February to see Puglia for 8 days, because we do not want to rent cars in Italy any more. But I don’t see us doing the type of trip offered by Rick Steves any time soon, if ever.

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I think that some/many of the people who start to rave about how much they got out of a live guide just took a little longer to realize that reading the TI brochure or the signage on the historical placques takes you not all that far into unlocking or understanding the significance of a site - once they have someone who knows what they're talking about showing them around, they realize that strolling around on your own is often plenty engaging, but not as worthwhile as having someone with familiarity or even better expertise to provide real depth and insight.

You can get that by hiring your own, or maybe on a package group tour, but not always -- I like to mention how here in the Bay Area the day coach bus tours of wine country are often using guides who are the wine equivalent of ski bums -- they know nothing beyond the script the company provides them about Napa history, they are just working a seasonal job that gives them plenty of opportunities to drink. Is that kind of tour guide better than doing it on your own? Maybe not.

Another contrast -- I know folks who have done a lot of traveling throughout Europe, where it consists mostly of driving into a quaint town with name recognition, wandering around with a stop for coffee at a café, and then picking a spot to eat and people watch. Next day, repeat in another town. If that's the yardstick for leisure travel, then of course getting time with a guide who can tell you the background (why the town has name recognition!) is going to be worth raving about.

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I mainly do independent. I will say there are some places I have done group tours. We did Turkey but with another company. I don’t think I would want to do Turkey independently logistically it was kind of complex. We also did the Greek isles on a cruise line that’s no longer in business and did a lot of tours with them. They were very good tours, and I would do it again with that cruise line if they were still around. But I don’t know that I would do it with a lot of the big names you hear about out of the United States because from what I’ve heard it’s not quite as good. My friend was just on one of these and they literally had entire tours where it was all about making sure you got the best selfies ? 😂are they crazy?

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What I find interesting is that most of those with extremely strong feelings about independent travel only, don't seem to have actually tried anything different.

Here’s what I don’t like about tours:
1. If you’re not on a Rick Steves tour you get dropped off at a store and are expected to buy something.
2. You have to wait for others before moving on.
3. You don’t get to pick where you want to eat and order what you want.
4. Sometimes the tour guide talks too long.
5. Some of the places you go aren’t necessarily the places you care to see.

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I'm mostly an independent traveler but have taken a few one day and multi-day tours. I realized that multi day tours are no longer for me. I will continue to take a few one day tours but will only take a multi-day tour if it is to an area that would be difficult to go to without help.

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What I find interesting is that most of those with extremely strong feelings about independent travel only, don't seem to have actually tried anything different. Those that have tried both are telling you that both are good options.

Carol now retired, exactly! I've always traveled independently and usually solo, but as I read posts from those who have gone the guided route, I must admit I get a bit of a tickle inside me; wondering how it would feel to leave "the driving" to someone else and enjoy the trip without worrying too much about logistics.

I think that day may be coming closer.

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In 25 trips over always have been since the first time in 1971 an independent traveler/visitor, never took a fully guided tour, such as those offered by RS, Am. Ex, Rhodes Scholar, etc. ie, one where most/all the arrangements are made for the tour participants.

I have taken some city tours ie, guided bus tours for the day or several hours, such as going to Potsdam the first time in Aug. 1987 (otherwise one couldn't get there during the commie days, a super eye-opener, mesmerizing ) , Dresden the first time in the summer of 1992 on a gilded bus tour from Berlin, the first time over to East Berlin in August 1984 on a guided bus tour with all of us participants surrendering our passports to the guide at Check Point Charlie, etc in Germany, tours of palaces in the Czech Republic , Austria and Germany (Sigmaringen, Neues Palais, Bad Ischl, Vienna) .

Then also obviously, I took guided tours of chateaux or the city hall in France, (Compiegne, Fontainebleau, Arras, Malmaison, etc.

Some of these guided tours were exclusively in the local language, say French, where my comprehension was pretty inferior and dismal (20% max), some were in both English and the local language, ie to see this from a linguistic perspective.

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I think that some/many of the people who start to rave about how much
they got out of a live guide just took a little longer to realize that
reading the TI brochure or the signage on the historical placques
takes you not all that far into unlocking or understanding the
significance of a site - once they have someone who knows what they're
talking about showing them around, they realize that strolling around
on your own is often plenty engaging, but not as worthwhile as having
someone with familiarity or even better expertise to provide real
depth and insight.

I've always been one that wants to dig deeper, but reading from a guidebook or multiple signage in a museum gets old quickly. I find a live person much more engaging.

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I have made the switch. For many years my wife and I were independent travelers. I had worked in Germany for 3 months and found Europe was not a big mystery and travel was as easy (or hard) as in the US. A few years ago we started taking guided tours to places we did not feel comfortable doing on our own (China and Myanmar) and then started taking some guided tours in Europe. We found that with good guides we learned a lot more but skipped by places we would have stopped on our own or left places we would have liked to stay longer. We have tried to stay with companies like RS and OAT which have small group sizes and give you a fair amount of free time to to independent exploring. The cost is higher for guided tours but there is the convenience of prearranged lodging and transportation.

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I've always been one that wants to dig deeper, but reading from a guidebook or multiple signage in a museum gets old quickly. I find a live person much more engaging.

Once again, exactly. I don't even recall a TI brochure for Battle of the Bulge sites, or the less-visited D-Day and Vesuvius sites.

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The thing about European tours is they really don't hit any spots that I haven't already seen. Since I try to see new places each trip tours are generally eliminated. Plus, I really can't spend the 40-50% extra a tour costs. I just see that as extra days I can spend on a trip independently.

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We also chose a guided trip for our recent trip to hike in the
Dolomites, with a Portland company named Mountain Hiking Holidays. We
have been in the Dolomites before on our own, but wanted to explore
new places. That trip was fantastic, with excellent lodging, great
food, and interesting hikes (choice of two levels, moderate or
strenuous,) each day. We really appreciated the two guides, who were
very helpful and attentive in the places with tricky footing and/or
cables. And it was nice to have all the transport logistics taken care
of by the company.

This Dolomites tour sounded great Lola, so I searched up the company. More than $700 per night per person for the week long version. Not including airfare.

We are fortunate enough to have enough money to travel at this cost level if we wanted to, but it's just so ... much! I grew up with enough financial strain in my family that once prices hit this elite level I just become palpably uncomfortable in the given environment. The TV series White Lotus shows hotel staff unsmiling until the guests get close enough to see, and then smiles the whole time they are present. When I spend high dollars for extraordinary service it just feels uncomfortable to me, like I can't know what's real.

Plus I can't not run through the opportunity costs. How much more could I travel with that money? How much more could I set aside for generational security? Is it that much better to spend an extra $1000 a day for what the experience is?

And then when I do spend that kind of money and things aren't optimal I get bent out of shape instead of rolling with it like I normally do. I don't like to be like that.

My wife I think doesn't have the same hang ups - poor thing has to be held back by me ;)

Maybe one day I'll learn to let go and just enjoy when I've spent elite $$$ on whatever. It would probably be more fun 😊

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We seem to be talking about 3 things: Solo, Guided and Tour, but sure there is some overlap,

Solo: lIke I said above a trip that is centered on the "Top Ten" if your interest is general is easy to do in most locations on your own and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that way of travel.

Guided: in whole or in part with a private guide which is usually part of any trip I make to a new or difficult location. How much solo and how much guided depends on the trip; and you can customize it for your interests.

Tour: LIke 30 people on a bus with a guide you know nothing about until you get there; i am just not social enough for that, but if you are social it probably adds a lot of depth to the trip.

The RS best of Bulgaria in 12 days is $3,000 for 10 days of actual tourism) I think (based on my trips to Bulgaria) that I could do it part time private guide for about $2,000 but I would miss the social aspect of a tour.

But all three or a mix is perfect if it works for you; no one is right on this one

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Having never investigated or looked into brochures on Battle of the Bulge sites, I don't know about that at all.

However, you can certainly get brochures on WW1 battle sites, memorials , etc in northern France in a Tourist Office. That is the place where I got most of my information on the topic regarding their location, and so on by checking out the TI.

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Hank, I understand what you are saying, and I know many people feel the same. As did we when younger.

We are fortunate to have, at this point in our lives (late 70’s) to have more money than we need, as a result of our stable employment for many years, and our spending choices. And our kids don’t need any help at all.

We saved for travel by forgoing things that others spend money on—-we clean our own house and do our own yard work, while everyone else we know pays for these services, $$$ per month. We keep our cars for a long time—12-20 years. We have lived in the same house for 20 years and have little left of a mortgage payment. When it came time to add a room and renovate the master bath, we did the work ourselves. We don’t spend money to go out for dinner while at home, only when we travel. And even then, we mostly stay in apartments and cook for ourselves. We book our flights with miles, so they cost much less than otherwise. And we balance the expensive trips (one a year) with camping trips to the national parks.

It looks like the MHH trips have gone up in price, as we did the 10-day trip (/which I recommend) for $5000 each, or $500 per day per person. But note that their 10-day trip is 10 actual days of guided hiking—-they don’t include the arrival and departure days in the day count like most tours do..

For comparison, the 12-day Rick Steves Switzerland trip I looked at, for $4200, counts the arrival day (5 pm meeting at the hotel) and departure day (breakfast at the hotel and that is all). There are no tour activities at all on days 1 and 12. So really it is a 10-day tour at $420 per person per day.

For the extra $80 per day over the RS tour, what did we get? A small group ( 14), lodging in 4 and 5* hotels with very nice rooms, amazing breakfasts and 4-course dinners of the highest quality, plus bus transport and cablecar rides up to the hiking trails and back down. If you have ever done a high mountain lift in Switzerland or the Dolomites, you will know that this alone can add up to $100 a day, or more, if one is paying individually.

But it was the hiking that was the big reward for this trip—the hikes (with one exception) were outstanding. I said we had been to the Dolomites before —we went once as a couple, but I had been twice before on trips with a friend, planned by me. While those trips were good enough to keep pulling me back to the Dolomites, the hikes we did using information found online and in guidebooks did not compare to what we did on the guided trip. And the logistics of getting to and from the various trailheads on our own proved complicated and time-consuming. We also made mistakes—mis-judging the time it would take to get from A to B, so several times we had to find a shortcut to get back to the right lift in time for the last descent, or face a very long hike home in the dark. One such shortcut had us finding a cross-country route to the lift we could clearly see across the way, but we had to slip and slide down a steep slope into ravine and scramble up the other side, losing and gaining 800 feet of elevation each time. And then there were the electric fences— not fun if you make a mistake there in long wet grass.

On the Dolomites trip with my husband and adult daughter (2013) we stayed 3 nights in Val Gardena at a very nice small hotel before moving on to another valley to meet friends. One of our 2 full days there we chose to rent mountainbikes in Ortesei and take them up on the lift to Alpe di Siusi to ride in that beautiful place. We somehow got off-route and ended up on a gnarly hiking trail, pushing and carrying our bikes for a good half-hour until we re-joined the MTB route. I was sore for days.

After that, we were very happy to find a company that offered a guided hiking tour, and felt it was well worth the $500 per day. Note that the 2023 price is $600 per person for the 10-day trip, a better value than the 7-day trip.

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Lola thanks for the interesting narrative and details. The trip sounds fantastic. And I do see how it penciled out as not wildly out of bounds price wise. Merry Christmas!

PS I've been zapped by electric fences more than once, much to the amusement of my wife and daughter. A truly shocking experience!

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I ama 39. I have never done a whole-trip organized tour like the ones offered by Rich Steves. I have taken solo trips to Quebec Canada, England, Italy, Greece, the Netherlands and Northern Belgium, Spain, Florida, Washington DC, and Southern California.

I have taken guided walking tours. The "free" tours I went on seemed fine to me. On a "free" tour, you should to give the tour guide the equivalent of 11 to 25 US dollars at the end. I have gone on guided walking tours that required payment before the tour, too. Except that my tour from the Roman Guys in Rome, Italy, was a waste of money because I paid too much attention to the tour guide instead of observing what was around us, and I could have done my own advanced reading.

When possible I prefer to plan my own travel, and then go to the sights i picked, and spend whatever amount of time I end up spending at sights, without having to be chaperoned around, and I am trying to avoid restaurant food whenever possible. I might consider a day or part-guided-tour if I am persuaded that travel to a sight on my own is unsafe or too hard.

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We (59 and 72) prefer to travel independently in Europe. We have done a Rhine river cruise (8 days - Basel to Amsterdam) and found being organised by someone else not very enjoyable. We did the cruise after 4 weeks on our own in Czech Republic, Austria, Italy and Switzerland.

We were surprised by the number of people on the cruise who just flew in for the cruise, got a taxi from the airport to the boat and were doing the same at the end of the cruise. In our view, these people had a very limited experience of Europe. Some stayed on the boat the whole time and just drank all day!

We don't drive in Europe and travel exclusively by public transportation so that both of us can look out the window and enjoy the view. I like the planning almost as much as the travelling. When we get too old to get our bags into an overhead rack on a train is when we reconsider organised tours. So far, we are still agile enough (even with my crutches and knee brace) to go it alone.

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My first trip to Europe in 1970 was with a guided group. We've traveled independently ever since.

But now that I'm 72 years old, some car rental companies won't even rent to me. At one point, it may be time to go back to a guided tour.

My wife's hobby is finding cheap airfares, and we travel only when we get airfares 50% off normal airfares for the time. My hobby is figuring out where to go and where to stay. I fill in the blanks. Up to now, we've executed our itinerary like clockwork as I leave enough leeway to make changes as we go along. Having a Tablet with is is great for making reservations on the fly.

Although we're of retirement age, we're not old. Some tours cater to the truly elderly and those that have never traveled to Europe. I can see where traveling to Turkey or a few places is best done with a group. Excluding Lisbon and Slovenia, we've been virtually everywhere in Europe and know all of the major cities pretty well.

Recently, we'll travel on our own and then take in a cruise of the Mediterrrean or the Baltics--and then finish up on our own. The cruise works well for us in lieu of taking a guided trip. But guided tours do have their place..

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Hank,
I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and Germany for four years from 81-91 and did almost all our travel on our own. After I retired in 2010, we started overseas travel 2-3 times a year and have done a mix of indecent travel, cruise and guided tours.

In Third World countries or countries like Russia and China, guided tours are really a must. It is better for security, your health and just efficiency,

My wife and are are now in our mid-70s and don't cycle anymore, but we did quite a lot when in our late 50s and 60s. We never took a full multi-day bike tour but frequently took day tours that involved cycling in Europe. Sometimes the bikes were in terrible condition, but then again, our bike tour usually only involved something like 15 miles. That was nothing, since we had done cycling back in the USA for 60-70 miles at a time. It seems to me that the more time you spend on a bike and the more distance you travel, the more the need for taking a guided tour.

Outside of cycling, we now find that guided tours are preferable. The older you get, the more you will want to do a guided tour.

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We are in our 70’s and we still love independent travel. I enjoy planning our trips, and we want to have the freedom and independence to stay as long as we want at a destination or at a specific site. If you are considering guided tours, you need to very carefully read the description and itinerary. Many tours spend only 1 or 2 nights at a destination which is not nearly enough time.

As far as learning about our destinations and specific sites, we do read the guidebooks, any literature provided by the site, and we frequently rent audio guides.

However, sometimes we hire a driver/guide for a day or hire a private guide for a couple hours, or join the popular and common “free” guided tours, where you give the guide a tip if you enjoyed their services. For example, we hired Maja Benzon, recommended by Rick, for a private tour of Diocletian’s Palace and Old Town in Split. We hired a driver to drive us around the Bay of Kotor in Montenegro. Because he was from Croatia, he wasn’t allowed to guide us in the places we stopped at along the Bay of Kotor, but he gave us lots of history about the 2 countries while driving us around. We have taken the “free” guided tours in Ljubljana and New Orleans, and have sometimes taken guided tours of museums. We also took a guided tour to Sintra from Lisbon for a day. But keep in mind you have limited time on these day tours, and sometimes the site “visit” is only a drive-by. So you need to pay attention to the description and ask appropriate questions.

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. After I retired in 2010, we started overseas travel 2-3 times a year and have done a mix of indecent travel, cruise and guided tours.

Its always those you never expect......:)

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the 12-day Rick Steves Switzerland trip I looked at, for $4200,
counts the arrival day (5 pm meeting at the hotel) and departure day
(breakfast at the hotel and that is all). There are no tour activities
at all on days 1 and 12. So really it is a 10-day tour at $420 per
person per day.

Lola, I have to respectfully disagree with your math here. There is some tour activity on day 1, a one to two hour tour of Luzern and the dinner together. But really, since the cost of overnight accommodations is often my biggest expense, I tend to count my "days" as nights (or 24 hr period). So this 12 day trip would be an 11 night trip. Still, $4970 (including single supl) divided by 11 is still $451 per night. For traveling double Occ., that's $4295/11 or $390/night.

I've kept detailed expense reports on every trip I've made to Europe since 2000, and most of that time, traveling single, I've spent about 65€ per night, or $69 per "day" (24 hour period at today's exchange rate). On my last trip to Europe, traveling with a partner, we spent 117€/night ($124/night at today's exch rate), or $62 per person per night. That's $69 and $62 per day for independent vs $451 and $390 per day on a tour.

I'm not struggling financially, but I do have limits. By arranging a trip myself, I can afford to make a lot more trips to Europe, or spend a lot more time there per trip.

And, BTW, my trip expenses include absolutely everything I spend, all dinners and all lunches. Ricks tours include no lunches and only about half of the dinners.

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I have travelled both independently as well as on a number of different RS tours. Each method has pros & cons but I find that a combination of both types works really well for me.

When travelling solo, I like the freedom to set my own schedule, see the sights that interest me the most and spend whatever length of time I like in each destination. However tours make a lot of sense in some situations. I find that on tours I learn a lot more about the history, people, culture and food and it's so nice to have an experienced guide that speaks the language. It's also nice to be able to share the experience with other people. Taking a tour in areas where public transportation is not well developed is a prudent travel method, and it's a lot less work for me in terms of planning hotels, transportation, etc.

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Hank, I would warn you against doing Independent travel where you DO NOT plan your visits in advance. If you take it on the lamb to visit a particular place and arrive there and find that there is NO lodging available for 50 miles, then you have a problem. This happened to me ONCE, when we went to a city in Europe and there was a festival with all hotels, Band Bs booked fully.

Plan your trip, even if you do it yourself, you will understand what is good to see and have your lodging booked in advance.

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Geovagriffith I mix well-planned and "it's 4pm and I've no idea where I'll sleep tonight" independent travel. Hundreds of nights of each under my money belt ;)

When I was younger I strongly preferred unplanned. Now that I'm older I like well-planned better. I can't be a relaxed about floating free nowadays, and the entire world of information is at my finger tips in my phone. So I end up spending too much evening time planning. Last summer I got pretty tired of mostly free-roaming in the day but spending hours research potential places and routes at night.

Oddly, a guided trip is the most prescribed, but also must be freeing in that you don't have to plan much of anything. I'm sure people like that about guided trips.

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Mid 50's here and I plan on doing independent travel for as long as possible, meaning physical, mental and financial. Keep doing it for as long as you can, the tours will always be there but you never know when your personal circumstances will change. not allowing you to travel as you once did.

We do a mix of independent travel and organized day trips/tours on all trips. As others have mentioned, I get so much more out of the destination when I get an explanation of what I am looking at, walking through etc.

I don't dread a fully organized guided trip, but it would be more "we can still travel but now we have to do it this way" kinda scenario. I would also never want to stay in a 5 star anything, I like the offbeat, budget friendly places that offer me an experience rather than luxury.

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Hank, I would warn you against doing Independent travel where you DO NOT plan your visits in advance. If you take it on the lamb to visit a particular place and arrive there and find that there is NO lodging available for 50 miles, then you have a problem.

I think many people confuse Planning and "reservations". We typically, in a month long trip, maybe have 4-5 nights booked ahead, usually our arrival and departure nights, maybe some other nights if there is one particular place we want to stay, or we see lodging is very tight for an area. For the other places, we have studied, know what part of town we want to stay, have a reasonable idea of availability and price, and likely a shortlist of places; we just have not made the commitment to make a reservation. Why? our days may shift, we may drop the place entirely, we just like a looser style of travel, but we are armed with quite a bit of info...and the internet makes it much easier these days.

Not once in 20+ years have we "been out in the cold", paid exorbitant prices, or even had a bad place to stay.

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I don't think it's an age-thing. We rarely do more than a 1/2-day guided tour, but I seem to learn so much more on the good tours. We try to sprinkle in a couple 1/2-day tours - like food tours when we find good recommendations for guides.

We are trying our first guided tour in May, so I'll have more to say after that trip. It's a 10-day tour and we have 2 other couples we are traveling with, but the total group could be up to 12.

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This thread is convincing me that I should use local guide services more for a few hours or a day. I'll figure out how to schedule some next summer.

For instance I'd like to go on a guided walking tour of a historical Dutch town like Amersfoort or Delft. I'm sure little old once important places like those come to life with a local guide.

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We're in our late 70s and continue to travel independently. For many reasons we are not interested in tours. Besides the cost difference other questions are: will we have the energy or physical ability to keep up with the group, will we be able to stop for bathroom breaks when we need to, will we be able to eat when ee need to, will we be happy to get up and out at the early times set by the tour (this is a definite no for us). Guide books, the internet, and conversations with the locals provide the history and background we're interested in. We still enjoy doing the research and planning. We will continue doing this until it's no longer fun or no longer possible. But we don't plan to go on tours. If we're still interested in travel our plan is to spend two weeks in one location doing things on our own schedule which will make for an easy trip.

This is a long answer to a short question and only our own experience and thoughts but it might be helpful to others thinking about tours versus independent travel. In the end it always comes to personal preference and, thankfully, not everyone wants to do the same thing.

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Actually, most people have not answered the question that was asked which was targeted at people who have done both independent and guided travel. It is interesting reading to hear all the reasons why people who have never tried a guided tour have made that decision, but it really wasn't what the OP was asking for.

However this turns out for the OP, I wish you the best of trips and that it is all that you hope for.

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If you want to pop into a town or city without any previous planning at all, especially in the summer, that can be easily done in Germany and Austria. I've done that more than once in Germany.

If you decide to "wing it" in North Germany or in the eastern German cities and towns, you will find accommodations. What matters then is the amount you might have to pay. If that hotel / Pension amount is unimportant to you, ie immaterial, be it a 2 star or a 4 star, even better with this extra flexibility, then you have the hotel room.

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will we be happy to get up and out at the early times set by the tour
(this is a definite no for us).

That's a good one to be aware of. On our one and only RS tour, breakfast started at 7 and the bus left at 8:30 almost every day. A few grumbled because of the early time while a smaller few (just me) grumbled about the late start. Happily though, not one person was ever late for the bus.

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I have done both. I am mostly an independent type but in as a solo traveler I did a 5 night guided tour in New Zealand to avoid having to rent a car.

Everything mentioned happened:

  1. It was quite social and even 30+ years later I still keep in touch with one person.

  2. I saw things and did things I wouldn’t have outside the tour.

  3. I stayed in typically shared and tending to crappy lodging.

I’m mostly not interested in group touring again, although I like to plan. I think planning gets me more out of the trip once I get there than live guides do. I can see that over age 75 a tour would be appealing.

Aside: I’m quite interested in the “indecent travel” mentioned above— could make for a new category on the forum!

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Carol-Great points! Some days we are full of energy and others we want to sleep in a bit (travel moto: we can sleep at home) and take more of a slow day. I have bad knees and husband a bad back, so yea those beer/aperol spritz breaks are important. We also like to just stop and go as we please, not being on a time limit. Not to say our days are not structured, they are but with just one thing a day planned we can meander over to the event and know we have plenty of time after to explore the area.

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I would also never want to stay in a 5 star anything, I like the offbeat, budget friendly places that offer me an experience rather than luxury.

Are you saying that anyone who stays in any accommodation over a one star, isn't experiencing their trip to the fullest!

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I mentioned we've done both. One advantage to the tour has not been said. If you and the person or persons you are traveling with, are not on the same page as far as daily start times, or on what sights and restaurants to visit, a tour eliminates much of that potential conflict. Thus reducing stress. If your travelmates are all in agreement then thats not an issue.

I am very good at planning, but don't enjoy it as much anymore. I don't like being the person who has to make all the decisions either. Hence, we look at (RS) tours first. If the itineraries don't appeal to us, we'll go independent.

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a tour eliminates much of that potential conflict

Excellent point, Stan, and a big reason that I chose a guided tour for a trip with a friend with whom I'd not traveled previously. I did not want to be "responsible" for the success of her trip, or any "jams" we might find ourselves in. It's one thing to take responsibility for my own travels, quite another to take responsibility for someone else's. For the sake of our friendship, my preference was to give that responsibility to (in our case and for that destination) Rick Steves.

For me, that's quite a decision factor: how much do I want to be "responsible" for this trip/activity/sight, whether that's logistics and planning, or the experience and learning. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

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Mostly independent solo traveler here. But as the years tick by, I’m looking more and more toward the advantages of small group travel. I have been on one 10 day group tour (RS Heart of Italy), almost 13 years ago, and one 4 day tour just this last September (Rabbies Western Highlands/Isle of Skye) and loved both of them. Found that I really enjoy the camaraderie of having fellow travelers to bounce ideas off of but still embrace my independence. So, I guess you would say I’m in the Mixed Camp.- a little of both ways of travel. Still love planning trips - if it’s not mine that I’m planning, it’s sometimes others (with or without that persons request) - guess that could be annoying for some.

Today, I dropped my granddaughters and SIL off at SeaTac and I was probably getting on their nerves with my little tips. Must be better at that and hold back…..

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The idea of traveling with 20 to 30 on a giant bus through Europe is unappealing. I’ve always traveled using library travel books and visiting friends from all over the world during my trips.

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Today in the mail I received a very large brochure from Odysseys Unlimited with their 2023 tours. I flipped through and it opened to a page that said "Egypt and the Eternal Nile." I have to admit that it caught my eye and I thought, "Wow, that could really be great." I like that the airline prices are included in the tours.

Something to think about... ✈️ 🧳 🗺️

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Hi Hank, I have planned a lot of independent trips for years for my husband & me and for the last five years I did solo trips or a hybrid of my husband joining me for a week of a longer trip. I have also done three Rick Steves tours and have hired guides for a half-day for specific locations, such as Normandy Beach in France. I will be doing both independent & a RS tour this year.

Personally I love independent travel so much! Seeing something that I’ve spent significant time researching and going places where there aren’t a lot of tourists is invigorating, challenging & exciting! When I will have a guide or am on a tour, I don’t feel that same urgency. My example for 2023 - my husband & I will be traveling independently for two weeks in England/Wales. Afterwards, I am flying on to Ljubljana to join the RS Best of the Adriatic tour. I have already spent a lot of time (and excitement) preparing for those first two weeks. I have hardly done any research for the Adriatic tour locations so far. Both will be a lot of fun but different experiences.

Not to be negative about a style of travel, but I could never do a river tour or a European cruise. Yet, the people who do take them, share how they enjoyed their trip so much. So, I think it’s a matter of doing what seems best to you and maybe try a combo trip with both types, so you can see how you anticipate them differently, how they affect you, and your reflection of both afterwards.

Added note: just brought up your topic with my husband, and he immediately said there’s so much to enjoy with the independent travel. And you could supplement it with a half-day guided tour here & there.

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"but I could never do a river tour"
My wife and I had done mostly independent travel. Then we took a river cruise in Myanmar. It was the experience of a life time. We got to visit villages that the only access to was by the river. These villages did not even have docks. The boat pulled up to the shore and they put a gang plank across to the river bank. Two things of note, this was only a 44 passenger boat and I would not do this trip today because of the current political situation in Myanmar.

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We are middle-aged independent travelers who in the past several years have included some guided trips w tour companies - small ship cruises with GCT/OAT along the French and Italian Rivieras, and Greece and the Dalmatian Coast; and one RS tour (Portugal). We have a RS Sicily tour booked for 2023. We liked them better than we thought we would, although as many have said, there are pros and cons to group touring, and I personally would not want ALL my trips to be with tour companies. You do sacrifice some...well, independence :) The included group dinners are not always very good; you won't like everyone in your group; some of the local guides might not be great (all of which can also happen on your independent travels as well, I might add). BUT, I feel we got more out of our trip having the logistics and the guided tours handled. Do you see some sites you wouldn't have included in your own itinerary? Sure, but that's not all bad and sometimes it's amazing. Spend some hours on a bus getting from place to place? Sure, but gotta get there somehow, whether you rent a car or book your own train travel.

Most of the people we met on these trips were well-seasoned travelers, and it's fascinating to listen to where they've been and how they travel. Most had added independent travel before or after their guided trip, or both - or had guided trips booked back-to-back. Most had researched the itinerary and determined what they could or could not do, activity-wise, and adjusted their participation - no one held the groups up in any significant way. On our last trip, one traveler celebrated a 95th birthday. They did pretty much everything except some of the more intensive walks (life goals!).

That said, I would not travel this way exclusively. It's pricey - not a complaint, it just is. It can also be exhausting, between the social aspects (definitely done with being in a group after 14 days!) and the long days. Independently, we don't tend to pack quite so much into a day, every day (tours had lots of free time, but not much downtime, if that makes sense). After several days of breakfast and out the door by 8 am, I was at the "I don't wanna" stage :)

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As mentioned everyone is different and there is no right or wrong.

We also use a combination of independent travel and guided travel, like walking or day tours with a guide.

If practicable we opt for small group tours. I'm not a big fan of a large bus as it feels like we're cattle being herded from one place to another.

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Good question - I was asking myself this about a month ago. Spouse and I have traveled yearly or more to Europe and have always planned our trips ourselves (plus many trips within our home country, the U.S., and Canada). We have taken a number of walking tours in various cities, and in Siciliy, took a half-day tour to some obscure locations.

I (F, upper 50s) just signed up for a very niche one-week tour that focuses on a very specific time period in history. (It's not RS) The tour leader is a professor whose course on the topic I listened to years ago. I'm excited about the topics and look forward, specifically, to his talks. But I thought long and hard about taking a guided tour, due to the cons that others have noted. (I will be adding on days at the beginning and end of the trip to do what I want.) Hubby will not be going, he doesn't want to travel during the tour time period and the topic doesn't really interest him.

My other reason for booking a guided tour is companionship. My spouse is not very talkative or outgoing. I'm looking forward to meeting other people (with the knowledge that I will not like them all.)

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I've used this dining analogy before. It's like choosing between having a nice dinner at home versus going to a restaurant. You might enjoy doing all the work - planning, shopping, cooking, serving, & cleaning, or you might want to let someone else do that stuff so you can concentrate on enjoying the food, atmosphere, and conversation. Doing it yourself, might be less expensive, but there's more to consider to a trip than cost. You can travel both ways without committing.

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We have always traveled independently, which I have planned (Husband thinks it all happens by magic). Last spring we planned to go to Sicily with 2 other couples, which I decided was too much for me to plan the entire trip. A couple months before the trip, one couple canceled, but we were committed to the RS Sicily trip (I planned 3 days before and 12 days after the tour for the four of us). I enjoyed the tour which did include a few things we couldn't or wouldn't have done on our own. However, I now know that I prefer doing it on our own, although I would consider another tour for someplace that doesn't feel completely safe to travel on my own. The main problem with the tour was the pace. We like to travel slow, which is not practical for a tour. Adding time before and after to slow down really made me happy. It is not that we couldn't keep up, it is just that we like to stay a bit longer to soak in the area. Anyway, you might try a shorter tour with some of your own travel at the beginning or end.

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I don’t thinking you’re missing anything; you’re just going to have a different experience. It sounds like you are comfortable with the planning and have had found a travel style that suits you. I miss the crazy stories we accumulated with our independent travel because they usually involved some unplanned mishap, but I don’t miss the mishaps.

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I have been travelling solo for seven decades and still do. I also take guided, multi-day tours. It works best if the tour has a theme so everyone is interested in the same things. In my case, it is the history of WW1 and WW2. All the companions share their knowledge and experiences. Unfortunately there is still no magic potion (or maybe a leash) to get fanatic shutterbugs back on the bus. Otherwise, I have been enriched by these expeditions while still happy to pull into London or Paris on my own.

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Seven decades of solo travel? I am having a little trouble wrapping my mind around the idea of a toddler heading off to Europe on an airplane alone. 😁

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Stan, nice perspective.

I spoke to a friend and his wife, Mary, who still have kids that travel with them, and they are solely independent travelers due to the cost of guided tours. Apparently Mary does all of the work and everyone else just tags along. I'll admit I was impressed at how cheaply they can do their trips relative to a tour. They do splurge on one or two meals in a nice restaurant.

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As always, it depends. My husband and I have traveled independently to Europe many times, trips I’ve researched (retired journalist) and planned, A few years ago, we hired a local driver for a day trip out of Florence — asked him to take us to his favorite little towns, not the usual suspects — and had one of our best travel days ever. More recently, we hired a fabulous young guide in Venice and felt his local knowledge and training to become licensed greatly enriched our experience. In Lucca, we spent an engaging afternoon with a guide I’d met on a RS tour and saw and understood parts of the city we’d not have found on our own. (See below.)

Last year, I had a greater appetite for travel than my husband and signed up for the RS Village Italy tour with some trepidation. Ultimately I enjoyed being a passenger rather than a driver, if you get my drift. Our guide was fantastic— smart, funny, patient — and the tour included experiences I’d never have imagined or been able to arrange without difficulty. For example, a trek to a marble quarry in Carrara that included a harrowing ride on narrow, twisty roads. The people on tour were experienced travelers and congenial companions.

We have a similar scenario for this year — an independent trip to Scandinavia in late June — and a solo trip for me on the RS South Italy tour in mid-April. It, interestingly, has a lot of free time: two full days and several afternoons and evenings, so I’m having fun deciding how to use those opportunities.

Local guides, the good ones anyway, are usually very willing to create custom experiences and love to share their cities. I’d encourage you to give that a try. If Venice or Lucca are in your plans, I’m happy to refer you to the guides we used.

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I’ve only ever taken one tour - and that was almost 15 yrs ago , when my daughter was 11 I took her in a RS Family tour ! I had been travelling independently for almost 20 yrs then but knew travelling alone with a child and hitting all the highlights would be a lot more work / plus I knew my daughter would enjoy the social aspect of other kids on tour ( she really did ! )

There are horrible tours and good tours and the Rs family tour was very very good

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I frequently plan trips for my "framily" group, which can range from four to 17 of us. We always travel independently as opposed to organized tours. That said, and sometimes to my surprise, my group's favorite travel memories usually involve guided tours or demonstrations, spending time with knowledgeable local folks who share experiences we probably would never have discovered to such a depth on our own.

A sheepdog demonstration at a farm in the Borders south of Edinburgh, hiking in the Scottish highlands with a park ranger, docent-guided tours of Sir Walter Scott's Abbotsford and the Necropolis in Glasgow, a Greek folk dancing show in a park in Athens, a fundraiser tour of fabulous oceanside homes in Puerto Vallarta, a visit to Doris Duke's home in Honolulu, a mini-bus tour of Stonehenge/Avebury/crop circles, a taxi tour around the island of Madeira, a guided walk through a Dominican village that included visiting an elementary school.

The closest we've come to a fully-arranged tour was in 2015, when eight of us spent five days on the Camino de Santiago, a "self-guided" walk with a local company that put together accommodations in lovely small B&Bs, meals, walking booklet and any help needed along the way, all for an incredibly reasonable price. We enjoyed it so much that my husband and I did a similar "self-guided" walk in Portugal's Douro Valley the next year.

I guess my long answer to your query is similar to many others here: we like a mix! We've found that working with local guides for particular sites or experiences has really enriched our independent travel. Perhaps as we get older a fully-guided tour will be more attractive. If that happens, I'm sure Rick's tours will be our first choice!

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I like both but my husband doesn't like most guided tours. He did like Rabbies and Gate One in Spain but not the one in the Balkans. He doesn't like being told what to do or listening to a tour director's political views. For me, I like seeing things/going places on a guided tour that I would not have thought of doing on my own(like a bull farm in Spain) I like being transported around instead of figuring out my own transportation. I like the efficiency of guided tours in seeing lots of places in a short period of time, but also don't like the short stays in many places.

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For many independent travelers, there may be a day coming when guided tours are easier for them to manage. Guided tours area still for people who can climb up steps, and their itineraries often require a lot of walking.

My wife has had extensive back surgery, and we don't how far she's going to be able to walk in the future. With an electric personal scooter, we were in Europe twice last year without any assistance. We are limited to hotels with elevators presently, and I sometimes have to manhandle the 48 pound scooter over curbs, onto buses and trains, etc.

When it's time for us to quit traveling, we'll be satisfied because we've visited all major European cities more than once. But for those that walk better than my wife, guided travel tours may be the way to go.